You are full of shit. The PA SOS overruled the PA legislatures protocol. GD, what a moron. I don't even live there and know this.
Oh, and my neighbor IS from PA. He knows. We discussed this at length. 😂Happy QAnon Inauguration Day 😂😂😂
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Oh, and my neighbor IS from PA. He knows. We discussed this at length. 😂
It's not that fvcking hard.
Never hear any bitching about:
Purchasing alcohol
Purchasing cigarettes
Purchase an Obama phone
Applying for food stamps
Opening a bank account
Applying for welfare
Entry into the Democrat National Convention
Applying for medicaid or social security
Applying for a job (oh my! lol)
Rent or buy a house
Rent or buy a car
Get on a plane
Get married
Buy a gun (big LOL Chicago!)
Rent a motel room
Hold a rally or protest 😂
WTF?? Lamest fvcking excuse on earth. You can't do SHIT without an ID. But you can vote!
But none of that is constitutionally protected. There are poor people in this world of all creeds. To tell them they can't vote because they can't afford an ID is against the constitution. To tell someone they can't get a car because they don't have an ID is not against the constitution. I am for having an ID. Stop looking for reasons to argue.
You are full of shit. The PA SOS overruled the PA legislatures protocol. GD, what a moron. I don't even live there and know this.
That's not true. Even Toomey said it's not true but you're an extremist, so whatever. I ask you this question, why isn't the far right complaining about Iowa, Montana, Idaho, Oklahoma and Missouri? They all did exactly what Georgia and Michigan did.
Riddle me this genius? Poor people? How do they apply for welfare without one?
You are full of shit. 😂
“The Pennsylvania General Assembly expanded early voting options, but then made clear that all ballots should be received by Election Day,” Schmidt explained. “The Pennsylvania Supreme Court rewrote that law. They created an overtime — extended the period of time by which those ballots can be received.”
The amicus brief urges the Supreme Court to take up two joint cases against Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar (D-Pa.), namely Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Boockvar and Joseph Scarnati et al. v. Boockvar.
The Pennsylvania GOP and Scarnati allege that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court violated the Constitution when it extended the deadline to receive ballots. While the state legislature mandated that ballots must be received by 8 p.m. on Election Day, the court ordered the state to extend the deadline to receive ballots by three days. The court also ordered the state to accept ballots during that window even if they were not post-marked.
The U.S. Supreme Court refused to take up the Pennslyvania GOP’s request to roll back the overreach before the election, but Associate Justice Samuel Alito ordered Pennsylvania county boards of election to segregate the ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day. The secretary of state in Pennsylvania had issued guidance to that effect, but Alito gave force to that guidance.
Schmidt, the Missouri attorney general, briefly laid out his case against the state Supreme Court’s order, calling it a “violation of federalism and separation of powers” and an attack against “election integrity in the broadest sense.”
Forgot to add, I hate RINOs even more than Dims. Traitors to America, all of them.
I have complete disdain for RINOS like the POS turncoat coward McConnell. He and his band of RINOS are traitors.
Riddle me this genius? Poor people? How do they apply for welfare without one?
You don't need a state issued ID to apply for welfare. You are misinformed.
I remember that but that had no impact on the outcome. Trump had lost before those votes were counted and lastly, the state Supreme Court deemed it ok. Once again, what about those other states?
You are a loon. I've worked for HUD before. How the fvck did you think they get on the wait list to get into public housing?
I’m talking mass mail ballots, I’m talking no more machines, nothing that can be compromised or hooked up to the internet.
Honest free and fair elections
You are a loon. I've worked for HUD before. How the fvck did you think they get on the wait list to get into public housing?
Can you please relax with the name calling? You don't need a state issued ID.
HR1 requires paper ballots for every election even if you use machines. That would insure that all votes were probably counted. Sounds like you should read it. It's not perfect but it's really good to me.
So you’re argument is that because because ID’s are not listed in the constitution, we should offer free ID’s or let everyone vote?
You MUST provide a driver's license or state issued ID.
What Documents Will I Need?
Once your name comes to the top of the waiting list, our Compliance Department will contact you and set up an appointment to complete your application and submit the necessary documents.
It is CRUCIAL that you keep your contact information updated in your online application so that we can reach you when that time comes.
You must bring these items with you to your appointment in order to be seen:
- You last 4 consecutive pay check stubs, or a notarized statement of your proof of income
- Social Security award letter
- Most recent bank statement
- Child Support form completed from the Child Support Office
- Award letter for Food Stamps and/or TANF
- Photo ID for every member of the household 18 years and older
- Birth Certificates for every member of the household
- Social Security Cards for every member of the household
You don’t get it. Hang with me for three short paragraphs.
The Party sticks together no matter what. The main reason for this is their end goal is the same even if they argue around the margins. Establishment Republicans have very much the same goal. These are lifelong politicians who know the more powerful and further they set the ruling class ahead of the common people the more power, money and influence they can garner. Just look at how rich some of the lifers in congress are when they retire.
Because of that dynamic the biggest threat in the world is some outsider winning the presidency in his first political election of his life. He’s a rich asshole, unpolished, gives AF about being politically correct and is always unapologetic and he can’t be bought. He’s erratic and unpredictable and threatens the status quo that they thrive upon.
So, he must be stopped. People like Kemp, Wolf, Reffensberger(sp) et al quickly discard their political principles and party if it can preserve their way of life. Getting rid of Trump will play well with the top of both tickets. It’s how many humans would act, especially those with the intelligence, ego and aspirational attitude to raise money and run for (and win an) office.
Not sure how familiar you are with the constitution but requiring someone to "purchase" something before they are allowed to vote can be seen as a poll tax, something that was deemed unconstitutional by multiple courts decades ago.
Yes, I am for everyone over the age of 17 and legal US citizens voting. Are you not?
You MUST provide a driver's license or state issued ID.
What Documents Will I Need?
Once your name comes to the top of the waiting list, our Compliance Department will contact you and set up an appointment to complete your application and submit the necessary documents.
It is CRUCIAL that you keep your contact information updated in your online application so that we can reach you when that time comes.
You must bring these items with you to your appointment in order to be seen:
- You last 4 consecutive pay check stubs, or a notarized statement of your proof of income
- Social Security award letter
- Most recent bank statement
- Child Support form completed from the Child Support Office
- Award letter for Food Stamps and/or TANF
- Photo ID for every member of the household 18 years and older
- Birth Certificates for every member of the household
- Social Security Cards for every member of the household
I stand corrected. Photo ID and State issued ID are not the same. How do you think illegals get welfare?
I don't believe people should stick with any party no matter what. When you do that, you are surrendering you're right to be a free thinker. I'll never do that. I am my own man.
They get an ID? Damn Einstein. Is that too big an inconvenience to vote? The most important thing you can do in a Democratic Republic? It's so easy even Bigfoot can do it.
But that's NOT what this is all about is it? Nosirree. No verification means fraudulent elections. You are onboard with this.
When you start giving free things away, you open yourself up to more fraud.
What I want is a way to verify a legal voter, paper only ballots, state legislatures determining voting laws (not federal government), signature verification on all ballots, no voting machines.
What I don’t want is the fiasco that happened in November hidden behind a pandemic. That is what HR1 is, it’s a power grab and a way to ensure one party stays in power.
They resent the whole premise behind elections. Look, they don’t believe they should have to persuade anybody to agree with them. Therefore, they don’t believe in campaigns. They don’t believe in the free, open exchange of ideas. There aren’t any legitimate ideas outside of their own.
They don’t believe in giving legitimacy to anybody who is not already on their side. So if this is who they are psychologically — if they have no interest in persuading people, if they have no interest in acquiring power as a result of massive public support — then who are they? What are they? They want power simply to have it. They don’t want it to derive from the people.
They can’t persuade a majority of Americans to support Black Lives Matter. They can’t persuade a majority of Americans to support burning down American cities and private property. They can’t persuade a majority of Americans to go along with their ideas on guns and eliminating free speech. They can’t persuade anybody to agree with that!
But they resent the hell out of it. And in their world, it’s the one thing standing in their way: This need, this requirement to win elections. And I’m just telling you: As soon as they can figure out a way to eliminate elections, they will do it, ’cause they resent the hell out of it.
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How would a free ID lead to more fraud? You would register the same way. You'll still need to provide a social security card and/or birth certificate. I'm confused by that statement.
If you are an American, you are a legal voter right? I am with you about paper ballots, signature verification need to allowed but I fear that it's too subjective. The signature will always match when it's your party vote. We need a better way to do that. You seem like a fair guy. I hope you don't believe in purging voters or fear that more voting will hurt your party.
You should actually read HR1. Ignore that a Democrat wrote it because I hate to tell you, but you agree with a lot of stuff in there.
My opinion and I could be wrong, but because you're a republican and Republican elected officials are telling people to not like it, you think you shouldn't like it.
Every party does it. The democrats did it with Trump tax plan. Obstruction is what the minority party at that time does.
I think BOTH sides hate elections when they lose. It's pretty sad. The only way democracy works is if one side accepts a loss, when they loss. People said Trump stole the election from Crooked Hilary then Trump said Biden stole the election from him. We need to end that cycle.
Your argument is free ID’s, right? Earlier you said that poor people should be allowed to vote, I agree. They still have to pay to get a social security card or birth certificate. The next step will be to give those out for free. So now we’re giving out for free the essential papers that prove you are a citizen in order to vote, right? So now you’re flooding the DMV system with paperwork that may or may not get verified because the ID requests are extremely high. See the issue? Now multiply that by 50 states, your fraud risk goes through the roof.
I’ve read pieces of it, as soon as I read “let’s mail everyone a vote”, I’m out. Mass mail voting was the biggest crock of shit ever, you’ll never change my mind on that.
I think states need to have mandatory voter roll updates. Addresses have to be verified, I don’t think registering a residence in a field or a parking lot should be
I don’t buy the “signatures are hard to verify” argument. It’s the one thing you do over and over and over again. Now if you want to talk blockchain as a security measure then I’m game on that.
There's quite a difference. Russians don't vote in American elections. That whole BS was media and Hildibeast driven, and given credence by a corrupt CIA and FBI. There was no fraudulent voting in 2016, or the Skankipotimus would have won. Democrats hadn't figured out how to generate voter mail fraud yet, it took a pandemic as the excuse and Dominion hadn't secured enough .Gov contracts yet. It took a concerted effort to use a pandemic to allow that process and now the Dimtards are trying push shove mail voting down EVERY state's throats with HR1.
See post above. Rush Limbaugh was dead center correct and nailed it.
Birth certificate and Social Security cards are free already. Sounds like you believe that if you can't afford to buy an ID then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. That would purge voters, something I'm not a fan of. That would impact poor whites and blacks.
HR1 doesn't not call for mass mail in voting. Not sure where you read that at but that's not accurate.
The voter roll should be address. I agree with that.
Signature verification relays way too much on subjective, which means a greater chance of human error. I saw that georgia will now require a notary for Signatures on mail in ballots. I like that idea more than partisan people deciding if a Signature is legit.
What in the actual fvck?
Registering kids to vote
mandates that states allow all felons to vote.
exerting government control over political speech
mandates same-day voter registration and would obliterate state registration procedures
H.R. 1 would nullify state laws that permit election observers to work as partners with election officials to file a formal challenge to a suspicious voter registration.
H.R. 1 would criminalize protected political speech
But the biggest prize in H.R. 1 is to restore Justice Department approval powers over state election law changes
And the last one is the biggie. States cracking down on voter fraud by stopping willy nilly mail voting for no damn good reason, voter ID, and purging voter rolls of dead people and those no longer residents.
You aren't a moderate. You are a false flag, a wolf lefty troll pretending to be a Dimtard sheep. You are worse than BSC, he's a fry cook. SoDullNull is a retard. But you are evil, you are the wizard of Oz behind the curtain, pulling the levers and telling anyone who'll believe you that you are moderate. I've seen and dealt with your ilk before. You fool no one. You should run for mayor of Gainesville. Not that long ago they caught that mayor at a rest stop off I 75 servicing a glory hole. You might be mayor material.😂
Here is what scares me about this bill:
Removes validation for legitimate reasons for mail in ballots except a signature
Overrides state legislatures constitutional guarantee in favor of the federal government to change election practices.
Allows additional 10 days to receive ballots
Convicted felons can vote which is contradicts the 14th amendment
Allows nation wide ballot harvesting
Violates separation of powers by creating committees to conduct code of conduct inquiries (nothing to do with voting)
First amendment violation (gives the federal government power to control political free speech)
The cherry on top... the guy that created this bill didn’t vote for it because his constituents didn’t approve (hats off to the man for actually listening to his constituents)
Copies of birth certificates and social security cards have fees in order to get a copy.
Like nav said you are full of chit and misrepresented what happened. Election law in PA was changed without the legislatures approval. I have seen you on here enough before to know you also are not a moderate. Just own what you are
They did not change election laws. It was just the issue of receiving mail in ballots pass election day. The Supreme Court said count them separately. Trump lost the PA election BEFORE those votes were counted. So what LAWS were changed?
John Lewis passed away before he got a chance to vote on the bill. He was sick.
I am not a fan of the Federal government taking away the legislators rights but it's happen before. The 1965 voting rights act that forced states to allow blacks to vote, same with woman. The Supreme Court upheld those. States can be bad too now.
Felons voting should have a path to voting. Every time it's voted on by the people it wins and I'm talking Red/Blue States.
That 10 day rule is bad and needs to go. Only allow it for military ballots.
There is no attack on freedom of speech in that bill. That is inaccurate. Definitely don't know where that came from.
The committee is only for redistricting. Something that both parties take advantage of. It eliminates one party creating districts, so they can remain in power. You don't like that?
Here you go. My guess is that you, Mr. Moderate, are playing semantics, but I will highlight one of many key paragraphs from the link.
“Several states changed their voting laws prior to the 2020 United States presidential election to make postal voting easier, due to fears that in-person voting would expose people to COVID-19. Numerous legal challenges to voting changes were raised across the country. A number of these cases involved voting regulations that were altered by states' executive branches and not by state legislatures. In Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas claimed that such alterations violated Article Two of the United States Constitution.”[12]
Texas v. Pennsylvania - Wikipedia
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I’m pretty sure the left is laughing at those idiots. Not fearing them. Oh, but wait, they’re REALLY almost sure it will be March 20th now. You’re not very perceptive at all.
Anyone wanting Trump back in the WH deserves all the ridicule that gets dumped on them.
You voted for someone with Dementia. The media knew, and kept it from you. They fooled you, which makes you a.....😂😂
Here you go. My guess is that you, Mr. Moderate, are playing semantics, but I will highlight one of many key paragraphs from the link.
Several states changed their voting laws prior to the 2020 United States presidential election to make postal voting easier, due to fears that in-person voting would expose people to COVID-19. Numerous legal challenges to voting changes were raised across the country. A number of these cases involved voting regulations that were altered by states' executive branches and not by state legislatures. In Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas claimed that such alterations violated Article Two of the United States Constitution.[12]
Texas v. Pennsylvania - Wikipedia
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So you sent me exactly what the guy and I said. It was about mail in voting. Which once again was separated and Trump had already lost before those votes were counted.
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