Might be a bit premature to write off America's best ever President
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Nothing funnier than today's conservatives quoting a guy they would call a RINO and kick out of the party now
False. But, sad to say, Ronald Reagan ain't walking through that door to run in 24.
Love that man...and I'd punch myself in the face if it meant the 1984 version of him could run in 2024.
Hussein and his husband are THE biggest racists...and THEY are responsible for the level of racism in our Country today. They made EVERY democrat become more racist.
Another former democrat. Like Trump, both saw how evil the democratic party was, and they couldn't bare to be a part of it any longer.
Real Americans don't support commies.
How many times have I posted this EXACT same thing? And it is not just SOME of the democrats..it is EVERY democrat. They are not even CLOSE to being Americans. They do not get to call themselves that.
If true, remember that when you watch today's House republicans in action
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/02/reagans-legacy-of-constructive-bipartisanship-072468
The current debate among former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and others could not stand in greater contrast with this shared legacy of constructive bipartisanship.
Take Reagan’s example. Confronted with mounting deficits, he agreed to deficit-reduction measures that cut spending and raised revenue in tandem.
Now, questioned about rising deficits, all the GOP presidential candidates reject Reagan’s approach. They pledge, instead, absolute fealty to the tea party dogma, which opposes any measures that would raise revenue to cut the deficit. In what may be this year’s defining moment, each rejected the idea of $10 in spending cuts for every $1 in new revenue.
Reagan decried the notion that members of Congress would “bring the government to the edge of default” to force the president to accept their approach to deficit reduction. “This brinksmanship,” Reagan said, “threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits,” along with America’s “well-earned reputation for reliability and credibility — two things that set us apart from much of the world.”
This year’s Republican presidential candidates have, without exception, refused to criticize the brinksmanship of House tea party leaders — several of whom talked of not just pushing the nation to the edge of default, but well the cliff rather than compromise with President Barack Obama.
Notice there have been 3 presidents in the last 60 years who spoke out against the corruption in DC, and who have said they were going to give power BACK to WE THE PEOPLE:
1 - JFK, and they killed him
2 - Reagan, and they tried to kill him
3 - Trump, and they have tried to destroy his life and that of his family
Dots connect themselves.
I don't know about "the biggest racist" qualifier but he and Holder certainly seemed to love to sew racial strife and discontent. Which makes sense if you want to damage/destroy our society...and I believe that they both did.
Reagan was absolutely masterful with compromise and with getting the other side to work with him.
No doubt about it.
Mitt is no Reagan to be clear. He's a different sort all together. At best he is Joe Manchin.
Also, why don't you hold the American left to this same standard?
Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer, Nadler, ect would all cut their noses off to spite the right. It's an issue on both sides of the aisle.
And how does "compromise' sit with today's conservative movement?
If Reagan was willing to compromise on immigration and taxes what would his future in today's republican party look like?
He would be out...like Cheny, Boehner, or any other compromiser...he would be called a RINO
The same way it sits with the liberal left.
And anyone who isn't lockstep with the left is branded a racist, homophobe, ect by the left.
I've personally been called a nazi simply because I call myself a conservative. No other statement...I simply identified as a conservative. That meant I was a nazi. Ridiculous.
This is where we are with both ends of the spectrum...and that spectrum is absolutely a circle fwiw.
Also, worth noting...I would be willing to compromise on immigration.
I would speed up the process, increase the number allowed per anum and simplify the paperwork required for immigrants to come here. No one with serious/violent criminal records.
In return, I would demand a secure border.
Our resident idiots get butt hurt that people have gotten sick and tired of playing nice in the sandbox. They howl like wounded buffaloes when Alinsky's Rules are used against them.
Marco Rubio and the Gang of Eight proposed compromise and their political careers were almost ended in 2012 by their GOP constituents
Of the 4 republicans...Flake was kicked out of the party, McCain is now seen as a RINO, and Lindsey Graham & Rubio didn't an immediate about face when the party became outraged with their compromise bill.
Unfortunately...THIS is exactly why he ran up so much debt. The commie dims would not let any military spending bills pass unless they had HUGE freebie bills attached. Reagan BEGGED for a line item veto...but of course...the commies would not stand for it. They want their free stuff, and always have
Flake and McCain absolutely made additional mistakes from a conservative standpoint. Graham is McConnell light and extremely wishy-washy based on the political whims of the moment and what serves him. And his re-election, beyond all else.
FFS, McCain voted against his own desires to spite Trump re: Obamacare.
This comment was made in response to whether or not Reagan would be kicked out of the current day republican party.
So you're agreeing that Reagan would not be able to survive in the current day conservative movement?
Kicked out of the republican party for being moderates
Eric Cantor
John Boehner
Tim Ryan
Jeff Flake
Liz Cheny
Adam Kinzinger
We're talking about Reagan & the GOP response...
Political leaders and "their" party.... not yours or anyone else's personal experience with the opposition party
Actually you've begun discussing a very different topic than the comment I made
I'm speaking of Reagan and current day conservatives likely response to his style of politics
You seem to be speaking of the polarization between competing parties
Line item veto is a double-edged sword and would just as often be used against us.
It also creates imbalance between the 3 branches of government, taking it from the legislative and giving it to the executive. That's great when we have Reagan in the Oval...less great when you have Obama.
Isn't this all basically an explanation of why conservatives kick compromisers out of the party?
They'll even tolerate the wishy washy so long as they fall in line ultimately
but actually compromising...get primaried by the right. Bye Bye.
That was the point I was making
No I believe Reagan would lead the Conservatives and the Republican party. The party itself would be different and less erratic.
That doesn't make this statement untrue.
And they weren't kicked out for being moderates. That's a narrative.
I absolutely am. I believe that this is what is driving the other. Of course it is, right?
No, I don't believe so. Dissent here or there is one thing. Working against the party almost entirely is something else altogether.
Rubio dissented on an issue, maybe two? He's still a power in the party. Flake, Cheney and McCain are not similar to Rubio in that respect.
You can believe that but there's little evidence of any "compromiser" surviving in the party of censure and primary challenges
As I've said you can believe that....no evidence in reality of that being true
What does the term RINO mean then if not a conservative wing branding of moderate "compromisers"?
So how would Regan survive in that dynamic?
He would be called a RINO and voted out
Who are the "moderate" leaders in the GOP right now?
It literally means a Republican in Name Only. A person who calls himself one thing but his actions define him as something else.
A single issue or a vast minority of your positions dissenting from the party doesn't make one a RINO.
The way that conservatives call anyone a RINO kinda belies your claim
Liz Cheney has been called a RINO by every conservative...censured...stripped of party leadership position...primaried out of office
Care to go over her record and show how much she voted with trump
She was ousted out of the party on a single issue...the Jan 6 coup
No-name campaigned on repealing husseincare, then came FROM THE HOSPITAL at 3am IN THE MORNING to make sure he was the deciding vote that killed repealing it.
He literally lied to the Arizona voters, just to get a dig in on Trump.
As I said, most pubs are really democrats running as pubs. Case in point...
It didn't take malone long to call someone a RINO....
Reagan would suffer the same fate if he was alive today
Reagan would suffer the same fate if he was alive today
BTW, you managed to completely steer this conversation away from the left which does exactly what you're accusing the right of doing.
On the right, if you compromise, you run the risk of being labeled a RINO.
On the left, if you compromise, you run the risk of being labeled a nazi or some other hate-filled moniker.
It seems to me that if one is looking for actual compromise, as opposed to just trying to get their way, one would be looking for compromise from both parties. And as I pointed out, we've spent a lot of time reviewing the term RINO.
Would the Democrats accept JFK if he was unwilling to call a person with a penis and testicles a woman?...with a straight face I mean???
How would JFK feel about the 87 genders? Would the left embrace him once he reacted exactly how you and I both know he would react?
