Mississippi State: A History Lesson

[Dannygator1989]

For those having bizarre panic attacks and desperately in need of perspective, here’s some perspective.

Mississippi State has one SEC Title

1941

They have won the division just once

1998

They’ve finished the season ranked in the AP just 13 times

1940
1941
1942
1957
1974
1976
1980
1992
1994
2000
2010 Mullen
2014 Mullen

And only finished ranked in the coaches poll 7 times

1963
1992
1994
2000
2010
2014

They’ve been to a total of 20 bowl games in their entire history.

1936
1940 WIN
1963 WIN
1974 WIN
1980
1981 WIN
1991
1992
1994
1998
1999 WIN
2000 WIN
2007 WIN
2010 WIN Mullen
2011 WIN Mullen
2012
2013 WIN Mullen
2014 Orange Bowl (third major bowl game in program history, and first since 1941)
2015 WIN Mullen
2016 WIN Mullen


They’re 10 win season in 2014 was only the third in school history.

2014
1998
1941

I’m the last 60 years of football, they have a total of 23 winning seasons.

1960s

1 winning season

Decade Total: 31-63-5

1970s

4 winning seasons

Decade Total: 54-54-3

1980s

3 winning seasons

Decade Total: 51-62

1990s

6 winning seasons

Decade Total: 58-51

2000-2008

2 winning seasons

9 year Total: 37-69

2009-Present (The Mullen Years)

7 winning seasons

9 year Total: 69-46


Btw, he’ll have gotten his team to an 8th straight bowl game.

That means that’s Dan Mullen is responsible for literally over 1/3rd of their bowl appearances in program history.




Just food for thought.


Btw, in that same that time period, Florida has gone 73-42.

That includes Tebow’s final season at 13-1 in 2009.

Take that away and we’re a whopping 60-41 post Tebow.


Again. Perspective.

 

[Michi-Gator]

And this from a guy who doesn’t love the hire in Danny.

Just pointing out how ridiculous these numbers are that you are throwing around

 

[Gator Fever]

Previous bad hires never justify a bad hire especially at a place with 2 recent national championships.

 

[Michi-Gator]

me thinks Numbers is going to disappear, at least I hope so.

And I love that guy, but its best for him if his account is gone

 

[Dannygator1989]

me thinks Numbers is going to disappear, at least I hope so.

And I love that guy, but its best for him if his account is gone

He loves Mullen.

He worked for the guy.

This is literally his dream scenario because it gives him a shot at getting to Gainesville.

 

[Countygator]

Fine if you dont like the hire, but dont dislike it because of his miss st record. He took a loser and made them respectable in the toughest division in football.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Previous bad hires never justify a bad hire especially at a place with 2 recent national championships.

That’s your response?

Seriously, how old are you?

 

[Michi-Gator]

He loves Mullen.

He worked for the guy.

This is literally his dream scenario because it gives him a shot at getting to Gainesville.

That was my underlying point. I am pulling for him

 

[Michi-Gator]

Fine if you dont like the hire, but dont dislike it because of his miss st record. He took a loser and made them respectable in the toughest division in football.

Its ALL I ask of them. Choose real flaws to critique, not stats used completely out of context

 

[Zoni_Gator]

So you're saying Mullen took over a program with a history of losing and turned them into a perennial average team with a losing conference record? Yippee. There are plenty of coaches that turn losing programs into winners, actual winners who win their conferences and meaningful bowl games. Dan Mullen is not that guy. Guys like Art Briles, Paterson, Peterson, those guys achieved something, not Dan Mullen.

Mullen's winning formula is to stack up 4 OOC cupcakes so he banks 4 wins, then hope to win half of his conference games, which he usually doesn't. Then if he wins a meaningless Bowl game, he's got his 8 victories. I'd rather take a chance on a guy with potential than a proven underachiever like Mullen. He's our version of Mark Richt. He'll win enough to keep his job but never bring any titles to UF.

 

[Gator Fever]

That’s your response?

Seriously, how old are you?

How old are you just saying this is a joke hire with his results. The guy just beat other mediocre teams for the most part. Heck he has like the worst mutual top 25 record in history.

 

[Dannygator1989]

So you're saying Mullen took over a program with a history of losing and turned them into a perennial average team with a losing conference record. Yippee. there are plenty of coaches that turn losing programs into winners, actual winners who win their conferences and meaningful bowl games. Dan Mullen is not that guy. Guys like Art Briles, Paterson, Peterson, those guys achieved something, not Dan Mullen.

Mullen's winning formula is to stack up 4 OOC cupcakes so he banks 4 wins, those hope to win half of his conference games, which he usually doesn't. Then if he wins a meaningless Bowl game, he's got his 8 victories. I'd rather take a chance on a guy with potential than a proven underachiever like Mullen. He's our version of Mark Richt. He'll win enough to keep his job but never bring any titles to UF.

You seriously can’t do any critical thinking?

Is it that difficult for you?

 

[Dannygator1989]

How old are you just saying this is a joke hire with his results.

Obviously you can’t do any critical thinking either.

What a surprise.

 

[Gator Fever]

So you're saying Mullen took over a program with a history of losing and turned them into a perennial average team with a losing conference record? Yippee. There are plenty of coaches that turn losing programs into winners, actual winners who win their conferences and meaningful bowl games. Dan Mullen is not that guy. Guys like Art Briles, Paterson, Peterson, those guys achieved something, not Dan Mullen.

Mullen's winning formula is to stack up 4 OOC cupcakes so he banks 4 wins, then hope to win half of his conference games, which he usually doesn't. Then if he wins a meaningless Bowl game, he's got his 8 victories. I'd rather take a chance on a guy with potential than a proven underachiever like Mullen. He's our version of Mark Richt. He'll win enough to keep his job but never bring any titles to UF.

Yep and his recruits weren't as terrible as people claim either.

 

[Gator Fever]

I like Danny's comments on others. If I remember right he pulled the same snarky crap when a bunch of us were first saying Mac needed to go and maybe even with Muschamp also.

 

[Zoni_Gator]

You seriously can’t do any critical thinking?

Is it that difficult for you?

Not an argument. Try harder.

 

[Countygator]

So you're saying Mullen took over a program with a history of losing and turned them into a perennial average team with a losing conference record? Yippee. There are plenty of coaches that turn losing programs into winners, actual winners who win their conferences and meaningful bowl games. Dan Mullen is not that guy. Guys like Art Briles, Paterson, Peterson, those guys achieved something, not Dan Mullen.

Mullen's winning formula is to stack up 4 OOC cupcakes so he banks 4 wins, then hope to win half of his conference games, which he usually doesn't. Then if he wins a meaningless Bowl game, he's got his 8 victories. I'd rather take a chance on a guy with potential than a proven underachiever like Mullen. He's our version of Mark Richt. He'll win enough to keep his job but never bring any titles to UF.

None of them did it playing in the sec west that produced 5 national champs, has lsu and TAM, and an ole miss team that was really good under freeze, during his 9 years. We need someone to stabilize the program, just like he did at state

 

[Dannygator1989]

I like Danny's comments on others. If I remember right he pulled the same snarky crap when a bunch of us were first saying Mac needed to go and maybe even with Muschamp also.

Yeah and it was evident that they needed to go, and I agreed.

But apparently the cool thing these days is to automatically decide the next coach is a nightmare so you can bitch about it for a few years and hope that when they get fired you can brag to everyone how smart you are.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Not an argument. Try harder.

Coming from you?

Lol go ahead and look through the original post and try to come up with something other than “so what? He sucks because a real coach would have done even more at the same time.”

I already did my end.

And I’m not even excited about the hire. Made that clear from the moment his name was even mentioned as a replacement weeks ago.

But to prance around the way you are is embarrassing.

 

[oozie7]

Thank you! People are incapable of putting shit into context when judging coaches. And I'm not just saying that because he's coming here either, he wasn't my first choice.

 

[Dannygator1989]

He’s by far produced the best results of any coach at that program in at least 60 years, and perhaps its entire history.

But because he didn’t Beat Saban, Miles, Malzahn, Sumlin, Freeze etc every season, the guy is a bum coach?

That’s just straight up emotion speaking.

No logic to it.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I like Danny's comments on others. If I remember right he pulled the same snarky crap when a bunch of us were first saying Mac needed to go and maybe even with Muschamp also.

Ok. You are just throwing crap and hoping it sticks. Have you ever had these conversations at septh with him. Everything and anything he will tell you about Muschamp and his positives is spot-on.

And he tried to give Mac the benefit of the doubt. He got off the wagon pretty quickly.

Danny and I disagree frequently. But I promise you, he doesn’t let emotion dictate what he types. He probably is as blah about Mullen as anyone. But he isn’t going to pick stats out of context to support that.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Thank you! People are incapable of putting shit into context when judging coaches. And I'm not just saying that because he's coming here either, he wasn't my first choice.

Its like me saying Norvell doesn’t play D. I knew damn well no one in that conference does, just tried getting away with one til Danny caught me. But I fear these guys really believe a record at MSU is comparable to a record at Bama or LSU

 

[oozie7]

And its funny to see people use arguments like "oh he just padded his OOC schedule with 4 cupcakes" to downplay his record while simultaneously going apeshit arguing in favor of coaches who play 7-8 cupcakes a year. Wtf do you consider the teams in the AAC conference? Juggernauts? Mississippi State would beat the breaks off them too.

 

[Countygator]

Here is some perspective, not counting this season since its not over, but during his first 8 seasons his division produced 5 national champs and a runner up. And very possible his division may put 2 teams into the playoffs this year. He brought state from the bottom during the most difficult time to do it. The west has never been better than it has during his tenure at state

 

[ohsfan28]

Here is all you need to know about State:

Their fans are thrilled to win 7 or 8 games even against an incredibly easy schedule

 

[Dannygator1989]

Ok. You are just throwing crap and hoping it sticks. Have you ever had these conversations at septh with him. Everything and anything he will tell you about Muschamp and his positives is spot-on.

And he tried to give Mac the benefit of the doubt. He got off the wagon pretty quickly.

Danny and I disagree frequently. But I promise you, he doesn’t let emotion dictate what he types. He probably is as blah about Mullen as anyone. But he isn’t going to pick stats out of context to support that.

I get why people react so emotionally to this stuff, but have a little common sense.

I’m actually pretty surprised at the scathing reaction, but so far it’s really just from two people, and they’ve been acting this way for a while.

 

[kb851]

Those numbers are real.

And at least should add perspective.

Ease the hating.

 

[ohsfan28]

So you're saying Mullen took over a program with a history of losing and turned them into a perennial average team with a losing conference record? Yippee. There are plenty of coaches that turn losing programs into winners, actual winners who win their conferences and meaningful bowl games. Dan Mullen is not that guy. Guys like Art Briles, Paterson, Peterson, those guys achieved something, not Dan Mullen.

Mullen's winning formula is to stack up 4 OOC cupcakes so he banks 4 wins, then hope to win half of his conference games, which he usually doesn't. Then if he wins a meaningless Bowl game, he's got his 8 victories. I'd rather take a chance on a guy with potential than a proven underachiever like Mullen. He's our version of Mark Richt. He'll win enough to keep his job but never bring any titles to UF.

State is the worst job in the west and I don't think it is even close

 

[Dannygator1989]

Mississippi State is ranked 10th in defense this year.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Mississippi State is ranked 10th in defense this year.

So a top 50 offense and a top 10 D. Horrible.

BTW Danny, seems Corral likes the hire

 

[Dannygator1989]

So a top 50 offense and a top 10 D. Horrible.

BTW Danny, seems Corral likes the hire

Where do we see that?

 

[Zoni_Gator]

Coming from you?

Lol go ahead and look through the original post and try to come up with something other than “so what? He sucks because a real coach would have done even more at the same time.”

I already did my end.

And I’m not even excited about the hire. Made that clear from the moment his name was even mentioned as a replacement weeks ago.

But to prance around the way you are is embarrassing.

You have an avatar of pedophile and you're lecturing me about embarrassing myself? Irony much?

 

[Michi-Gator]

Where do we see that?

Twitter. Trying to re-hook Copeland. It appears he is on board with Mullen. If he is an EE under Mullen kid could be ready to go by September!!!

 

[Dannygator1989]

You have an avatar of pedophile and you're lecturing me about embarrassing myself? Irony much?

Oh good lord.

Yeah, Kevin Spacey embarrassing himself 30 years ago is the same thing as you literally embarrassing yourself right now.

I guess I’m just jaded after 12 years of doing this, but I expect more out of these kind of arguments.

 

[wholt1]

I'm all about giving the guy some leeway here.

This may be taxing for some, but think back to the offense in the Urban years. When we issued regular beatdowns, who was the OC again?

Don't boil the tar and pluck the chickens until you have a just reason.

 

[PacoGator19]

Here is all you need to know about State:

Their fans are thrilled to win 7 or 8 games even against an incredibly easy schedule

First part is right, but when you play Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss and Arkansas every year that doesn't translate into an "incredibly easy" schedule