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Kirby Smart acting like an ass

MJWilliamson

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From GTP: L’affair Turman takes a new turn.


Remember how Kirby somberly assured us at last week’s presser that Turman didn’t seek an appeal because he wasn’t being prevented from going anywhere he really wanted to go?

Er, nope.

Turman, speaking on Monday, confirmed one thing Smart said in his press conference on Saturday: He had no interest in following head coach Mark Richt and running backs coach Thomas Brown to Miami. Smart said he put the Miami restriction in Turman’s release because he “wanted to set a precedent.”


However, Turman did say he would have been interested in exploring a transfer to Florida.

“But I know that’s a rivalry for Georgia, so that’s why he did that,” Turman said of Smart’s decision. “But I also wanted to be able to contact any schools outside of Florida. I didn’t want this blowing up into a big deal, because I love Georgia. .. I didn’t want this to become such a big deal, like it did. But that’s just how it went.”​


Turman also said he filed an appeal after Smart initially denied him a release anywhere. That appeal went through UGA, as allowed under NCAA rules. (That led to a miscommunication, where Turman believed he was filing an appeal with the NCAA.) Either way, it was made a moot point when Smart relented and allowed Turman the limited release.

Not even close.

“I got denied my transfer twice when I talked to him and met with him,” Turman said Monday. “He said he’s not going to let anybody from the University of Georgia transfer because you made a commitment here. Even though he didn’t recruit us, he said he would not let anybody transfer from the University of Georgia.”​


I have to say, coming from a guy who left Alabama and took two assistants under contract there with him, “he’s not going to let anybody from the University of Georgia transfer because you made a commitment here” is straight out of the how to be a controlling bastard playbook. And looking the assembled multitudes in the eye and assuring everyone of something that wasn’t in fact true isn’t very cool, either.

Not only that, but Smart and Turman have apparently agreed upon a new deal that isn’t what Kirby claimed he was granting when he went on the record about this – which, by the way, appears to have been widely misunderstood by everyone.

The release granted last week only gave Turman the chance to transfer to a school in Florida, other than Miami or Florida. The new release will allow Turman to go to schools outside of Florida – other than Georgia Tech or SEC schools.

In other words, the original deal wasn’t that Turman could go anywhere but two places. It was that he couldn’t go anywhere outside the state of Florida. That’s beyond ridiculous. What’s in place now isn’t great, but at least it’s not as obnoxious. But I guess we now know what “case by case” means, as Smart will haggle over terms with every departing player. Maybe he’ll require them to sign confidentiality agreements in return for being allowed to go. (I think I’m kidding about that.)

If this is the transfer culture Greg McGarity’s on board with now, it’s not a good look for him, Smart or the school. If Kirby was worried about kids leaving and bad mouthing the program on the recruiting trail, it seems to me with this he’s created his own problems there. Disappointing, to say the least.
 
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This is why I hate transfer rules. Like I've been saying for what seems like forever, half the time when guys 'transfer' they're really being cut because they're not going to contribute. But then those same coaches cutting players get to restrict where they player goes. The same player they think isn't good enough to play for them.

Now I don't know the reason behind Turman'a transfer but this whole thing just kinda shows how petty a lot of coaches are. LMFAO@ them talking about commitment when they jump from job to job usually lying to multiple people in the process. What a joke. I guess Smart won't recruit committed players in the future either. You know, since he'd be encouraging that player to break his commitment. Somehow I doubt it.
 
Former players always have a problem with transfer rules.

Players also demand to be paid.

People also love Bernie Sanders.

This all seems pretty reasonable to me. At some point, systemic hypocrisy and fraud become so overt that people are going to notice it and get pissed about it.
 
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Former players always have a problem with transfer rules.

Players also demand to be paid.

People also love Bernie Sanders.

Players have an issue with hypocrisy. And only a few want to get paid.

I'm sure you've seen me argue on here plenty of times that I think coaches should be able to cut players, at least publicly. They already do it...that's what most transfers are. Which is why I think players should be able to transfer wherever. Where is the logic? It's like dumping a chick and then telling her who she can and can't date. That's what most 'transfers' and their restrictions are.

And the only counter points are always stupid shit like 'commitment' and other ridiculous arguments like them taking knowledge of plays, systems, etc to rival teams. If the player was that smart that he could remember the exact responsibilities of every player for hundreds and sometimes thousands of plays, then why the hell wasn't the coach playing him? Clearly the player transferring is a football savant.
 
You'd rather have Mac than Smart? Smart seems like he can recruit like a banshee, I'd make the trade.

Agreed about the recruiting edge to Smart. We will find out if game day coaching/preparation equals his recruiting prowess. If so, UGA will be a force to be reckoned with under Smart.
 
You'd rather have Mac than Smart? Smart seems like he can recruit like a banshee, I'd make the trade.
Hell yeah I'd rather have Mac than Smart. In case you haven't noticed Defensive minded head coaches haven't done well at all under UF. First time head coaches also haven't done well at UF. That really wasn't one of your smarter comments considering the above.

As far as I'm concerned Smart is just another Muschamp or Zook until he proves otherwise.
 
Isn't that what Saban is?
It's never worked at UF. What works for one school may not work for another. Also Smart, Muschamp or Zook aren't anywhere close to Saban. Saban had also already been a head coach at Michigan St., LSU and the Miami Dolphins before becoming the head coach at Bama.
 
Dantonio, Bielima, Pete Carroll, Narduzzi, the Stoops' brothers, etc. I will say, though, I prefer an offensive minded head coach e.g.Bowden and Fisher and hire some great defensive assistants.
D'antonio and Narduzzi haven't won jack squat and the only good Stoops brother is Bob. Bielema?? Really? That guy is a clown and an average coach at best. Petrino did much better at Arkansas than Bielema ever did or will do.

Saban is the only defensive minded coach to win any national championships lately. All the other coaches have been offensive coaches. Urban Meyer, Fisher, Malzahn, Miles, etc.
 
Hell yeah I'd rather have Mac than Smart. In case you haven't noticed Defensive minded head coaches haven't done well at all under UF.
I thought Charlie Pell's teams were pretty strong. That 1984 team was one of the toughest teams we ever played. Certainly, the defenses on those early 80's football teams were the best...including your championship teams.
 
D'antonio and Narduzzi haven't won jack squat and the only good Stoops brother is Bob. Bielema?? Really? That guy is a clown and an average coach at best. Petrino did much better at Arkansas than Bielema ever did or will do.

Saban is the only defensive minded coach to win any national championships lately. All the other coaches have been offensive coaches. Urban Meyer, Fisher, Malzahn, Miles, etc.

I was not listing solely national championship coaches, but defensive minded coaches that have had success in FBS. I would even throw Charlie Strong's name in there for now with what he accomplished at Louisville and seems to be turning the corner after a total clean out at Texas. Saban and Carroll are certainly the most notable defensive guys who have had dominant FBS runs in the past ~ten years.

Again, I prefer an offensive minded head coach with a quality DC a la Bowden, Fisher, etc. Three our to the four head coaches in this past season's playoffs were defensive gurus, Saban, Dantonio, and Stoops. Tough to argue that it is a bad decision for UGA to hire Smart if he can recruit like a maniac and not meddle too much (see Muschamp) with a quality OC's offensive strategy.
 
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It's never worked at UF. What works for one school may not work for another. Also Smart, Muschamp or Zook aren't anywhere close to Saban. Saban had also already been a head coach at Michigan St., LSU and the Miami Dolphins before becoming the head coach at Bama.
You don't think Saban would have had great success at UF?
 
You don't think Saban would have had great success at UF?
Saban is one of the GOAT. Of course he would have some success at UF. But so did Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer. Great coaches are great no matter where they are at. There is no evidence that Smart is a good head coach yet. He certainly hasn't proven he's a better head coach than McElwain. Smart hasn't even coached a game yet as a head coach. How can you claim a coach to be better than another head coach without actually having any head coaching experience? Pretty mind boggling and illogical if you ask me.
 
Smart seems like a psycho to me, but more of the detail-oriented ultra driven type psycho as opposed to the smash your head into the wall and slobber all over yourself type, characterized by Muschamp. MCE seems a little more laid back.
 
How can you claim a coach to be better than another head coach without actually having any head coaching experience? Pretty mind boggling and illogical if you ask me.

Paco, you are being (purposefully?) obtuse. I said I would trade Mac for Smart if given the choice, not that Smart is definitively a better coach than Mac. Those statements are extremely different. I think that Mac assembled a pretty average staff and that staff doesn't seem to be very good at pulling in talent while the early returns suggest Smart is going to be a very high level recruiter. If I have to choose between Smart with a stacked roster and Mac with middle of the SEC pack roster, that's not a hard choice to make.
 
Paco, you are being (purposefully?) obtuse. I said I would trade Mac for Smart if given the choice, not that Smart is definitively a better coach than Mac. Those statements are extremely different. I think that Mac assembled a pretty average staff and that staff doesn't seem to be very good at pulling in talent while the early returns suggest Smart is going to be a very high level recruiter. If I have to choose between Smart with a stacked roster and Mac with middle of the SEC pack roster, that's not a hard choice to make.
Richt was a high level recruiter and many times had a more stacked roster than UF. What good did that do him? You make it sound as if the talent gap between UF and UGA is significant. I have news for you. It isn't a significant gap between those two teams at all. Smart is pulling in high level talent from the state of Georgia. He isn't recruiting any differently than the type of talent Richt recruited. Did you not pay attention to Richt's recruiting while at UGA?
 
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UGA and FSU always get talent and waste it, I highly doubt Smart will do anything different but offset it as well with less offense even if the defense is finally improved overall with the same recruiting that falls into these schools laps.
 
Saban is one of the GOAT. Of course he would have some success at UF. But so did Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer. Great coaches are great no matter where they are at. There is no evidence that Smart is a good head coach yet. He certainly hasn't proven he's a better head coach than McElwain. Smart hasn't even coached a game yet as a head coach. How can you claim a coach to be better than another head coach without actually having any head coaching experience? Pretty mind boggling and illogical if you ask me.
The post I was quoting involved a defensive vs offensive minded coaches. My point is that Saban is a defensive type coach and you said that hadn't worked at UF so I asked. Personally, I don't think it matters, but that was my point.
 
Richt has been at UGA for over a decade and recruited great during his whole tenure there. Now all of a sudden a new coach comes in (Smart) having never coached a game in his life and everybody is up in arms and on edge. UGA became less dangerous not more dangerous. They fired an established coach with a very good resume that was a great recruiter and hired a coach that we know nothing about yet other than he is a good recruiter. But guess what UGA has always recruited well. They even recruited well with Ray Goff and Jim Donnan.
 
Richt was a high level recruiter and many times had a more stacked roster than UF. What good did that do him? You make it sound as if the talent gap between UF and UGA is significant. I have news for you. It isn't a significant gap between those two teams at all. Smart is pulling in high level talent from the state of Georgia. He isn't recruiting any differently than the type of talent Richt recruited. Did you not pay attention to Richt's recruiting while at UGA?
Smart is taking UGa recruiting to a whole other level. I have been very impressed with what he did in a very short period of time. None of your coaches have done as well or even as close as well as Smart did in their first class. And, seemingly, every big name in the South has Uga on their list. Richt was/is a very, very good recruiter....it appears Smart is an elite recruiter.
 
UGA and FSU always get talent and waste it.

One...Jimbo wasted his talent enough to earn exactly the same number of MNCs as UF's best coach ever....Two, I could have talked to a fan of any school in the country in 1989 and Florida would have been at the top of everyone's list of perpetually wasting talent. Times change...situations change. Many UF fans would gladly be put in the "wasting talent" category about right now. It is pretty evident to most, except the most ardent UF fans, that the Gators are going to be bringing a knife to a gun fight for the foreseeable future.
 
It is pretty evident to most, except the most ardent UF fans, that the Gators are going to be bringing a knife to a gun fight for the foreseeable future.

This is where the rubber meets the road. None of Paco's irrelevant criticisms of Mark Richt changes the fact that Kirby Smart is likely to wield a superior roster to McElwain with a gap that should only widen when given more time. As to the concerns about Jimbo underachieving with a stacked roster that numbers brought up; this may be somewhat true, but no recent trends suggest that we are getting any closer to beating FSU, instead the roster talent gap is only growing in that rivalry as well.

Look, Mac seems like a nice guy, an above average gameday coach (end of last season notwithstanding), but if he can't figure out a way to recruit and goes into every season with a noticeable roster disadvantage to UT, UGA, LSU, FSU and about half of our other rotating SEC-W opponents, he is simply not going to last more than a few years.
 
It is pretty evident to most, except the most ardent UF fans, that the Gators are going to be bringing a knife to a gun fight for the foreseeable future.
Bless your little heart, what does this have to do with Kirby Smart?
 
You'd rather have Mac than Smart? Smart seems like he can recruit like a banshee, I'd make the trade.
Smart started with a top ten recruiting class. He kept it. Mac started with a #92 recruiting class. He greatly improved it. I am not sure the two are very comparable right now.
 
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One...Jimbo wasted his talent enough to earn exactly the same number of MNCs as UF's best coach ever....Two, I could have talked to a fan of any school in the country in 1989 and Florida would have been at the top of everyone's list of perpetually wasting talent. Times change...situations change. Many UF fans would gladly be put in the "wasting talent" category about right now. It is pretty evident to most, except the most ardent UF fans, that the Gators are going to be bringing a knife to a gun fight for the foreseeable future.

I love how FSU fans use winning one championship to offset all the years of wasted talent at schools like FSU and UGA. Instead of admitting what everyone knows, every season FSU was ranked highly pre season everyone literally laughed for over 8 years for a reason.. "This is FSU YEAR MAN".
 
Richt has been at UGA for over a decade and recruited great during his whole tenure there.

This isn't really true. UGA's recruiting definitely fell off during the latter stages of Richt's tenure. His 2014 and 2015 classes were really good, but by then it was too late. Georgia's 2010, 2012, and 2013 classes were all subpar.
 
I love how FSU fans use winning one championship to offset all the years of wasted talent at schools like FSU and UGA. Instead of admitting what everyone knows, every season FSU was ranked highly pre season everyone literally laughed for over 8 years for a reason.. "This is FSU YEAR MAN".

Little known fact: from 2001-2013 FSU was ranked in the preseason AP Top 5 a grand total of 2 times. Two.
 
What about the top ten and still being picked by everyone on TV TO DO IT THIS TIME.. It's certainly been a thing for years and years, and it still is.
 
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