Go figure, Biden’s sanctions are working

[gator1776]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

 

[BillCutting4585]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

 

[nail1988]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

not sure if serious?

 

[gator1776]

not sure if serious?

Shhh

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

Hard to believe this is the same guy who effed up the Afghanistan pullout so royally.

I wonder if older guys may actually be more clear-eyed about dealing with Russia due to having come of age during the Cold War, as opposed to newer threats in the Middle East. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks, but those old tricks still come in handy every now and then.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Hard to believe this is the same guy who effed up the Afghanistan pullout so royally.

I wonder if older guys may actually be more clear-eyed about dealing with Russia due to having come of age during the Cold War, as opposed to newer threats in the Middle East. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks, but those old tricks still come in handy every now and then.

Brandon is not great at pulling out, the proof is in Hunter 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I think some of the euphoria is premature.

Russia can get slaughtered 10-1 and still win this due to the overwhelming manpower advantage. I think it’s very plausible that Putin is desperate enough to accept this ratio if necessary. Putin may also decide that more civilian deaths are acceptable if it speeds things up.

 

[Gator Fever]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

Lol the sanctions aren't stopping anything.

 

[gator1776]

I think some of the euphoria is premature.

Russia can get slaughtered 10-1 and still win this due to the overwhelming manpower advantage. I think it’s very plausible that Putin is desperate enough to accept this ratio if necessary. Putin may also decide that more civilian deaths are acceptable if it speeds things up.

Depends on what you mean by win and what the end game is. If the endgame is to install a puppet regime and pull Ukraine closer to Russia I don’t see how he can do that anymore. If his plan is total conquest of Ukraine he doesn’t have the forces to do it. I really don’t know what his endgame is. I don’t see the Ukrainians Surrendering so I just don’t know how he wins this. Even if you slaughters the Ukrainian population he doesn’t win. He entered into a no-win situation so long as the Ukrainians resisted.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

It's really Germany that made the difference with the sanctions. Until a week ago, they were still going ahead with Nord Stream 2 and preventing allies from supplying weapons to Ukraine.

I don't know how much of the problem was Angela Merkel or if it was just German politics in general. If she was still in power, I wonder if she would still be going ahead with Nord Stream 2.

 

[Gator Fever]

Depends on what you mean by win and what the end game is. If the endgame is to install a puppet regime and pull Ukraine closer to Russia I don’t see how he can do that anymore. If his plan is total conquest of Ukraine he doesn’t have the forces to do it. I really don’t know what his endgame is. I don’t see the Ukrainians Surrendering so I just don’t know how he wins this. Even if you slaughters the Ukrainian population he doesn’t win. He entered into a no-win situation so long as the Ukrainians resisted.

My guess is his end game is a minimum of assurances of no NATO membership for Ukraine and no big military buildup after withdrawing to Russia favoring regions there that he will probably take eventually like Crimea. He will probably demand and end to some sanctions also.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Depends on what you mean by win and what the end game is. If the endgame is to install a puppet regime and pull Ukraine closer to Russia I don’t see how he can do that anymore. If his plan is total conquest of Ukraine he doesn’t have the forces to do it. I really don’t know what his endgame is. I don’t see the Ukrainians Surrendering so I just don’t know how he wins this. Even if you slaughters the Ukrainian population he doesn’t win. He entered into a no-win situation so long as the Ukrainians resisted.

I hope you're right. But the combination of sunk cost fallacy and traditional Russian brutality may create a toxic brew here.

If Putin decides that he must have Ukraine at any cost, he could use scorched earth tactics and brutal suppression to get it. He's already done it in Syria and Chechnya. The West thought Assad was toast a decade ago. He's still there.

 

[BCSpell]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

It’s not the sanctions that Biden/US put in place. Those are like a slap on the hand. It’s what the rest of the world is doing including Germany, England, Shell Oil, etc.

 

[gator1776]

It’s not the sanctions that Biden/US put in place. Those are like a slap on the hand. It’s what the rest of the world is doing including Germany, England, Shell Oil, etc.

No shit Sherlock

 

[jfegaly]

 

[instaGATOR]

Switzerland is ditching its deep-rooted tradition of neutrality and adopting the European Union’s sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. Switzerland plans to immediately freeze the assets of Putin; his prime minister, Mikhail V. Mishustin; Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov; and 367 other individuals who were personally sanctioned by the EU last week.

Switzerland joins EU sanctions on Russia, breaking neutral posture

Switzerland is ditching its posture of neutrality and adopting the European Union’s sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.

nypost.com

 

[BCSpell]

 

[BCSpell]

 

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[Capt Ron 1]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

Can you enlighten what sanctions are working? And how you came to that conclusion? I need to know, because after 48 years in political office, I would like to know he got ONE thing right. America has the least sanctions of all the major players...Canada even shut their oil off. So please, what sanction that he has imposed has helped, and how. I am pulling for Ukraine here big time, and unlike the snowflake crowd wish our President success, because I love our Country. And I truly want to hear info that I have not seen yet

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I think some of the euphoria is premature.

Russia can get slaughtered 10-1 and still win this due to the overwhelming manpower advantage. I think it’s very plausible that Putin is desperate enough to accept this ratio if necessary. Putin may also decide that more civilian deaths are acceptable if it speeds things up.

There is more to it that just winning the immediate war...there WILL be a VERY organized insurgency. Secondly, in my many decades on this planet, I have never seen the world come together against one side like it has this time...even in WWII. This war is FAR from being over

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Depends on what you mean by win and what the end game is. If the endgame is to install a puppet regime and pull Ukraine closer to Russia I don’t see how he can do that anymore. If his plan is total conquest of Ukraine he doesn’t have the forces to do it. I really don’t know what his endgame is. I don’t see the Ukrainians Surrendering so I just don’t know how he wins this. Even if you slaughters the Ukrainian population he doesn’t win. He entered into a no-win situation so long as the Ukrainians resisted.

I agree with this...I do not think he can win the end game. not how things are tacking up.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

It's really Germany that made the difference with the sanctions. Until a week ago, they were still going ahead with Nord Stream 2 and preventing allies from supplying weapons to Ukraine.

I don't know how much of the problem was Angela Merkel or if it was just German politics in general. If she was still in power, I wonder if she would still be going ahead with Nord Stream 2.

Hell yes she would.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

It’s not the sanctions that Biden/US put in place. Those are like a slap on the hand. It’s what the rest of the world is doing including Germany, England, Shell Oil, etc.

To this point, this is exactly how I see it. America is usually LEADING these kind of things, now Germany, France and Canada beat us to the punch. Remember, the Biden crime family has been VERY handsomely compensated by Russia and China. (and even Ukraine) Someone needs to tell the stupid SOB that Russian oil causes global warming just as much as US oil does(zero in my opinion).

 

[Orangeclad]

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I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

How about the sanction of cutting off Russian oil coming in here. When is this worthless pos president gonna use that sanction. So this president can't increase our own oil production because he's scared to death of a little girl named AOC and her ilk? Wow, what a he man.
And Biden was a FOLLOWER on SWIFT, not a leader. Waited till Europe went first. Hell, bin Laden would still be alive if left up to Biden. Ask Obama.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

Wait...how are they working exactly?

You're assuming that the goal was NOT to get them out of Ukraine. Things aren't improving in Ukraine. Quite the opposite in fact.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I think some of the euphoria is premature.

Russia can get slaughtered 10-1 and still win this due to the overwhelming manpower advantage. I think it’s very plausible that Putin is desperate enough to accept this ratio if necessary. Putin may also decide that more civilian deaths are acceptable if it speeds things up.

^^ Post from Monday appears to be accurate on Thursday.

 

[jfegaly]

Wait...how are they working exactly?

You're assuming that the goal was NOT to get them out of Ukraine. Things aren't improving in Ukraine. Quite the opposite in fact.

Well, he is consistently wrong at least. He has a track record, and it isn’t good. It’s why @NavigatorII mentioned him having message board leprosy

 

[Gator Fever]

With China and company trying to weaken the power of the dollar as the reserve currency I think we might be weakened as a the main world power some if some of these sanctions are in place too long and maybe even if they aren't in place that long. China rising like they are really complicates things.

 

[instaGATOR]

BAN ALL TRADE WITH RUSSIA & CHINA.

Leave the communist dic-taters to trade with each other....

 

[Gator Fever]

BAN ALL TRADE WITH RUSSIA & CHINA.

Leave the communist dic-taters to trade with each other....

You have to play the game some or you will weaken your future power with other countries you may need negotiating power with.

 

[instaGATOR]

You have to play the game some or you will weaken your future power with other countries you may need negotiating power with.

So you believe that it makes good sense to continue to send both of them hundreds or BILLIONS of dollars that they are/will use to pay for the sledgehammer that they are/will be beating us over the head with????

 

[Gator Fever]

So you believe that it makes good sense to continue to send both of them hundreds or BILLIONS of dollars that they are/will use to pay for the sledgehammer that they are/will be beating us over the head with????

I say you have to play the game some. For instance the more the dollar's status as the reserve currency is weakened the less power the US has. Another crazy thing is talk of sanctioning India for not sanctioning Russia - that would be a very naive move to make. All some moves would do is help China rise even faster.

 

[instaGATOR]

Sorry fever, but U.S. power does not depend on the Corrupt Bankers or the Fed's printed interest bearing Monopoly dollars. (Secrets of the Federal Reserve - Eustace Mullins)

Our POWER rests with it's Sovereign Citizens, just like it always has, IF we're smart enough to use it properly...

 

[Gator Fever]

Sorry fever, but U.S. power does not depend on the Corrupt Bankers or the Fed's printed interest bearing Monopoly dollars. (Secrets of the Federal Reserve - Eustace Mullins)

Our POWER rests with it's Sovereign Citizens, just like it always has, IF we're smart enough to use it properly...

Think that all you want. It ties your power down a lot when the reserve currency status continues to weaken and I hope our idiot administration isnt foolish enough to get India not willing to cooperate with us.

 

[instaGATOR]

Think that all you want. It ties your power down a lot when the reserve currency status continues to weaken and I hope our idiot administration isnt foolish enough to get India not willing to cooperate with us.

Foreign dept and the soaring Federal deficit are where the problem lies.
Read the book and then get back to me on this subject....

 

[Gator Fever]

Foreign dept and the soaring Federal deficit are where the problem lies.
Read the book and then get back to me on this subject....

I know that but reserve currency status gives you a lot of negotiating power against other countries and that is starting to wane big time now.

 

[Gator Fever]

I have to admit some of China's stuff is kind of funny in a way. We see Twitter wont remove China's stuff either like they will conservative viewpoints.

 

[greyghost14]

I know that but reserve currency status gives you a lot of negotiating power against other countries and that is starting to wane big time now.

Reopen domestic oil/gas/coal energy production, put it into warp speed, become once again energy independent and a net exporter of energy and the status of the US dollar will reign supreme for another 100 years.

But Robinette won't do that, he'd rather shrivel the US dollar and purchase more oil from Russia, Iran and OPEC.

 

[Orangeclad]

I mean God forbid we ever equate any success to the guy, but could this have been some master plan to get Russia trapped in a quagmire and destroy their economy at the same time? Seems like they’ve been developing a concise and highly effective sanctions planned since November coordinated with all the other countries in Europe.

And the purpose of the sanctions are to do what?