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As in natural gas furnaces??? Help me make sense of that.
There is no sense, except that they see heat pumps being more efficient down to about 30 deg.f since it’s stealing most of the heat from the outside air…..get down below 20 deg.f and that schit don’t work as well, and ya have to go to strip electric heat which is way less efficient

advancing an agenda is more important than making sure Americans have decent options at heating and air
 
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There is no sense, except that they see heat pumps being more efficient down to about 30 deg.f since it’s stealing most of the heat from the outside air…..get down below 20 deg.f and that schit don’t work as well, and ya have to go to strip electric heat which is way less efficient

advancing an agenda is more important than making sure Americans have decent options at heating and air

So heat pumps are more efficient...except for when it's really cold?

Haha, holy crap. 🤣
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/climate/gas-stoves-climate-change.html
How Politics Are Determining What Stove You Use
New York is the latest Democratic city aiming to fight climate change by ushering out stoves and furnaces that run on gas in favor of electric alternatives. But Republican states and the gas industry are fighting back.


By Brad Plumer and Hiroko Tabuchi
Dec. 16, 2021

In a nation that is already deeply split along partisan lines over the pandemic response, racial equity and abortion, add this: gas stoves and furnaces.

This week, New York City moved to ban gas hookups in new buildings, joining cities in blue states like California, Massachusetts and Washington that want to shift homes away from burning natural gas because it releases carbon dioxide, which causes global warming.

Instead, developers in New York City will have to install electric heat pumps and electric kitchen ranges in newly constructed buildings.

But the growing push to electrify homes has triggered a political backlash: At least 20 mostly red states including Arizona, Georgia, Florida, Ohio and Texas have passed laws that forbid their cities from restricting gas use. Most of these bills have passed in the last year, backed by the natural gas industry and local gas utilities, which see electrification as a looming threat to their bottom line.

Homes and buildings are directly responsible for about 13 percent of America’s annual greenhouse gas emissions, largely from natural gas burned in furnaces, hot water heaters, stoves, ovens and clothes dryers. Curbing that pollution is crucial, experts say, if the nation hopes to stop adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere by 2050, as President Biden has proposed.

“People understand the potential of renewable energy. We’ve really reduced emissions in the power sector. We’re doing a lot more on electric vehicles now,” said Dylan Sullivan, a senior scientist for the climate and clean energy program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group. Gas use in buildings, he said, “is the new issue, and one that’s going to be a big focus over the next decade.”

The best way to clean up buildings, states like California have concluded, is by converting them to run largely on electricity. That means ditching gas furnaces in favor of electric heat pumps, which essentially act like air-conditioners that can run in two directions, providing heating in the winter and cooling in the summer. As states continue to add wind and solar power to their electric grids, emissions from these appliances should decline even more.

But the gas industry is fighting back and has lobbied in statehouses across the country to slow the shift away from gas. It argues that gas appliances are widely popular and still cost less than electric versions for many consumers. Opponents have also warned that a rush to electrify homes could strain power grids, particularly in the winter when heating needs soar, at a time when states like California and Texas are already struggling to meet demand.

Karen Harbert, president and chief executive of the American Gas Association, an industry group, said efforts to disconnect homes and businesses from the extensive network of gas pipelines would make it difficult to supply those buildings with low-carbon alternatives that might be available in the future, such as hydrogen or biogas.
 
Below 25 tp 30 degrees heat pumps aren't the most efficent
So how many days do temps runs below 25 to 30 degrees?

Will fossil fuel heat pumps ever improve? No.
Will air source heat pumps improve? Yes.

https://www.estesair.com/blog/at-wh... pumps do not operate,energy to do their jobs.

Heating with a Heat Pump​

An air source heat pump heats your home by pulling heat from the air outside and transferring that heat into the air circulating throughout your home. Even though it may feel crisp outdoors, there is often ample heat to be found to provide sufficient heating inside your home.

Atlanta winters are mostly mild, which allows heat pumps to operate efficiently in most cases. However, there comes a point when outdoor temperatures drop too low for optimal operation. Heat pumps do not operate as efficiently when temperatures drop to between 25 and 40 degrees Fahrenheit for most systems.

A heat pump works best when the temperature is above 40. Once outdoor temperatures drop to 40 degrees, heat pumps start losing efficiency, and they consume more energy to do their jobs. When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as the most efficient heating option for an Atlanta home.

Even at 25 degrees, your heat pump will still run. The issue at this temperature is that they system will require more energy as it runs because there isn’t enough heat energy in the outdoor air for the heat pump to use in heating your interiors.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/19/us/politics/fact-check-health-claims-inflation-reduction-act.html
Fact-Checking Health Claims About the Inflation Reduction Act
A provision in the law seeking to drive down drug prices has become fodder for misleading claims.

The law empowers Medicare to negotiate prices for prescription drugs, resulting in savings for the federal government. But the law does not cut benefits, as Mr. Scott’s Twitter post may imply. On the contrary, many Medicare enrollees will see their benefits improve.

“No provision in the I.R.A. directly reduces benefits for Medicare enrollees, and several increase benefits,” said Rachel Sachs, a law professor at Washington University in St. Louis and an expert in drug regulation. “The goal of the Medicare drug price negotiation provision is not to reduce benefits for enrollees: It’s to pay less for the same drugs that we’re currently purchasing, in doing so saving money.”

The law also includes a number of cost-saving measures for Medicare beneficiaries. It limits to $2,000 the amount enrollees would have to pay out of pocket for medication, caps monthly costs for insulin at $35, eliminates cost sharing for vaccines and expands eligibility for low-income subsidies. The Kaiser Family Foundation estimated that these provisions could reduce costs for more than four million older Americans.

The Congressional Budget Office projected in July that an earlier version of the drug price legislation would reduce the federal deficit by $288 billion over 10 years — what Mr. Scott was referring to.

About $102 billion of that reduction in spending comes from the government’s negotiating and paying manufacturers lower drug prices.

Another provision requires manufacturers to rebate Medicare if they raise drug prices at rates higher than inflation. The budget office estimated that this would save the government about $62 billion over a decade. (Those savings are likely to be smaller because the completed law was more limited in scope after a top Senate official ruled that the rebate could not take into account medications sold in the private market.)

Another $122 billion in spending reduction comes from the repeal of a Trump-era rule on drug pricing that would most likely have had mixed effects for Medicare beneficiaries. But that regulation has been repeatedly delayed and was not scheduled to take effect until 2027 — leading some to characterize the rule’s repeated inclusion in legislation as a budgetary gimmick. Furthermore, the final law did not repeal it entirely but rather pushed enactment to 2032. In other words, about 40 percent of the “cuts” to Medicare that Mr. Scott cited refer to further delaying a regulation that has never been enforced and has had no effect on beneficiaries.
 
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Below 25 tp 30 degrees heat pumps aren't the most efficent
So how many days do temps runs below 25 to 30 degrees?

Will fossil fuel heat pumps ever improve? No.
Will air source heat pumps improve? Yes.
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When do you really need your heat, when it’s 40f or 20f? And when it’s 20f, one pays 2-3 times more for a unit of heat because the strip heater has to engage.

did you even read what you pasted? Because the fundamentals of air source heat pump operation is NOT going to improve as it’s set by fundamental temperature differences
 
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-ke...on-act-will-kick-in-right-away-182211474.html
Inflation Reduction Act: 4 ways it will kick in right away
Ben Werschkul·Washington Correspondent
Tue, August 16, 2022 at 2:22 PM·6 min read
LOL at anyone who believes this crap.
psst…. The middle class can’t see buying a $90,000 car for a $7,500 tax credit. Stop blindly following this loser. He’s a moron that knows not what he sayeth.

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When do you really need your heat, when it’s 40f or 20f? And when it’s 20f, one pays 2-3 times more for a unit of heat because the strip heater has to engage.

did you even read what you pasted? Because the fundamentals of air source heat pump operation is NOT going to improve as it’s set by fundamental temperature differences

So the question is how often does you temps run below 30 degrees?
That's when it isn't the most efficient method.

Compared to how often are temps above 30 degrees?

When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as the most efficient heating option for an Atlanta home.
 
So heat pumps are more efficient...except for when it's really cold?

Haha, holy crap. 🤣
A libtard neighbor/friend of mine got a roof full of solar panels and put in these highly efficient heat pumps. He had it all figured out - down to the penny - of how this new solar/inverter/Li battery bullschit was gonna pay for itself and even send power back to the grid so that “the power company will be paying ME!”
January rolled around and he was adding “gas packs” to his fuct up system. Apparently there’s not enough power in the hemisphere to heat a 4,000 sq. ft. house with heat pumps.
Then later in the spring he had to replace the battery (“battery”, as he explained, is the proper term for his twelve expensive AF lithium ion batteries wired in series and parallel such that he has 48 volts somehow or another.) He had to replace due to failure of a charging regulator. That failure caused the system to overcharge and ultimately fuct up the entire “battery.”
I’m glad I decided to “wait and see” before scrapping my gas furnaces, gas cooktop and gas tankless hot water heater. He wanted me to jump off that bridge with him but I politely told him to FO.
 
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So the question is how often does you temps run below 30 degrees?
That's when it isn't the most efficient method.

Compared to how often are temps above 30 degrees?

When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as the most efficient heating option for an Atlanta home.
So you would agree a heat pump in Atlanta makes more sense than a heat pump in Detroit??? So why mandate that EVERYONE is to only have heat pumps?
 
Because moving off of fossil fuels makes more sense than marginal differences in efficiency for environmental & strategic (OPEC) reasons

No one I know of is mandating "only heat pumps"...that has been the decision for new development in a growing number of cities....but none of them outlaw the homeowner of a adding backup system (electric or gas)
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cash-feds-green-energy-stimulus-122700461.html
How to cash in on the feds’ new green energy stimulus package: Save on solar, home improvements and electric vehicles
Ron Hurtibise, South Florida Sun Sentinel
Tue, August 23, 2022 at 8:27 AM·8 min read


Households can save thousands of dollars on air conditioning, heating, appliance, and vehicle upgrades by taking advantage of green energy incentives within the Inflation Reduction Act signed last week by President Joe Biden.

One of the most valuable green energy incentives in the legislation is a 10-year extension of a federal tax credit that reduces the cost of installing a rooftop solar system by 30%.

The act also extends a $7,500 tax credit for electric and other green energy vehicles, but imposes new North American assembly rules that immediately disqualified some previously eligible models.

On top of the tax credit savings, Americans who take advantage of all upgrades incentivized in the act — installing a modern electric heat pump to cool and heat their home, a heat pump for water heating, rooftop solar, and switching to an electric vehicle — will save $1,800 a year on energy bills, according Rewiring America, a nonprofit organization “focused on electrifying everything in our communities.”

Some of the incentives, which consumers will be able to subtract from their 2022 tax bills next spring, took effect on Aug. 16, the day Biden signed the $739 billion act. Some won’t take effect until Jan. 1. Others, including two separate packages of rebates for energy saving upgrades, won’t be available until states set up a process to accept and review applications.

It’s important to know that a tax credit is different from a tax deduction. While a tax deduction is subtracted from taxable income, a tax credit is subtracted from the amount of tax owed and can result in a hefty refund or a smaller tax payment at filing time.

Here’s what we know so far about green energy incentives enacted this week as part of the Inflation Reduction Act:

Rooftop solar systems​

The federal tax credit for purchase and installation of residential solar energy systems has been increased from 26% to 30% and extended through 2032. That means that a homeowner who spends, for example, $20,000 on a solar system at any time over the next 10 years will be able to subtract $6,000 from the taxes they owe for that year.

Before the new law was enacted, the credit was set to be reduced to 23% in 2023 and eliminated the following year.

The 30% tax credit took effect immediately and can be applied retroactively to installations since Jan. 1.

There’s no cap on how much a solar system can cost to be eligible for the 30% credit. If you spend $100,000 on your system, for example, you’ll get a $30,000 credit. It’s a nonrefundable tax credit, though, meaning you won’t get a $25,000 refund if your tax bill is only $5,000. But, continuing our example, you will be able to carry forward that remaining $25,000 credit and spread it over future tax years through 2032.

Backup battery storage​

Starting next year, homeowners with existing solar systems will be able to claim a 30% tax credit for adding a backup storage system with a capacity of at least three kilowatt hours.

Erin Hellkamp, spokeswoman for Solar United Neighbors, a non-profit that amasses groups of homeowners to negotiate bulk deals with solar installers, said the tax credit can also be claimed by homeowners who install backup battery systems without solar panels. Standalone systems can be used to keep power flowing during outages or to cut costs in areas where utilities charge higher rates during peak-usage periods.

Electric and ‘clean’ vehicles​

Effective on the day President Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, a $7,500 tax credit for purchase of new electric vehicles has been extended through 2032, while buyers of used electric vehicles can get a credit for 30% of the purchase price up to $4,000 starting Jan. 1.

The credit can also be applied to models that meet the government’s definition of “clean” vehicles, including plug-in hybrids with four to seven kilowatt hours of battery capacity, and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.

However, some new electric vehicles previously eligible for the credit will no longer be eligible, and consumers will have to do some homework to figure out whether specific vehicles on an eligibility list released Tuesday by the U.S. Department of Energy actually qualify for the credit.

The list shows models that likely meet a new requirement: Only models that undergo final assembly in North America are eligible for the tax credit.

But models on the list aren’t guaranteed to be eligible because some models are assembled in multiple locations.

To ensure eligibility of any specific vehicle on the list, buyers must look up the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) using the department’s online VIN Decoder at www.nhtsa.gov/vin-decoder, then locate the final assembly location in the “Plant Information” field at the bottom of the page. The final assembly location might also be available on an information label affixed to the vehicle, usually on the inner frame of the driver door.

In addition, some of the most popular electric vehicle models on the list aren’t eligible for the credit for the rest of 2022 because they have already reached a sales cap of 200,000 units. These include 2022 models Chevrolet Bolt EV, Chevrolet Bolt EUV, GMC Hummer Pickup, GMC Hummer SUV, and Teslas models 3, S, X and Y, plus 2023 models Chevy Bolt EV and Cadillac Lyriq.

That leaves 21 eligible vehicles, including plug-in hybrids, as long as they pass the VIN lookup test, including Audi Q5, BMW 3-series Plug-In, BMW X5, Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, Fort F Series, Ford Mustang MACH E, Jeep Grand Cherokee PHEV, Nissan Leaf, Lincoln Aviator PHEV and others.

The manufacturer sales cap will be lifted at the end of the year, reinstating eligibility for the Chevy Bolts, the Teslas, the GMC Hummers and Cadillac Lyriq.

Buyers who signed a written binding contract for a no-longer-eligible vehicle prior to Aug. 16 but have not yet taken delivery will still be able to claim a $7,500 tax credit for that vehicle.

Beginning in 2024, buyers will be able to transfer their credit to the dealer at the point of purchase and take advantage of the price reduction immediately.

Additional requirements will be phased in beginning next year. One will remove eligibility of cars with a manufacturer’s suggested list price (MDRP) of more than $55,000 and trucks with MSRPs of more than $80,000. Another new rule will restrict who can take the credit to single filers making less than $150,000, single heads of households making less than $225,000 and married couples making less than $300,000.

Energy Efficient Home Improvement Credit​

Home improvement credits will change significantly from 2022 to 2023.

For the remainder of 2022, the new law revives a 10% credit for specific energy-efficient improvements, including insulation, roofs, doors, and windows. Homeowners could claim credits totaling no more than $500 over their lifetime for qualifying water heaters, heat pumps, central air conditioning systems, air circulating fans, hot water heaters, and hot water boilers.

Starting in 2023, the credit will be increased to 30% of the cost of qualifying improvements made during the year, and consumers will be able to claim up to $1,200 a year for their improvements, creating an incentive to spread them out over coming years to maximize savings.

Annual tax credit limits will apply for specific improvements, including $150 for a home energy audit; $250 for an exterior door ($500 for all exterior doors); $600 for exterior windows and skylights, central air conditioners; $600 for electric panels; $600 for natural gas, propane or oil water heaters; and $600 for natural gas, propane, or oil furnaces or hot water boilers.

An exception to the $1,200 annual cap will be a $2,000 credit for electric or natural gas heat pumps (heaters and air conditioners) — electric or natural gas heat pump water heaters, and biomass stoves and boilers.

Rebate programs​

It’s anyone’s guess as to when rebates funded by the Inflation Reduction Act will be made available to consumers. A $4.3 billion program called High Efficiency Electric Home Rebates is being laid on the shoulders of individual states to figure out how to run, with guidance from the federal government. Floridians who waited to apply for federal COVID-19 assistance for renters and homeowners know it can take months for states to figure out how to distribute large tranches of federal money.

It remains to be seen whether homeowners will be able to claim rebates for the same improvements incentivized with federal tax credits or state-funded rebates, Consumer Reports stated in a recent story.

Once up and running, the rebate program will provide up to $14,000 over 10 years for energy-efficiency improvements by households making between 80% and 150% of their area’s median income.

Available rebates will include up to $8,000 for a heat pump (air conditioner and heater); $1,600 for insulation, air sealing and ventilation; $1,750 for a heat pump water heater; and $840 for an electric range or electric heat pump clothes drier. Older homes will need to upgrade their electrical systems to handle the new equipment, so the program will also offer rebates up to $4,000 for upgrades to a home’s electrical panel and service and $2,500 for wiring.

Households making between 80% and 150% of their area’s median income will qualify for a rebate of 50% of their purchase and installation cost, up to the limits listed above. Households making less than 80% of their area’s median income can get up to 100% of their project costs.

States will also administer a separate $4.3 billion rebate program, called Home Owner Managing Energy Savings (HOMES) program, that will provide rebates based on the percentage of total energy savings achieved with retrofits.
 
Because moving off of fossil fuels makes more sense than marginal differences in efficiency for environmental & strategic (OPEC) reasons

No one I know of is mandating "only heat pumps"...that has been the decision for new development in a growing number of cities....but none of them outlaw the homeowner of a adding backup system (electric or gas)
Because you’re not reading the bill and the DOE sub-reports as far as the bill requirements - why am I not surprised….

PS: the burning of natural gas fossil fuels increase global warming potential MORE or LESS than the electricity provided to a heat pump

Including the power plant generating electricity, the burning of fossil fuel for heat in a home is MORE or LESS energy efficient than electric heat pumps?

this should be fun
 
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Because you’re not reading the bill and the DOE sub-reports as far as the bill requirements - why am I not surprised….

OK...let's stop right there

Please show us the language in the new law that mandates heat pumps and doesn't allow for backup systems

The Inflation Reduction Act doesn't mandate anything about equipment
It offers discount incentives

Do you really feel the need to blatantly lie to try and make a point?

PS: the burning of natural gas fossil fuels increase global warming potential MORE or LESS than the electricity provided to a heat pump

natural gas can be either....

Depends on the source of the electricity...Low or zero emission sources can make it cleaner than natural gas


Including the power plant generating electricity, the burning of fossil fuel for heat in a home is MORE or LESS energy efficient than electric heat pumps?

Who says you have to generate electricity at a power plant?
Heard of solar panels?

Do you amuse yourself with loaded questions rather than admit the truth about clean energy sources?


this should be fun
 
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