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Is the end of the Mac era near?

MJWilliamson

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Apr 23, 2007
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Thomas GoldKamp seems to think so.

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- After a wild start to Florida-Georgia week, GatorBait.net tries to put into perspective exactly what happened and why the answer to a seemingly innocuous question on Monday caught fire the way it did.

Jim McElwain has his team 3-3 in his third season on the heels of back-to-back SEC East division titles. And yet somehow his seat is absolutely on fire.

How?

The relationship between McElwain and the higher-ups in the University Athletic Association has been strained since the early days of his tenure. And that relationship largely has failed to improved even with a new athletics director taking over last fall.

McElwain inherited a program that was lagging far behind in the college football facilities arms race. It took all of a few weeks for him to shell the administration, going public to Pat Forde in a piece for Yahoo! Sports that essentially bombed the state of the facilities and pushed for immediate upgrades.

Florida was already in the process of updating some of its facilities. An indoor practice facility was already in the works when McElwain took over. However, the plan was not for a full-length indoor practice field, and McElwain went to bat for an immediate overhaul to the plans to do it the right way. It worked.

But while McElwain was right to push for facilities overhauls and the administration really needed that healthy push at the time, his aggressive nature with the administration extended beyond just a healthy push for change.

His repeated snipes at athletics director Jeremy Foley's spending habits both on camera and off were not well received. Again, there's some level where a football coach pushing for spending for his program is healthy, but repeated shots in public were excessive and even somewhat detrimental to the program's recruiting unnecessarily.

As far back as the spring of 2015 there were several sources within the UAA that indicated to GatorBait.net that there was already a sense of "buyer's remorse" when it came to McElwain.

He simply never fit the culture at Florida, a culture of every program supporting the others and working together toward a common goal of high-level success across the board in athletics. A culture where championship-caliber coaches in many sports shared ideas about how to get their athletes to perform at the highest level.

McElwain sometimes sent staff proxies to meetings of the program's head coaches, something that rubbed many the wrong way. At one point in his first year, sources told GatorBait.net that he commandeered the soccer facilities for a practice without informing anyone.

Little things like that, demonstrating that McElwain felt he answered to no one, continued to happen to create a growing divide between the coach and others within the UAA.
Things didn't improve when Foley retired and new athletics director Scott Stricklin took over.

As Matt Hayes of Saturday Down South noted, McElwain's questioning of the administration never stopped despite a change in leadership. He openly questioned the administration's commitment during a press conference at the Outback Bowl in 2016, despite the fact that a plan for around $100 million in facility upgrades had already been announced and Stricklin was looking at ways to tweak the plan for the best long-term outcome for the football program.

Compounding the issue, McElwain is not the type to take advice from others, generally speaking. He struggles to take blame when things go wrong.

The outward signs of the rift between McElwain and the administration surfaced Monday in that oddly worded statement from the UAA about a meeting following the death threat allegations. "He provided no additional details."

The university was certainly covering itself from liability to some degree, but even so the comments caused more than a few to wonder exactly what was going on.

And McElwain did little to mend fences Wednesday when he questioned what that statement even was.

The bottom line is that the relationship between McElwain and the administration is extremely strained, and having a team on the verge of falling below .500 with no obvious solutions for the offense in Year 3 and a seeming unwillingness to change methods doesn't help. Add in a fanbase that seems ready to throw him out with the bath water and the picture isn't pretty.

The rub, of course, is that McElwain still has five years left on his contract and Florida would owe him $2.5 million per year remaining. $12.5 million and change to fire him now, if it can't find cause.

It seems clear at this point that McElwain isn't the long-term solution at Florida. He's not a good fit and he has, much through his own doing, put himself in a position where recruiting to fix the problem areas will remain a gigantic uphill climb.

Winning back the fanbase after throwing it under the bus in one fell swoop on Monday seems an even taller task.

So the real question is how Florida and McElwain part ways. Can they find an amiable solution or work a reduced buyout? Did that out-of-the-blue suggestion from Dennis Dodd about McElwain getting fed up and taking the Oregon State job have something more to it?

That remains to be seen.

But with his comments on Monday, McElwain lifted the curtain on an ugly relationship and a poor fit that has been masked by just enough winning in a bad SEC East over the last two years. The winning is gone and now the relationships are all that is left to fall back on.

And as McElwain found out Monday evening, there aren't many warm and fuzzies for him in the administration.
 
If this is the case, and I'm sure it is given that the UAA probably spoon-fed all this to Goldkamp, why in the world did we extend him?

So there you go Gators. The UAA thinks he's a jerk-off, the other coaches hate him, and it's ok to make fun of him for having man-boobs, etc...
 
The Admin and the new AD have hated him from the very beginning. Now explain the contract extension and raise that he got post Foley??? o_O --- Fake news and the usual media-morons in action.

All of Mc-staffs 2018 recruits are bailing out,,, says Michi-troll anyway,,, WRONG again.
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UA-AA #7 WR Jacob Copeland 6-0 192 4.4/40 -- He reiterated his UF commitment Thursday. “I’m still all in on the University of Florida,” Copeland told the Pensacola News Journal. “Everybody says this and that about Florida and says they are sorry this year, but that doesn't matter to me. “I just want to make an impact. I don’t want to build on to something that is already started. I want to go and make my own legacy. I’m 110 percent committed to Florida.”

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-recruiting-jacob-copeland-jersey
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In addition to Copeland, the other Florida commits in the UA-AA Game will be WR Ja’Marr Chase, TE Kyle Pitts, OG Curtis Dunlap, and OT Richard Gouraige.
So, the 2018 #7 Gator class currently has 5 UA-AA's playing offense in their post-season AA game. Nice going guys. :)

And so far, 9 of the 2018 class intend to sign as Early Enrollees:
Offensse - QB Corral, RB Clement, RB Pierce, OG Dunlap
Defense - DE Upshaw, DB Burney, DB Russell, DB Wilson, DB Williams.
Looks to me like Christmas is coming early for the Gators in 2017. ;)
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So, where are things at with the team? JMOHO's as always... :cool:
Mc seems to finally be having a year like most thought he'd have in year one and year two, while he instead won B-2-B SECe-C's.

While 2017 seems to finally be going where most thought that Mc would begin at UF, the team now looks poised to have a monster year in 2018 as they become mostly Mc's recruits next season.

IF the incoming Corral can't save him/them, then the new coach talk can then begin in earnest.
~ IF they survive the 2018 season, then 2019 will be the final make or break season.

Those that never wanted Mc hired, have been constantly calling for his firing for 3 years already. :rolleyes:
Those are the kinds of fans (imo) that should move to talleycrappy for their team, because Gator Nation certainly doesn't need them, nor their constantly negative harping. o_O
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The Good and the Bad on Mc, the way I see things:

2015 - Grier doing great, then NCAA PED suspension, back to the already failed T.Harris offense. SECe-C, Bowl loss to Mich

2016 - LDR doing great, then injured, then Appleby, back to LDR and injured again, then back to Appleby. SECe-C, Bowl win vs Iowa

2017 - Franks was 'given' the job.
Then Zaire comes in to totally STINK up the place.
Then LDR comes back, looks good but he gets injured yet again.
>>> Pretty tough to 'fix the offense' while under those extreme QB carousel conditions. :confused:

Plus the Knucklehead-9, including Callaway, Wells, Scarlett, and Telfort. jus-damn! :mad:
And then they lost a 3rd Top quality WR for the season in Robinson with a heart condition. :(
Cleveland and Toney both step up, then they go down injured,,, criminny... :eek:

So, Back to Franks with 5 WR's missing, 3 for the season... :oops:
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* The only reason I can see for continuing with Franks, is to set up Corral for the 2018 job. I said that both Trask and Allen should have bailed before the 2017 season. Now I certainly think that both should do so, IF they ever want to play QB in college.

They play Franks while leaving Trask/Allen to rot on the bench, because of Franks height (6-6) and because of his strong arm, for the down field passing game. Are they blind or stupid, or just still waiting on a miracle to happen?
20+ yds, 5 of 20 for 25% -- 10-19 yds, 7 of 15 for 46.7%.
Over 10 yds, 12 of 35 for 34.3% 2 TD's, 1 Int

~ So much for the importance of QB height and arm strength... :rolleyes:

But he's great on the 'dink & dunk junk' passing %, where his height would seem to me to be a non-factor.
55 of 66 for 83.3%, 1 TD, 2 Ints. (except for TD/Int Ratio anyway) :cool:
Overall Passing -- 67 of 101 for 66.3%, 3 TD's, 3 Ints. (stats from an SEC-Country article)
Completion % is being propped up with dink/dunk, while it's 50/50 on TD/Ints.
(excludes tap passes and throw-away's, otherwise he's 64.2%)

Franks ranks tied for 26th nationally in completion % (64.2%), tied for 48th in yds/att (7.5) and just 99th nationally in passing yds/gm (133.3). To me, they seem to be sticking with Franks to pave the way for Corral. That's well and good, except for putting the 'screw-job' to Trask & Allen. :confused:
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What the 2018 QB depth chart should look like imo:
QB-PP Corral Fr 6-2 196 - the new designated starter
QB-PP Franks rsSo 6-6 220 -- designate emergency backup

QB-DT Toney Soph 5-11 194 - Wild-Gator and/or WR/RB
QB Sproles rsSo 6-2 211 W-O
QB Ruskell rsFr 6-2 195 W-O
Where is QB Clarabelle hiding??? :rolleyes:

Grad Zaire and Grad LDR Gonzo
Trask and Allen X-fers out, or never expect to play unless Corral, Franks & Toney are all injured out first.
While nobody else playing QB needs to apply.... :cool:

PS

Hey ooozzziiieee, since you always attack those that don't agree with you, :D I expect you and those other jerks in your circle to jump right in here and set me straight on reality... ;)
 
The Admin and the new AD have hated him from the very beginning. Now explain the contract extension and raise that he got post Foley??? o_O --- Fake news and the usual media-morons in action.

All of Mc-staffs 2018 recruits are bailing out,,, says Michi-troll anyway,,, WRONG again.
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UA-AA #7 WR Jacob Copeland 6-0 192 4.4/40 -- He reiterated his UF commitment Thursday. “I’m still all in on the University of Florida,” Copeland told the Pensacola News Journal. “Everybody says this and that about Florida and says they are sorry this year, but that doesn't matter to me. “I just want to make an impact. I don’t want to build on to something that is already started. I want to go and make my own legacy. I’m 110 percent committed to Florida.”

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-recruiting-jacob-copeland-jersey
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In addition to Copeland, the other Florida commits in the UA-AA Game will be WR Ja’Marr Chase, TE Kyle Pitts, OG Curtis Dunlap, and OT Richard Gouraige.
So, the 2018 #7 Gator class currently has 5 UA-AA's playing offense in their post-season AA game. Nice going guys. :)

And so far, 9 of the 2018 class intend to sign as Early Enrollees:
Offensse - QB Corral, RB Clement, RB Pierce, OG Dunlap
Defense - DE Upshaw, DB Burney, DB Russell, DB Wilson, DB Williams.
Looks to me like Christmas is coming early for the Gators in 2017. ;)
=============

So, where are things at with the team? JMOHO's as always... :cool:
Mc seems to finally be having a year like most thought he'd have in year one and year two, while he instead won B-2-B SECe-C's.

While 2017 seems to finally be going where most thought that Mc would begin at UF, the team now looks poised to have a monster year in 2018 as they become mostly Mc's recruits next season.

IF the incoming Corral can't save him/them, then the new coach talk can then begin in earnest.
~ IF they survive the 2018 season, then 2019 will be the final make or break season.

Those that never wanted Mc hired, have been constantly calling for his firing for 3 years already. :rolleyes:
Those are the kinds of fans (imo) that should move to talleycrappy for their team, because Gator Nation certainly doesn't need them, nor their constantly negative harping. o_O
===========

The Good and the Bad on Mc, the way I see things:

2015 - Grier doing great, then NCAA PED suspension, back to the already failed T.Harris offense. SECe-C, Bowl loss to Mich

2016 - LDR doing great, then injured, then Appleby, back to LDR and injured again, then back to Appleby. SECe-C, Bowl win vs Iowa

2017 - Franks was 'given' the job.
Then Zaire comes in to totally STINK up the place.
Then LDR comes back, looks good but he gets injured yet again.
>>> Pretty tough to 'fix the offense' while under those extreme QB carousel conditions. :confused:

Plus the Knucklehead-9, including Callaway, Wells, Scarlett, and Telfort. jus-damn! :mad:
And then they lost a 3rd Top quality WR for the season in Robinson with a heart condition. :(
Cleveland and Toney both step up, then they go down injured,,, criminny... :eek:

So, Back to Franks with 5 WR's missing, 3 for the season... :oops:
=========

* The only reason I can see for continuing with Franks, is to set up Corral for the 2018 job. I said that both Trask and Allen should have bailed before the 2017 season. Now I certainly think that both should do so, IF they ever want to play QB in college.

They play Franks while leaving Trask/Allen to rot on the bench, because of Franks height (6-6) and because of his strong arm, for the down field passing game. Are they blind or stupid, or just still waiting on a miracle to happen?
20+ yds, 5 of 20 for 25% -- 10-19 yds, 7 of 15 for 46.7%.
Over 10 yds, 12 of 35 for 34.3% 2 TD's, 1 Int

~ So much for the importance of QB height and arm strength... :rolleyes:

But he's great on the 'dink & dunk junk' passing %, where his height would seem to me to be a non-factor.
55 of 66 for 83.3%, 1 TD, 2 Ints. (except for TD/Int Ratio anyway) :cool:
Overall Passing -- 67 of 101 for 66.3%, 3 TD's, 3 Ints. (stats from an SEC-Country article)
Completion % is being propped up with dink/dunk, while it's 50/50 on TD/Ints.
(excludes tap passes and throw-away's, otherwise he's 64.2%)

Franks ranks tied for 26th nationally in completion % (64.2%), tied for 48th in yds/att (7.5) and just 99th nationally in passing yds/gm (133.3). To me, they seem to be sticking with Franks to pave the way for Corral. That's well and good, except for putting the 'screw-job' to Trask & Allen. :confused:
==========

What the 2018 QB depth chart should look like imo:
QB-PP Corral Fr 6-2 196 - the new designated starter
QB-PP Franks rsSo 6-6 220 -- designate emergency backup

QB-DT Toney Soph 5-11 194 - Wild-Gator and/or WR/RB
QB Sproles rsSo 6-2 211 W-O
QB Ruskell rsFr 6-2 195 W-O
Where is QB Clarabelle hiding??? :rolleyes:

Grad Zaire and Grad LDR Gonzo
Trask and Allen X-fers out, or never expect to play unless Corral, Franks & Toney are all injured out first.
While nobody else playing QB needs to apply.... :cool:

PS

Hey ooozzziiieee, since you always attack those that don't agree with you, :D I expect you and those other jerks in your circle to jump right in here and set me straight on reality... ;)

Good to hear Copeland doesn't care we are sorry this year. :D I just hope Corral doesn't waiver if a change is made because I think it would create a domino effect.
 
Fev, WORRY is nothing but a bully.
It never gives anything good, it just takes.
I try to avoid it whenever possible... ;)
 
This is VERY telling:



"He simply never fit the culture at Florida, a culture of every program supporting the others and working together toward a common goal of high-level success across the board in athletics. A culture where championship-caliber coaches in many sports shared ideas about how to get their athletes to perform at the highest level.

McElwain sometimes sent staff proxies to meetings of the program's head coaches, something that rubbed many the wrong way. At one point in his first year, sources told GatorBait.net that he commandeered the soccer facilities for a practice without informing anyone."
 
Frost is top target but we think he's going to Nebraska. Then Mullen, Babers and Campbell from Iowa St.
 
I hope those damn rumors are true and Mac is gone in the next week or two. It would be like Christmas coming early.
 
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If we are going to claim we have ‘cause’ to negotiate a lower buyout then it has to happen now. Can’t wait to see how it plays out then make that claim.

I doubt we have cause for anything in reality looking at his statement word for word legally but I do think Mac wants the hell out of Gainesville and would be willing to negotiate an exit at reduced money.
 
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IF,,, and I say if they fire Mc, (a mistake imo) then Callaway and Scarlett should have to pack his bags for him and then pack their own and GTF outta here also.

And while they're at it, boot both LDR and Zaire along with him. Both are already Grads and are doing nothing but costing UF money at this point.

Then I'd tell the rest of the one's that are thug student/ATHLETE/citizen candidates, that they are on a 1 foot leash. One screw up and GONZO.
Wells and the other non true Fr in the Knucklehead-9 would be on that list IMO.

Now, with all that said,,,, nothing that's important to the rest of the World is happening in Gainesville right now... (as I sit back and relax) :cool:
 
I never understood what UF saw in Mac to begin with.

At least Muschamp seemed like he genuinely cared and was obviously super passionate and excited about the job. And he was a decent recruiter with an impressive pedigree. Mac is like your daughter's disappointing sullen dud of a boyfriend, who is always an awkward bore in conversation, that you pray she eventually dumps.
 
Do any of you want mullen? I mean i have no doubt that hes way better than butters but do you think mullen can win big ?
 
If the administration is planning to get rid of him, wouldn't it make sense to do it before the game? If UGA wins, especially by a large margin, it actually puts Mac in a stronger position to not give up any of his payout.

He can argue that UF is really just firing him for performance reasons, but using the "threats" gaffe as a cover to get out of paying him. It's more difficult for him to make this argument if UF technically has a winning record when he is fired, especially after a couple of seasons of winning the SEC East.
 
We didn't mind pasting on "half a hunnerd" on Spurrier at uscjr and making him QUIT coaching, do yall want us to do the same to Macelwain today? We were gonna stop at 45......:D
 
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I would be surprised if the death threat thing was grounds for a for cause firing. I would be shocked if we fired him a day after beating UGA.
 
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I would be surprised if the death threat thing was grounds for a for cause firing. I would be shocked if we fired him a day after beating UGA.
Well you won't have to worry about your last sentence. Aren't you guys still paying Muschamp too?
 
If the administration is planning to get rid of him, wouldn't it make sense to do it before the game? If UGA wins, especially by a large margin, it actually puts Mac in a stronger position to not give up any of his payout.

He can argue that UF is really just firing him for performance reasons, but using the "threats" gaffe as a cover to get out of paying him. It's more difficult for him to make this argument if UF technically has a winning record when he is fired, especially after a couple of seasons of winning the SEC East.

I heard it was going to be Thursday but some things needed to be finalized, hence Sunday
 
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