I don't want to hear it anymore

[PacoGator19]

I'm kind of tired of hearing some of our posters who continue to say last year's recruiting class was below average to poor.
Jawaan Taylor
David Reese
Tyrie Cleveland
Eddy Pineiro
Lamical Perine
Chauncey Gardner
Jachai Polite
Josh Hammond
Freddie Swain
Vosean Joseph
....all major contributors this year
that's a pretty stout true freshman class

 

[Gator Fever]

I'm kind of tired of hearing some of our posters who continue to say last year's recruiting class was below average to poor.
Jawaan Taylor
David Reese
Tyrie Cleveland
Eddy Pineiro
Lamical Perine
Chauncey Gardner
Jachai Polite
Josh Hammond
Freddie Swain
Vosean Joseph
....all major contributors this year
that's a pretty stout true freshman class

Definitely not a poor class as some look like they could really be good going forward but I don't think last years recruiting most years will bring SEC Championships and history says it won't either. That 2010 Auburn team is about the only SEC Champion in recent times I think that it could be argued didn't dominate in recruiting rankings some years going into their championship and they had that huge edge with the QB.

 

[PacoGator19]

Definitely not a poor class as some look like they could really be good going forward but I don't think last years recruiting most years will bring SEC Championships and history says it won't either. That 2010 Auburn team is about the only SEC Champion in recent times I think that it could be argued didn't dominate in recruiting rankings some years going into their championship and they had that huge edge with the QB.

I only named the freshman who have been major contributors SO FAR, which is pretty impressive when compared to other programs

 

[GordonGecko]

Is OP's real name, "FRANCISCO"?

I'd have gone with "PANCHO".

 

[Gator Fever]

I only named the freshman who have been major contributors SO FAR, which is pretty impressive when compared to other programs

It will be interesting to see what happens in that Michigan game early next year as both teams lose many of their starters and the starters will be the recruits of the new coaches for the most part. We actually have the edge on bringing back starters on offense. A lot of people don't realize most of the good Michigan players right now were recruited by Hoke. They may have experience at QB unlike us if Franks gets the nod like many think he will but Michigan's current QBs aren't game changers at all.

 

[oozie7]

Has anyone ever said the class was poor? Not even Michi to my knowledge has said that. The ongoing theme has been that we didn't fill crucial needs and that is true, even our coaches have said so. They wanted 4-5 OL we signed 2. We wanted at least 3 DT and we signed none although Polite will likely grow into one. There's a difference between thinking the class was poor and thinking we needed to do more. I don't understand why everything has to be so black and white on this board other than people on both sides want to be able to say "I told you so!"

 

[WestlakeGator]

Last year's class was not "poor" but it was below average. If we are looking to win national titles and SEC championships, then Mac will have to do better.

 

[GatorNation79]

I only named the freshman who have been major contributors SO FAR, which is pretty impressive when compared to other programs

Good class...I think that some feel that way because we've had so many positions of need....just a total rebuild. I think that the coaches are doing a good job at developing their talent too.

 

[bradleygator]

other than people on both sides want to be able to say "I told you so!"

I think you're on to something.

 

[MJWilliamson]

It was not a class that can lead us to a championship, according to some. I guess the SEC East does not count?

 

[bradleygator]

It was not a class that can lead us to a championship, according to some. I guess the SEC East does not count?

I don't think of winning the SECE as a championship. Winning the league is a championship. But I could see these guys winning the league. Winning at LSU is probably the third hardest thing to do in the SEC, behind winning at 'Bama and winning at home vs. 'Bama (or in Atlanta).

 

[Dannygator1989]

I'm retry sure many people were comaining that it wasn't ranked high enough.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Either the Nellie's are right about recruiting and McElwain does more with less better than almost any other coach. Or his recruiting is better than they think.

 

[sadgator]

I'm kind of tired of hearing some of our posters who continue to say last year's recruiting class was below average to poor.
Jawaan Taylor
David Reese
Tyrie Cleveland
Eddy Pineiro
Lamical Perine
Chauncey Gardner
Jachai Polite
Josh Hammond
Freddie Swain
Vosean Joseph
....all major contributors this year
that's a pretty stout true freshman class

If you woulda asked sadgator a week ago who Vosean Joseph was, he would have had no idea. After this past week, he is now "the dude that made that bad ass hit at the pylon."

 

[MJWilliamson]

If you woulda asked sadgator a week ago who Vosean Joseph was, he would have had no idea. After this past week, he is now "the dude that made that bad ass hit at the pylon."

Just another McElwain recruit.

 

[Gator Fever]

Either the Nellie's are right about recruiting and McElwain does more with less better than almost any other coach. Or his recruiting is better than they think.

On defense some young guys have stepped up well so far but the jury is still out on the offense. I think we tend to forget we have only scored 3 TDs on offense the past 3 games.

 

[PacoGator19]

Has anyone ever said the class was poor? Not even Michi to my knowledge has said that. The ongoing theme has been that we didn't fill crucial needs and that is true, even our coaches have said so. They wanted 4-5 OL we signed 2. We wanted at least 3 DT and we signed none although Polite will likely grow into one. There's a difference between thinking the class was poor and thinking we needed to do more. I don't understand why everything has to be so black and white on this board other than people on both sides want to be able to say "I told you so!"

Why did we have to sign 4-5 olinemen? You may want to take a look at how many Olineman we had returning on scholarship before you think we could have added 4-5 more.
For some reason there is some myth out there that we have to sign a whole bunch of olinemen. You better take a look at how many we have on scholarship first and how many we have returning before you just add another 4-5.

We have 15 olineman on scholly right now. For a balanced roster you should have anywhere from 14-16. No more, no less. And not counting any attrition not one of those 15 olineman are seniors right now.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Has anyone ever said the class was poor? Not even Michi to my knowledge has said that. The ongoing theme has been that we didn't fill crucial needs and that is true, even our coaches have said so. They wanted 4-5 OL we signed 2. We wanted at least 3 DT and we signed none although Polite will likely grow into one. There's a difference between thinking the class was poor and thinking we needed to do more. I don't understand why everything has to be so black and white on this board other than people on both sides want to be able to say "I told you so!"

Come on man...you know plenty cried like babies about the class as a whole. No not you...you did not but more than enough did. I'm not back tracking multiple months ago but many were displeased about it all...not just the needs not met.

True story!

 

[oozie7]

It was not a class that can lead us to a championship, according to some. I guess the SEC East does not count?

So our freshman class is leading us to an SEC East title? Lmao. Reaaaaaach! The core players on this team are not the freshmen and you know that. But like I said both sides of people on this board are so ready to say "I told you so!" that reaches like you just made are so common.

 

[oozie7]

Why did we have to sign 4-5 olinemen? You may want to take a look at how many Olineman we had returning on scholarship before you think we could have added 4-5 more.
For some reason there is some myth out there that we have to sign a whole bunch of olinemen. You better take a look at how many we have on scholarship first and how many we have returning before you just add another 4-5.

We have 15 olineman on scholly right now. For a balanced roster you should have anywhere from 14-16. No more, no less. And not counting any attrition not one of those 15 olineman are seniors right now.

Idk ask the coaches that was their goal. Maybe you know more about their roster than they do? One day you guys will realize that just having numbers doesn't equal depth. Quality equals depth. 7-8 quality guys is more depth than 15 below average guys hypothetically. And just to clarify no I'm not calling our 15 below average just giving an example.

 

[oozie7]

Come on man...you know plenty cried like babies about the class as a whole. No not you...you did not but more than enough did. I'm not back tracking multiple months ago but many were displeased about it all...not just the needs not met.

True story!

I honestly don't remember that. The them for the 'nellies' as far as I remember was similar to what WestLak posted earlier, that it wasn't a class that would lead to titles unless supplemented by other top classes.

What I do remember though is the ongoing battle between one side that felt every McElwain recruit was an underrated stud only he could find and the other side that felt every 3-star wasn't good enough. And both sides are idiots IMO. Like I keep saying everybody just wants to pick a side to be able to say I told you so I guess. There ain't any middle ground on this board. It's petty.

 

[PacoGator19]

Idk ask the coaches that was their goal. Maybe you know more about their roster than they do? One day you guys will realize that just having numbers doesn't equal depth. Quality equals depth. 7-8 quality guys is more depth than 15 below average guys hypothetically. And just to clarify no I'm not calling our 15 below average just giving an example.

No it was not their goal to sign 4-5 olineman last year. I'll tell you something else. It isn't their goal to sign 4-5 olineman in this class either unless they have some attrition. We have 15 olineman on scholly with zero seniors.

You have to have a balanced roster. If you have 19-20 olineman on scholly that means you are shorthanded somewhere else on your team therefore causing an unbalanced roster. You still have to recruit to your needs based on numbers.

DT and LBer are the positions that are short on numbers and DBs will be due to seniors and guys headed to the NFL. The DB situation is being addressed with this upcoming recruting class.

 

[oozie7]

No it was not their goal to sign 4-5 olineman last year. I'll tell you something else. It isn't their goal to sign 4-5 olineman in this class either unless they have some attrition. We have 15 olineman on scholly with zero seniors.

You have to have a balanced roster. If you have 19-20 olineman on scholly that means you are shorthanded somewhere else on your team therefore causing an unbalanced roster. You still have to recruit to your needs based on numbers.

DT and LBer are the positions that are short on numbers and DBs will be due to seniors and guys headed to the NFL. The DB situation is being addressed with this upcoming recruting class.

Ok so Mac lied when he said we didn't get numbers upfront then. And I didn't say they wanted to sign 4-5 this year either so...

 

[Michi-Gator]

Either the Nellie's are right about recruiting and McElwain does more with less better than almost any other coach. Or his recruiting is better than they think.

Well lets see, since Mac's choice at QB went out the offense has improved. Since the starting OL has been forcibly shuffled they have improved. Hmmmmm?!?!?!? But lets ignore those facts. Ignore that we were starting possibly the worst scholaship QB on our roster and fielding an offense in the 100s. There are flaws.

And winning the SECe as a chanpionship as a title......lol. Thats like winning a tallest midget contest.

 

[ifuaintagatorumustbegatorbait]

I really think Mac does have an eye for the diamond in the rough, but you can't consistently rely on that when recruiting as a whole. You still have to get some of the consensus blue chippers that the other Power 5 juggernauts are fighting for. imo

UF should never have less than 2 5 stars in every class, but with that said; recruiting positions of need far outweighs any ranking system. I would rather have a 3 star DT over a 5 star wideout if the numbers at the respective positions are way off balance.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Ok so Mac lied when he said we didn't get numbers upfront then. And I didn't say they wanted to sign 4-5 this year either so...

Its about right or wrong. It can't possibly be a class with some nice players that had some holes. Its either the best class in history or the worst. And as for the freshman being the reason we won, lol. Lets remove Scarlett, Callaway, Brantley and the entire secondary and see where we are. I actually think the loss of Wilson, Tabor, Maye and Brantley will do the opposite of what the OP was trying to do. It will show holes in the last couple classes.

 

[oozie7]

I really think Mac does have an eye for the diamond in the rough, but you can't consistently rely on that when recruiting as a whole. You still have to get some of the consensus blue chippers that the other Power 5 juggernauts are fighting for. imo

UF should never have less than 2 5 stars in every class, but with that said; recruiting positions of need far outweighs any ranking system. I would rather have a 3 star DT over a 5 star wideout if the numbers at the respective positions are way off balance.

The entire argument is disingenuous regardless because it's not as if Mac isn't also chasing those guys everybody else wants. He's been hard after them and when we didn't get them we had to resort to backup plans in some cases. Some of those guys have turned out better than expected, but we aren't purposefully choosing underrated guys over top guys like some in this thread are implying.

Beyond that though...trust your eyes. I'm not a star guy, never have been never will be. But every 2-3 star isn't an underrated stud and every 2-3 star doesn't suck either...which is why the hard line guys on both sides are just ridiculous. No objectivity and too many people wanting to be proven right on a message board. Jake Allen is a 4-star and I don't think he has any business at UF, as one example. 3-star Davis is better than 4-star Wilson at DB to me. All of that might turn out wrong but so be it. That's what opinion are for.

 

[TennesseeGator]

I'm kind of tired of hearing some of our posters who continue to say last year's recruiting class was below average to poor.
Jawaan Taylor
David Reese
Tyrie Cleveland
Eddy Pineiro
Lamical Perine
Chauncey Gardner
Jachai Polite
Josh Hammond
Freddie Swain
Vosean Joseph
....all major contributors this year
that's a pretty stout true freshman class

I also count Appleby as a signee although it's only one year. Had we not had him who knows if we win the games he played in.

He was an interception machine at Purdue. Not so much here. LDR took that title.

Think of the others who shirted due to depth in front of them...

The class has already contributed and will only grow up and get better.

 

[Countygator]

I'm retry sure many people were comaining that it wasn't ranked high enough.

Exactly! Once again Danny so simply expresses what everyone else struggles to say!

 

[MJWilliamson]

So our freshman class is leading us to an SEC East title? Lmao. Reaaaaaach! The core players on this team are not the freshmen and you know that. But like I said both sides of people on this board are so ready to say "I told you so!" that reaches like you just made are so common.

The offense is run by Mac's recruits.
And with all the injuries increasingly so is the defense.

 

[oozie7]

The offense is run by Mac's recruits.
And with all the injuries increasingly so is the defense.

You said the freshman class is leading us, that isn't true. Before the SC game we started exactly 1 freshman on either side of the ball...Jawaan Taylor on the OL. And at that point in time we were 6-2 and in 1st place in the East. Even with the rash of injuries we've had since that game we now only start 5 freshmen...Taylor, McCoy, Reese, and Zuniga, and Johnson. And Johnson, Zuniga and McCoy are redshirt freshmen. So no, the freshmen class is not leading this team to the SECE. Have they played well in spots and showed potential? Sure.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Well lets see, since Mac's choice at QB went out the offense has improved. Since the starting OL has been forcibly shuffled they have improved. Hmmmmm?!?!?!? But lets ignore those facts. Ignore that we were starting possibly the worst scholaship QB on our roster and fielding an offense in the 100s. There are flaws.

And winning the SECe as a chanpionship as a title......lol. Thats like winning a tallest midget contest.

Now wait minute. Both QBs are his choice. He recruited and signed both. Let me ask you a question: why are you even a sports fan? Sports seem to make you miserable.

 

[MJWilliamson]

You said the freshman class is leading us, that isn't true. Before the SC game we started exactly 1 freshman on either side of the ball...Jawaan Taylor on the OL. And at that point in time we were 6-2 and in 1st place in the East. Even with the rash of injuries we've had since that game we now only start 5 freshmen...Taylor, McCoy, Reese, and Zuniga, and Johnson. And Johnson, Zuniga and McCoy are redshirt freshmen. So no, the freshmen class is not leading this team to the SECE. Have they played well in spots and showed potential? Sure.

Now wait a minute. Many of the nellies point to Mac's recruiting failures include that first class as proof. So yes, redshirt freshman belong to him. They signed when he was the HC.
They are his.

 

[oozie7]

Now wait a minute. Many of the nellies point to Mac's recruiting failures include that first class as proof. So yes, redshirt freshman belong to him. They signed when he was the HC.
They are his.

Nobody ever argued otherwise, they are his recruits. But Paco's thread references the class that was just signed, or the true freshman class. That is who you said was leading us to an SECE title and it just isn't accurate.

Also, you can't have it both ways. On the one hand you argue that his recruits are leading us and have made that case for the offense numerous times, which is true. Yet the offense which is dominated by his recruits is now 119th in the nation. So either those players are really good (which is your belief) and they're receiving terrible coaching OR they aren't making the impact you guys say they are making. How else are we that poor? Those are the only two logical explanations.

 

[oozie7]

And FWIW put me in the camp that says they're receiving terrible coaching. I've said it over and over but Mac has done surprisingly well recruiting the skill guys. I have zero complaints there. But we also shouldn't be 119th in offense with those same skill guys. So if we're going to give him credit for finding all these great players then we also have to give him blame for their lack of performance. If we have great coaching and great recruiting then it would be impossible for performance not to be there, that's just basic logic. So something is missing. Or more specifically, we need to give him blame for his choice at OC. Unless there are 118 other schools with better offensive talent than us.

 

[SwampMaster]

And FWIW put me in the camp that says they're receiving terrible coaching. I've said it over and over but Mac has done surprisingly well recruiting the skill guys. I have zero complaints there. But we also shouldn't be 119th in offense with those same skill guys. So if we're going to give him credit for finding all these great players then we also have to give him blame for their lack of performance. If we have great coaching and great recruiting then it would be impossible for performance not to be there, that's just basic logic. So something is missing. Or more specifically, we need to give him blame for his choice at OC. Unless there are 118 other schools with better offensive talent than us.

Poor quarterback play.

 

[PacoGator19]

You said the freshman class is leading us, that isn't true. Before the SC game we started exactly 1 freshman on either side of the ball...Jawaan Taylor on the OL. And at that point in time we were 6-2 and in 1st place in the East. Even with the rash of injuries we've had since that game we now only start 5 freshmen...Taylor, McCoy, Reese, and Zuniga, and Johnson. And Johnson, Zuniga and McCoy are redshirt freshmen. So no, the freshmen class is not leading this team to the SECE. Have they played well in spots and showed potential? Sure.

You forgot Cleveland.

 

[oozie7]

Poor quarterback play.

Poor OC. 4 QB's now, 3 started out well and got progressively worse. And the one with elite talent was up and down and often left without help with playcalls. He's the biggest issue by far. Second place isn't even really close.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Now wait minute. Both QBs are his choice. He recruited and signed both. Let me ask you a question: why are you even a sports fan? Sports seem to make you miserable.

Shocker. You completely dodged the issue. Mac chose LDR of his 4 QBs to start. It is beyond obvious that was the wrong choice. That my firend is a COACHING issue.

 

[Michi-Gator]

And FWIW put me in the camp that says they're receiving terrible coaching. I've said it over and over but Mac has done surprisingly well recruiting the skill guys. I have zero complaints there. But we also shouldn't be 119th in offense with those same skill guys. So if we're going to give him credit for finding all these great players then we also have to give him blame for their lack of performance. If we have great coaching and great recruiting then it would be impossible for performance not to be there, that's just basic logic. So something is missing. Or more specifically, we need to give him blame for his choice at OC. Unless there are 118 other schools with better offensive talent than us.

Yup. With all the bragging the OP did, I would love to see him answer this. As he and MJ are also the two who cannot come to admit that not only is Nuss a problem, but he is hurting us, badly