the majority of SEC coaches should be fired…just sayin’…
nice to see Regular Season Rick flame out again…
nice to see Regular Season Rick flame out again…
If you apply the “Fire Mike White Theory” based on NCAA performance espoused here…
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If Arkansas can make a Sweet 16 two straight seasons and Florida can't. That's the problem. I don't care about the Bama coach. Coach Cal has earned his occasional bad tournament (although he has done less with more), and I don't want to be satisfied keeping someone on the same level as RSR.
I have never wanted White fired because of his NCAA performance. It's his failure to win an SEC title, either regular season or tournament, in 7 years that was my reason. And he was really only in the hunt 1 of those years. That's the criteria UF coaches should be judged - being in regular contention for a conference championship and winning one every few years. Mike White didn't meet those standards and his teams were showing no signs of getting there anytime soon.
So if we had been in “contention” for a conference championship a few years and maybe won 1 SEC regular season title and had the same NCAA record you’d have been satisfied with White? How many SEC titles has Florida won in its entire history?
It’s funny how so many here kept speculating that he “needed” to make the sweet sixteen to save his job this season. How many SEC teams are making the sweet sixteen?
You think the player defections and injuries didn’t have anything thing to do with our record under White?
Look, sadgator isn’t trying to assert that there weren’t some concerns or that we shouldn’t have parted ways. All sadgator is saying is that objectively, White’s overall results were not as bad as some here want to point out. Our expectations of success as a basketball program are skewed and out of whack.
Golden isn’t going to win an SEC title of any kind in his inital few
years here. He likely won’t make the NCAAT as much as White did. And if makes an Elite 8 as quickly as White did, if at all, it will be miraculous.
sadgator hates to crap in the punch bowl, but that is reality folks.
It’s funny how so many here kept speculating that he “needed” to make the sweet sixteen to save his job this season. How many SEC teams are making the sweet sixteen?
You think the player defections and injuries didn’t have anything thing to do with our record under White?
Look, sadgator isn’t trying to assert that there weren’t some concerns or that we shouldn’t have parted ways. All sadgator is saying is that objectively, White’s overall results were not as bad as some here want to point out. Our expectations of success as a basketball program are skewed and out of whack.
Golden isn’t going to win an SEC title of any kind in his inital few
years here. He likely won’t make the NCAAT as much as White did. And if makes an Elite 8 as quickly as White did, if at all, it will be miraculous.
sadgator hates to crap in the punch bowl, but that is reality folks.
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Personally I'll disagree.
I'd rather have Eric Musselman type results over Regular Season Rick type results. RSR recently won the SEC-T. He probably would have one the year it was cancelled due to COVID-19. RSR has only had UT in 1 Sweet 16 in 7 seasons. Musselman is on his way to his second Sweet 16 in only his 3rd season.
Winning the SEC-T got UT and Barnes nothing but a little trophy for the case and dust in the real trophy case and no banner worth hanging.
RSR has had the same results tournament wise as Mike White. White actually made it to the Elite 8 vs RSR's Sweet 16.
So you telling me you'd keep a coach with RSR resluts in the tourney because he won a SECT?
IMHO the hoops program was stuck in neutral with no evidence it would be anything more than mid sec level. 7 years is plenty of data. So do you take a risk and see if you can improve upon that or do you stay satisfied with the current state? Next season was shaping up to be very difficult without some home runs in the portal. I think White knew this and decided to get while the getting was good. 1-6 against your biggest rival doesn't help either....
I’m a little confused by your comments. Whose fault do you think it is that we have had so many player defections?
Are you satisfied with finishing 9th in the SEC in a conference not really noted for its basketball?
In the last 7 years during White’s tenure here are all the schools that have won the SEC. (Auburn, Bama, UK, LSU, Tennessee and A&M). So not even UK is dominating the conference lately and in that above list you have 5 “football schools”. So how come we can’t compete for SEC titles or tourney titles?? In 7 years we have only been in contention 1 year. Sorry but IMO that is actually pretty sad if you are telling me we can’t come close to competing with the likes of Auburn, Bama, LSU, UT & A&M in basketball. Some of y’all’s standards have really dropped. Wonder why? Last time i checked it is expected that UF sports compete for championships and if you don’t you get fired. As many of you know I hopped of the MW wagon a few years ago. He has a poor offensive system and he’s bad with roster management. Even in the 1 lone good year White did have I saw problems with his offensive system.
And guess what? We made the NIT this year and next years team was going to be even worse with White. We were headed for the NIT again next year because of poor roster management.
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Many coaches in the SEC have net cutting level accomplishments (either with the SEC or with the tourney) unlike White. Same with most of the coaches we had going back to Sloan.
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The answer to your first question is: White.
The answer to your second question is: no.
sadgator doesn’t disagree with a good portion of your position.
White is ultimately responsible for the roster management and the performance.
sadgator just thinks it’s been an odd little bit of time for us with the way the players have left and been injured. There have been some amount of uncontrolled circumstances that have played into White’s tenure. ISO, he actually did a pretty good job of finding dudes in the portal and putting together competitive teams.
sadgator’s biggest complaint is the fact that we could never seem to win more than like a few games in row during a season without a setback. From that viewpoint of consistency, you’ve been dead on. Also, it didn’t seem like we were “team building” from a personnel standpoint for obvious reasons. So your criticism is valid.
But all in all from a results and production standpoint, sadgator was pretty satisfied with making the tourney in most years. It’s about all you can ask at the end. Regardless of who is winning it, the SEC is a beast to win. We’ve done it so few times as a program, it really isn’t something sadgator expects.
sadgator will certainly support Golden and hope for the best, but it won’t surprise sadgator a few years from now if we all have a better appreciation for White getting us in the tourney with such regularity.
I was watching Gonzaga vs Memphis last night. Timme won the game for them with his second half performance. However Andrew Nembhard kept that game from being too large of a deficit to overcome with his first half performance. Also factor in his clutch free throw shooting towards the end of the game was a huge reason they won.
Why did he leave UF?
I will say this in your assessment. It seems like we sure as hell didn't hit home runs with our two hires in the revenue sports. I think both have "potential" to be program builders but neither strike fear in opposing coaches as "oh shit we may go 0-2 a against UF the next two seasons." Like what would be the case when Bama hired Saban, UK hired Cal, Auburn hired Pearl, etc etc.
It was time for Mike White to go. Even he knew it. The program was trending on the wrong direction. These aren't lifetime jobs. Best of luck to him. He represented the program admirably.
Ask any D1 coach what their #1 goal is and they'll tell you it's to win the conference. Post season success is nice, but it's icing on the cake. The truly great coaches do both, but if a coach is winning their share of conference championships, their job will be pretty secure.
Golden very well may do worse than White but to be honest I will never have a better appreciation for White because he’s just average and I don’t think average is good enough. Also I can’t show appreciation for a coach that clearly struggles with an offensive identity and roster management.
Bu the way that was Whites team that just got humiliated by Xavier in a NIT game. It wasn’t a good season and the team was likely going to be worse next year under White.
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Agree - His teams never really had an identity or a style of play. They generally played hard, but often out of control and were consistently inconsistent. That's coaching or lack thereof. Past time to move on, by 2-3 years, IMO.
Agreed. There us nothing to appreciate due to our complete lack of identity on either offense or defense. I wanted White gone after year 5 because I was worried about what could happen to the roster/program by him hanging around too long and sure enough here we are. A complete cluster of a roster that just had its top 6 players all seniors and all transfers. Total mismanagement
The more basketball games that are being played the worst UFs season begins to look. SEC is looking awful in the postseason.
Bruce Pearl and his slimy Auburn program got embarrassed by Miami. Pearl is like a slug that leaves a trail of slime wherever he goes.
I don't disagree 100% because I don't want to downplay winning conference titles.
However I still think post season runs are more important.
Right now UNC and Miami both are still in the tournament. Virginia Tech won the ACCT but no longer in the tournament.
If Tech won the ACCT every single year but we're eliminated in the first weekend is that coach doing a better job than a Miami coach if the Miami coach makes it consistently to the Sweet 16 and hovers around a 4-8th place ranking in the ACC?
I'd personally take the success Eric Musselman is having at Arkansas vs what Rick Barnes is doing at Tennessee. Is Buzz at A&M a better coach than Musselman because Buzz was in contention for the SECCT?
Cal at UK is definitely in contention consistently for the SEC. Do you think if he had 4 to 5 more years of losing early in these tournaments to mid majors that the UK faithful will want to keep him around?
Agreed with a lot of what you are saying. I wouldn’t want Regular Season Rick at all. Definitely would take Musselman over him right now.
UK fans are pretty much done with Cal.
Hell NO. The UK fanbase is growing very restless. Going strictly by the sentiment I see on Rupp Rafters on the UK Board, I would say 75-80% of the posters already want him gone. His support is probably higher in the general fan base, but even so I would say his seat is starting to get warm.
Lucky for him he has a lifetime contract with a $50+ MM buyout. IMO, the only plausible way to get him out of there is to get him to graciously agree to retire / step down with a reduced buyout.
Are you kidding? They want him gone now.
Yep a lot of the holdouts even want Cal gone now. Hard to see him winning another championship with the one and done stuff combined with the minor league NBA stuff now.
But he is in contention for the SEC every year 😉
lol ... Well he is at the equivalent of where they expect Bama football level results in basketball. I think they could do better considering how much of a basketball school that is but it would be funny I guess if they have him another few years.
I think UK has only win the SEC twice in the last 7 years. That is well well below their expectations.
Kentucky expectations in basketball are like Alabama's expectation in football. Final 4 or it's a failed year. That's not what normal expectations are of the vast majority of D1 programs and for the coaches in each individual sport. Conference championship are the year in and year out goal, to be in regular contention and win one every few years. That's more realistic, especially at schools that have the resources, facilities and recruiting bases (like UF).
😴 Isn't it finally time to move on from MW, he's gonzo?
We now have a new coach to hate on so let's get to it... 🙄
We now have a new coach to hate on so let's get to it... 🙄
Yep I doubt the new coach this time was left most of the pieces to be the starters for an elite 8 run.
Another one that needs to go review the classes on roster in the E-8 season.... 😂
The majority of the producers on that team were Donovan's recruits I think. Like 4 of the top 6 scorers I think. I would need to look it up again to be sure.
Yes, but the high school stats of White's recruits were unbelievable. That's what matters most.
5 of the top 6 scorers were Billy recruits. Now I guess you could argue that White convinced K. Allen to keep his commitment, so if you stretch 4 of 6.
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