Right. The last series was absolutely bad. But why not give credit for playing excellent for 3 quarters? Up until then he was 15-22 for 231 with 2 TD's. This having not thrown a pass in a game in weeks. What did y'all expect? If anyone told you pre game that's what he would have put up you'd take it and say without a doubt we likely win that game. The blame for this loss lies elsewhere. Namely the defense and that completely ridiculous fake FG.
LSU Game Thread
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Well good freaking game but somebody had to lose. BUT somebody tell the UF STAFF that Les Miles loves to fake punts and fgs!!!!!
Defensively Florida has to play better come two weeks against the run and the DC needs to call some pass blitz because there was NOT one , I say it again, not ONE blitz called in this game and LSU's Harris had all day to pass. But, LSU only brings four players and our Harris had to scramble 98% of the plays. Last OLine Sharpe best get better next year because as of right now he is worthless.
Defensively Florida has to play better come two weeks against the run and the DC needs to call some pass blitz because there was NOT one , I say it again, not ONE blitz called in this game and LSU's Harris had all day to pass. But, LSU only brings four players and our Harris had to scramble 98% of the plays. Last OLine Sharpe best get better next year because as of right now he is worthless.
This loss is square on the backs of the defense. I'm shocked we tied it up. The asshatter fake field goal was ridiculous. Mac apparently isn't familiar with the Leshole playbook.
I think everybody knows that UF is in control of the EAST and they are going to beat UGA all over the field, period. If we can get to Atlanta and if we can play LSU again I think it will be a different game. Its not over folks...
Gators will win out until the SEC championship game. Treon needs to work on his game management and situational awareness. Nothing to hang our heads about tonight though.
Something seemed out of place in the first half. Almost like the whole plan was around Fournette. Seemed like we could not make an adjustment.
We got whipped bad in the trenches. It surprised me that our defense didn't play better, but LSU's offensive and defensive lines are just bigger, faster and meaner than ours. We got no pressure on their QB & missed a lot of tackles. But they got great push up front on almost every play. And our O-line just is not good enough to compete at the highest level yet. Treon's height is a little bit of a problem and the last 2 or 3 possessions he wasn't very good. But he was running for his life all night and overall I thought he played well. I was proud of the way our guys hung in their and played their hearts out. But LSU is simply a better team
Bama is the best team in the SEC. You can beat them if they lose the TO margin by 5 but that isn't going to happen too often.
I'm just going the psychological route on this one. Mac knows Saban and his quirks a bit I'm sure.
Danny just needs to turn to ABC. He will feel so much better watching his favorite coach (Urb) drubbing his second favorite coach (Franklin)
Treon needs to learn not to throw off his back foot and stay his ass in the pocket. Those happy feet of his.. I can't even.
Excellent? That's your word?
He was slow with his mind and throws all night. (exhibit a - McGee TD pass that made it 7-0). Calloway running open many times only to be missed...Treon played well enough to win but let's not confuse that with playing so well that we should have won. He struggled. He has a slow mind and a slow arm and those qualities aren't often overcome in environments, against teams like we played tonight.
What else would you use to describe it given the circumstances? He hadn't thrown a pass in a game in a month. And he most certainly hadn't gotten as many reps as he was to start the season once Grier took over the job full time. Why was anybody expecting a crisp offense or for him to not be off on a throw here or there or be late on a throw here or there? It logically makes no sense. Again, the guy had not thrown a pass in a live game in over a month.
And despite that he was 15-22 late into the 4th. He threw for 271 yards. Our offense basically doubled its output from the previous two road games combined where we did absolutely nothing on offense. All things considered, yes that was excellent. In a vacuum the performance wouldn't be that great otherwise, but context matters. Our offense was dreadful the previous two outings on the road with all types of issues throwing and I don't recall anybody being as critical of those performances. Why is that?
Disappointed in the D tonight. This loss is on their back. I expected an offensive struggle but our D let us down. In the end LSU owned us but we may end up playing them again but was anyone other than the UF coaches surprised by the opponents field conditions...,,,,,,,
Perspective. This is what we had done on the road to date:
UK:
245 total yards
2/11 on 3rd down conversions
14 points scored offensively
125 yards passing, 0 TD's and an interception
Mizzou:
337 yards
7/18 on 3rd down conversions
14 points scored offensively
208 yards passing, 0 TD's
LSU:
326 yards
6/16 on 3rd down conversions
21 points scored offensively
271 yards passing, 2 TD's
All facts. One QB gets praised, the other gets blamed. To have you guys tell it our offense was just lighting it up on the road before, even though we didn't get our first passing TD in such an environment until this game.
UK:
245 total yards
2/11 on 3rd down conversions
14 points scored offensively
125 yards passing, 0 TD's and an interception
Mizzou:
337 yards
7/18 on 3rd down conversions
14 points scored offensively
208 yards passing, 0 TD's
LSU:
326 yards
6/16 on 3rd down conversions
21 points scored offensively
271 yards passing, 2 TD's
All facts. One QB gets praised, the other gets blamed. To have you guys tell it our offense was just lighting it up on the road before, even though we didn't get our first passing TD in such an environment until this game.
Michi what do you think of Treon breaking down like he did in the FSU game last year? We win this ball game with Grier under center
but that certainly makes sense with how the Chancellor of LSU being the NCAA president getting rid of our starter two years consecutively the same week against the same team.
but that certainly makes sense with how the Chancellor of LSU being the NCAA president getting rid of our starter two years consecutively the same week against the same team.
100 of those yards were on balls thrown up for grabs and caught by Calloway. I'm not going to be critical of Treon. Not fair to him. He played hard, didn't turn the ball over and we had a chance to win in the fourth. But it was the things that he didn't do that I noticed. He didnt seem to get the ball out on time and he wasnt very good when he stayed in the pocket. Maybe that's just because he hasn't gotten the reps and playing time in game situations. But I suspect that pocket passing just isn't his strong suit. That seems to be where Grier is better. He's more decisive and has a quicker release. Who knows what would've happened had Grier played, but I sure would've liked to have had him on those last couple of drives.
Remember, the biggest complaint that we all had against Grier was holding the ball too long. Treon did it all night.
We do not win this game with Grier. Grier is undoubtedly better at this point, but our issues were practically everywhere but QB. Look at what we've done on the road to date. We fell apart offensively on the road previously, why is everybody so sure Grier was going to go into LSU and light them up? He didn't do it against UK or Mizzou. If not for our defense we lose both those games.
We ran for 1.8 yards per carry tonight on 31 attempts. Take out Treon's 55 yards and we ran for 44 yards on the night. 44 yards! As a result we were in obvious passing situations all night. Then we turn around and give up 35 points and 420+ yards on defense. If the defense is even average we win that game 21-17 ish. I don't even know why anybody is focusing on the QB right now. We got whipped on both lines of scrimmage. Couldn't block or run on offense and got gashed for over 200 on the ground and couldn't sniff their QB all game. Unless Grier was gonna play defense or block we weren't winning.
We ran for 1.8 yards per carry tonight on 31 attempts. Take out Treon's 55 yards and we ran for 44 yards on the night. 44 yards! As a result we were in obvious passing situations all night. Then we turn around and give up 35 points and 420+ yards on defense. If the defense is even average we win that game 21-17 ish. I don't even know why anybody is focusing on the QB right now. We got whipped on both lines of scrimmage. Couldn't block or run on offense and got gashed for over 200 on the ground and couldn't sniff their QB all game. Unless Grier was gonna play defense or block we weren't winning.
It's not about lighting them up, it's situational.. We would have a few different plays and scenarios where Treon hurt us, and things like the timeouts.. He lets the play clock run down and helps the defense jump the snap and get better in position pre snap which hurt us... Treons lack of other things did cost us because the game ended up being in his hands... With Grier we would have controlled the clock and situations more and it would have opened up the run game better....
on defense, as always... every major play or drive keepers are always on maye or poole, Maye's gaffe before the half was the for sure losing play of the football game and the difference. I knew we were done there and would have to play perfect to win the game in the 2nd half... we came close but at that point all it takes is one big play to still win for LSU which is what happened with the fake FG. Like I said all week, LSU ain't shit and they aren't. I have no doubt we would beat them if we played them again because none of those hilarious plays that went their way would ever happen again, especially on a neutral field. They won't be in Atlanta anyway and we will so it doesn't even matter. Bama will squash them physically up front and they play @ bama, arky, @ Ole Miss and A&M all in a row. Their season will go nowhere in the end and their defense is much worse without chavis. That's why that first half pissed me off to no end, because that team ain't worth a damn and we gave it away... but it still doesn't matter because this loss won't do anything to hurt us if we won out and everyone thought we were going to get smashed because they don't know football and now we will get more respect for taking it all the way to the end.. and with them winning from a Fake FG, people know we could have easily won that game and would probably beat them if we played again in Atlanta with our QB having more games under his belt and in the offense.
on defense, as always... every major play or drive keepers are always on maye or poole, Maye's gaffe before the half was the for sure losing play of the football game and the difference. I knew we were done there and would have to play perfect to win the game in the 2nd half... we came close but at that point all it takes is one big play to still win for LSU which is what happened with the fake FG. Like I said all week, LSU ain't shit and they aren't. I have no doubt we would beat them if we played them again because none of those hilarious plays that went their way would ever happen again, especially on a neutral field. They won't be in Atlanta anyway and we will so it doesn't even matter. Bama will squash them physically up front and they play @ bama, arky, @ Ole Miss and A&M all in a row. Their season will go nowhere in the end and their defense is much worse without chavis. That's why that first half pissed me off to no end, because that team ain't worth a damn and we gave it away... but it still doesn't matter because this loss won't do anything to hurt us if we won out and everyone thought we were going to get smashed because they don't know football and now we will get more respect for taking it all the way to the end.. and with them winning from a Fake FG, people know we could have easily won that game and would probably beat them if we played again in Atlanta with our QB having more games under his belt and in the offense.
Overall I'm not that upset because I wasn't expecting a win. I agree the offense struggled in some spots situationally, but not enough to lose is the game. And we've been having these breakdowns on the road all year too so it's somewhat expected. I'm completely down on that defense though. They're either really amazing or really bad with little in between. And what we do schematically just makes me nauseous, even when we perform well.
Oozie you're a smart guy, you played football. You are exactly right, the defense struggled in the first half......But we held them to 7 points in the second half. You also know that we failed to sustain drives because we couldn't execute the passing game. I know we couldn't run, but maybe it was because we couldn't execute those 10-20 yard throws to back the safeties and LBs out of the box. LSU knew that, and they played defense accordingly.
Maybe our defense wouldn't have struggled quite as much if we could have gotten first downs and maybe points in the first half.
Treon played great and I'm proud of him, but the game might have been different from the start if we have Grier
The DB's did things that were flat out lucky to give LSU success.. LSU's throws that were completed on those really just were lucky as hell and infuriating.. Especially that TD on Wilson, that was just pathetic and was up for grabs... and what Maye and Poole do is just expected, I bet if we looked up the % of every pass play on us or on a 3rd down converted it's probably 90% or more on them. Leaving them on the field at this point in passing situations as a coach you are getting what you deserve. I absolutely cannot wait until they are gone, they look like they could play for Auburn though.
LSU would never match what they did tonight if we met again, hell actually nobody we will play will. Their QB was doing nothing but throwing balls up and our DB's were doing things they never do being retarded, which is the only reason it opened up the run game for balance... EVen with ALL that and us playing a back up QB. Calloway catches that ball to tie the game I have no doubt we win that game because LSU couldn't do a damn thing in that 2nd half and we were dominating. The way we should have played the whole game. That LSU team ain't s***, I knew it going in and us letting them look better than they are x 5 pisses me off beyond human acceptance.
LSU would never match what they did tonight if we met again, hell actually nobody we will play will. Their QB was doing nothing but throwing balls up and our DB's were doing things they never do being retarded, which is the only reason it opened up the run game for balance... EVen with ALL that and us playing a back up QB. Calloway catches that ball to tie the game I have no doubt we win that game because LSU couldn't do a damn thing in that 2nd half and we were dominating. The way we should have played the whole game. That LSU team ain't s***, I knew it going in and us letting them look better than they are x 5 pisses me off beyond human acceptance.
I thought Coach McElwain and his staff did an excellent job keeping our team in the game. Despite obvious shortcomings we stayed competitive to the very end. Last year we would have folded by half-time. Coaching made this game competitive. McElwain does an outstanding job of getting the most out of each player.
There were a lot of things about the game that were very disappointing for sure. But we have to look at the big picture. This team adjusted and fought back....last year's team would have quit at half time. This is a young team, with a new coach, that went on the road to a very tough place to play, got hit in the mouth a few times, but still gave themselves a chance to win. My hopes for this season are being exceeded already, I wanted to see improvement, I wanted to see a cultural shift, and I pleased with the direction we are headed. As for Treon, yeah, no chit Grier is better, that is why he was the starter, but there isn't a dayum thing we can do about it. Harris struggled at times, but he played his azz off, and he is what he have right now, so the rest doesn't matter. Last year's team gets blown out in this game, and I am betting next year's team would have won this game easily. Moving forward Gators!
We really lost the game due to poor oline play and poor defense in the first half. I'm a huge Summers fan but at the end of the day you can only max out at some point. He's done miracles with the oline unforunately even with that we can't run block. That is going to be a struggle all year. We knew that before the season started so this should be of no surprise. It's hard for a QB to be successful against a quality opponent on the road when you have ZERO running game. I agree Harris played well for 3 quarters.
As for Harris I've documented my concerns with him as well. So not going to go into that any longer. He played pretty well tonight all things considered but let's be honest he is limited and the playbook does have to be cut back for him to be successful. I think we can still win some games with Harris. I don't think we can ever win a SEC title with Harris. That is just my opinion.
Kelvin Taylor is running well and probably the best I've ever seen him run. There's just nowhere for him to go.
As for Harris I've documented my concerns with him as well. So not going to go into that any longer. He played pretty well tonight all things considered but let's be honest he is limited and the playbook does have to be cut back for him to be successful. I think we can still win some games with Harris. I don't think we can ever win a SEC title with Harris. That is just my opinion.
Kelvin Taylor is running well and probably the best I've ever seen him run. There's just nowhere for him to go.
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Well I think LSU's plan was to stuff the run and make us pass, which is what they should have done. I don't think a lack of passing is why we couldn't run though. They showed a stat during the game where Harris was 5/5 for 49 yards vs. the blitz. We also threw on first down quite a bit and had success there. Throughout the game they were only keeping 6 in the box to defend against the pass and we still couldn't run block, they just owned us up front. And the lack of running made our offense predictable and put them in obvious passing situations all night. I think I saw where our average down to go on 3rd was something like 6 yards. All things considered, we moved the ball well in spite of the o-line play. The QB has to get some credit for that and if you had told me we'd have to throw 32 times going in i'd have guessed we got blow out. Despite his numbers Taylor played his ass off too. Ran hard, fought for the extra yard, and pass protected beautifully.
The only thing I would try to see if we can get some running yards is try a few sweeps or outside runs with Scarlett. Have Taylor work the middle and Scarlett and Powell work the outside just enough to keep defenses honest.
A huge bright spot and something that is great for the future is Callaway. That kid is really good. He does it all. He even blocks like a beast.
A huge bright spot and something that is great for the future is Callaway. That kid is really good. He does it all. He even blocks like a beast.
