Franks
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If we did the unthinkable and lost to Colorado State we will see Trask. Regardless I think we see him by the LSU game either due to Franks play or Franks going down with an injury. I doubt Franks can stay healthy a whole season in this system.
Franks would look better if we could block....run or pass....I will take either.
Franks did not lose that game. We didn’t run (inexplicably) and we didn’t tackle. That is why we lost.
Don't blame him for the loss but he sure tried giving that game away a few times in the 4th quarter. He will never be a QB that you can ride to a victory when the running game and defense aren't clicking decent.
We play a team coming up this week that sucks against the run and suck running the ball themselves so I hope Mullen doesn't try to get cute again and think he can use first down to mostly try and build some confidence for Franks.
Well, down 2 scores late, and not even trying to run, KY knew the deal. Franks was not the reason we lost, but he wasn’t great either.
That was a total team failure from top to bottom.
Not sure where they go from here, but sadgator fears they might fold. They are all pretty mentally fragile. That much is clear now.
That was a total team failure from top to bottom.
Not sure where they go from here, but sadgator fears they might fold. They are all pretty mentally fragile. That much is clear now.
How could anybody watch that game and think QB was the problem? The first few passes he got clobbered and even the announcers were talking about how we were letting people free on 3-man rushes. That continued the rest of the night. Our first few 3rd down conversions were entirely because Franks extended the plays. Going into the 4th we had like 50 yards rushing. Throw in Mullen’s 38 pass attempts and the game was entirely on his shoulders. So unless Franks is going to get this pu**y oline to pass protect and run block changing the QB ain’t going to improve a damn thing. Trask would get globbered behind that line.
Franks made mistakes but he’s the only reason we were even in the game offensively. The oline was terrible in both facets and so was the game plan. We pretty much gave up running in the second half and were dropping back just about every play. Kentucky then just teed off on us and what you saw is a QB throwing under the pressure with a defense knowing we’re going to throw. All the plays we made on offense was Franks ad libbing.
I don't think he is that good and he had decent time on quite a few plays actually when you compare it to watching other college games. He is just not the type of guy that can buy that extra second and consistently hit passes downfield. I doubt things change much with Trask however.
I was shocked how that KY QB got his key plays despite having a few screwups after watching him last week. It seemed Central Michigan must have had more of a controlled pass rush because he wasn't escaping much on them like that when they came after him.
He had decent protection in the first half, almost none in the second. Some of that is on Mullen because he completely abandoned the run and Kentucky knowing we wouldn’t run just dialed up the pressure. And he just kept calling more passes downfield like we’d have the time to complete it. Disaster all the way around.
The announcers also noted how poor a passer Franks was, how he missed so often. So there's that. I just think he's too dumb to be a consistent winner. This is the guy that runs out of bounds when behind the line of scrimmage instead of throwing the ball away. He's also the guy that had a sure 2 point conversion last night on a wide open player but chose to go through his progressions to a guy who wasn't really open. He's just a dumb guy, and dumb can't be fixed. Sorry. He's a likeable kid, but let's call a spade a spade.
Not going to go there but he doesn't have the instincts for the position it appears even with better coaching. He has cut back on some of his mess however like running out of bounds constantly 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
You guys always focus on one or two plays instead of seeing the whole picture. The 2-point conversion was an awful decision, agreed. But who drove the team 99 yards to score to begin with? Who ran for 20 yards on 3rd and forever to get us in a manageable position to convert on 4th? Who threw a perfect pass on the 4th to convert? He wasn’t the issue last night.
I know you will have the defense drop some but he also tried to give the ball to KY twice on that drive and another time in that 4th quarter but they didn't take advantage. I still blame the lack of a running game and defense mostly for the loss since it was KY however.
A lot of arguments about what to do at QB but my guess is if things continue this way an injury might force the change and you make a good point about not putting the true freshman in too early as the starter. If we totally fall apart there would be no expectations at all however and you could get him some experience. Maybe just start bringing him in some to run some packages or something.
I wanted Jones to start game 1, I no longer even want him playing. That oline is worse than I could imagine them being, which is saying a lot considering how bad they were a year ago. Jones would be ruined. Franks is a big dude at 6’6, 240 and even he was getting up limping a few times last night. Throw in the fact that Mullen runs his QB’s a lot and he’d really take a pounding.
Franks had a solid 1st half, OK 2nd half, but he was getting hit the entire game and that takes a toll. We have significantly upgraded the RB & WR positions, but last night proved that it doesn't matter when there's no O-line. The reason the SEC rose to prominence in the 90's to the present is they had dominant offensive and defensive lines. Florida is lacking in both right now. The defense has to take a great portion of the blame for last night, giving up 303 yards rushing and allowing their QB all the time in the world to make plays. On top of that I saw more focused passion from Kentucky and that's with the Gator fans being extremely loud most of the game. There was just not that fire you expect to see in the Swamp. They have to decide whether last night will define their season, but it could be, as some have said, that we just don't have enough talent.
There were plenty of problems by Franks is so god damned blind and brain dead with not one ounce of touch or ****ing awareness that it's impossible to do anything with him that resembles consistency (other than consistently bad.)
oozie is so right. It is so very clear that Franks was not the problem last night. Anybody who thinks so was probably too drunk to really appreciate why we lost.
Dear village idiot jerkers, TLDNR... 
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Practice like it's a 'walk-through,' and then play like it's a 'sleep-walk-through' and you're done for...
Coaches Teach, then players play, or they just play around. The coaches can't play for the players. For right now, it's on the players way more than on the coaches imoho.
That said, if Mullen tells me one more time that Franks just missed a play or a decision here and there, I'm gonna wish that I could reach out and slap him even more than I do already. Franks is probably a nice and decent person, but as the Gator QB, he SUCKS!!! Over-throws, under-throws where receivers managed to partially save the play, locking in on one guy, while not seeing wide open receivers (Davis on the 2pt attempt), AND ON AND ON. In my own armature-know-nothing eyes, Franks makes Brantley look like the 2nd coming of Wuerffel, and Driskel look like the 2nd coming of Tebow... IF Franks is truly 'the best QB on the roster,' then I guess I'll have to console myself with looking forward to Jalon Jones arrival next season and pray that he's a good bit better...
As to Franks never losing confidence during his many losses...
Captain Ahab never lost confidence either, but the white whale still eventually ate his lunch.
Col. Custer was more than confident in his own superior tactical ability to kick those damn Indians butts.
However, Stevie Wonder knows that you don't need eyes to see reality, just a willingness to do so....
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Franks - 17 of 38, 44.7% for 2342 yds, 2 TD's, 1 Int, 2 sacks
Rushing - 11 for 44 yds, 4.0 ypc, 0 TD's
Perine - 4 for 34 yds, 8.5 ypc, 0 TDs, L-15
Rec - 1 for 18 yds (18.0)
Toney 2 for 10 yds, 5.0 ypc, 0 TD's, L-8
Rec - 2 for 35 yds. (17.5)
Davis 4 for 15 yds, 3.8 ypc, 0 TD's, L-10
Rec - 2 for 25 yds. (12.5)
Scarlett - 7 for 25 yds, 3.6 ypc, 0 TD's, L-9
Rec - 2 for 34 yds. (17.0)
~ 4th in ypc, 3rd in yds/rec
Roughly, 39 passing to 28 rushing, and Franks had 11 of the runs, so only 17 rushing attempts by the runners, and the one with the least ypc got the most (7) of those few.
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Swain - 3 for 30 yds, 10 ypr, 1 TD, L-19
Jefferson - 2 for 31 yds, 15.5 ypr, 0 TD's, L-18
Cleveland - 2 for 21 yds, 10.5 ypr, 0 TD's, L-11
Stephens - 1 for 18 yds, 18.0 ypr, 1 TD, L-18
Hammond - 1 for 11 yds, 11.0 ypr, 0 TD's, L-11
Grimes - 1 for 9 yds, 9.0 ypr, 0 TD's, L-9
Raymond - Squat, 1 drop
Lewis - Squat - ??
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Practice like it's a 'walk-through,' and then play like it's a 'sleep-walk-through' and you're done for...
Coaches Teach, then players play, or they just play around. The coaches can't play for the players. For right now, it's on the players way more than on the coaches imoho.
That said, if Mullen tells me one more time that Franks just missed a play or a decision here and there, I'm gonna wish that I could reach out and slap him even more than I do already. Franks is probably a nice and decent person, but as the Gator QB, he SUCKS!!! Over-throws, under-throws where receivers managed to partially save the play, locking in on one guy, while not seeing wide open receivers (Davis on the 2pt attempt), AND ON AND ON. In my own armature-know-nothing eyes, Franks makes Brantley look like the 2nd coming of Wuerffel, and Driskel look like the 2nd coming of Tebow... IF Franks is truly 'the best QB on the roster,' then I guess I'll have to console myself with looking forward to Jalon Jones arrival next season and pray that he's a good bit better...
As to Franks never losing confidence during his many losses...
Captain Ahab never lost confidence either, but the white whale still eventually ate his lunch.
Col. Custer was more than confident in his own superior tactical ability to kick those damn Indians butts.
However, Stevie Wonder knows that you don't need eyes to see reality, just a willingness to do so....
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Franks - 17 of 38, 44.7% for 2342 yds, 2 TD's, 1 Int, 2 sacks
Rushing - 11 for 44 yds, 4.0 ypc, 0 TD's
Perine - 4 for 34 yds, 8.5 ypc, 0 TDs, L-15
Rec - 1 for 18 yds (18.0)
Toney 2 for 10 yds, 5.0 ypc, 0 TD's, L-8
Rec - 2 for 35 yds. (17.5)
Davis 4 for 15 yds, 3.8 ypc, 0 TD's, L-10
Rec - 2 for 25 yds. (12.5)
Scarlett - 7 for 25 yds, 3.6 ypc, 0 TD's, L-9
Rec - 2 for 34 yds. (17.0)
~ 4th in ypc, 3rd in yds/rec
Roughly, 39 passing to 28 rushing, and Franks had 11 of the runs, so only 17 rushing attempts by the runners, and the one with the least ypc got the most (7) of those few.
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Swain - 3 for 30 yds, 10 ypr, 1 TD, L-19
Jefferson - 2 for 31 yds, 15.5 ypr, 0 TD's, L-18
Cleveland - 2 for 21 yds, 10.5 ypr, 0 TD's, L-11
Stephens - 1 for 18 yds, 18.0 ypr, 1 TD, L-18
Hammond - 1 for 11 yds, 11.0 ypr, 0 TD's, L-11
Grimes - 1 for 9 yds, 9.0 ypr, 0 TD's, L-9
Raymond - Squat, 1 drop
Lewis - Squat - ??
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Mmm I was very drunk.
The defensive inability to tackle was the main reason we lost.
And the absurd 10 points taken off the board because the refs called an absurd review halfway through a play that was about to be a touchdown and because they were literally the only people that didn't think McPhearson didn't make that field goal., but to act like Franks didn't start collapsing as his confidence dropped is silly as well.
He started rifling passes as hard as he could on 5 yard slants. Nobody is catching that. Throwing in 2 deep coverage.
Completely misreading the flat route in the endZone that's wide open while he tries to force a touchdown and the opposite back corner of the endZone in coverage.
All of the above leading to what?
If Franks remains the QB, then they will need to be lucky to even get a 6-6 chit-bowl.
Non-starter list:
QB Franks
RB Scarlett
TE Lewis
TE Raymond -- maybe as a FB
OG T.Jordan
OG F. Johnson
OT M.Ivey -- maybe as an OG
''This loss won't define us,'' Florida LT Martez Ivey said. (FoS, in your 4th year, yes it does bubba)
* Rebuild the OL starters list, and/or the rotation, others can't be any worse....
Two streaks took a chit. 31 over UK, and the Gators lost their SEC opener for the first time since 2004, a 13-year streak that had been the longest in school history.
The start of a new starters list:
Trask
Stephens
Perine Jr
M.Davis So
D.Pierce Fr
At least into the rotation to see...
Massey, Green, & Wells. If Green and Wells are not going to play at WR, then maybe you should give them the option of getting on the field as DB's?
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Need to get a look, or maybe a little more of a look:
CB/Slot/KR/PR Jaylin Jackson
SS A.Burney
OLB/DE L.Brunson
LB Miller
LB Houston
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They really-really miss ILB Reese, and they also miss CeCe.
It's real sad that Marco (ACL) is out for the season....
Henderson is a great cover man, but he's a chitty tackler.
He flies like lightening to the ball, then screams O'lay on the tackle, and he's not alone in that respect.
Anyone that makes a dive at the legs, but fails to wrap up and tackle, needs to ride the bench during his retraining to learn how to be a 'real' football player.
The coaching staff, from top to bottom, needs to re-evaluate who the starters are, and who gets in the rotations. IF they are not the ones (Franks Mafia and/or the Sky-Box Money-Moron) making those calls, then the current coaches won't be any more successful than the last two staffs have been. --- IF the coaches ARE making those calls, then WTFU!
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Quincy Lenton ACL, out for the season in Aug.
Shawn Davis injured and out.
C.J. McWilliams injured and out.
Marco Wilson injured out (ACL) for the season in the 1st Qtr vs UK.
Even at DB-U,,, Chit-Happens....
Jaylin Jackson also played CB and K-P returner in HS, jus-sayin...
And by gawd, if the Jr's and Sr's can't get fired up and play all out, then put the Soph's and Fr in. That way, in a year or two, you will finally have a pretty good team, otherwise, you're just killing time and wasting training time and playing experience tor the younger guys. Seniority has no place on a football team, except as a luxury when you're winning.
If Franks remains the QB, then they will need to be lucky to even get a 6-6 chit-bowl.
Non-starter list:
QB Franks
RB Scarlett
TE Lewis
TE Raymond -- maybe as a FB
OG T.Jordan
OG F. Johnson
OT M.Ivey -- maybe as an OG
''This loss won't define us,'' Florida LT Martez Ivey said. (FoS, in your 4th year, yes it does bubba)
* Rebuild the OL starters list, and/or the rotation, others can't be any worse....
Two streaks took a chit. 31 over UK, and the Gators lost their SEC opener for the first time since 2004, a 13-year streak that had been the longest in school history.
The start of a new starters list:
Trask
Stephens
Perine Jr
M.Davis So
D.Pierce Fr
At least into the rotation to see...
Massey, Green, & Wells. If Green and Wells are not going to play at WR, then maybe you should give them the option of getting on the field as DB's?
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Need to get a look, or maybe a little more of a look:
CB/Slot/KR/PR Jaylin Jackson
SS A.Burney
OLB/DE L.Brunson
LB Miller
LB Houston
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They really-really miss ILB Reese, and they also miss CeCe.
It's real sad that Marco (ACL) is out for the season....
Henderson is a great cover man, but he's a chitty tackler.
He flies like lightening to the ball, then screams O'lay on the tackle, and he's not alone in that respect.
Anyone that makes a dive at the legs, but fails to wrap up and tackle, needs to ride the bench during his retraining to learn how to be a 'real' football player.
The coaching staff, from top to bottom, needs to re-evaluate who the starters are, and who gets in the rotations. IF they are not the ones (Franks Mafia and/or the Sky-Box Money-Moron) making those calls, then the current coaches won't be any more successful than the last two staffs have been.
--- IF the coaches ARE making those calls, then WTFU! ==========
Quincy Lenton ACL, out for the season in Aug.
Shawn Davis injured and out.
C.J. McWilliams injured and out.
Marco Wilson injured out (ACL) for the season in the 1st Qtr vs UK.
Even at DB-U,,, Chit-Happens....
Jaylin Jackson also played CB and K-P returner in HS, jus-sayin...
And by gawd, if the Jr's and Sr's can't get fired up and play all out, then put the Soph's and Fr in. That way, in a year or two, you will finally have a pretty good team, otherwise, you're just killing time and wasting training time and playing experience tor the younger guys. Seniority has no place on a football team, except as a luxury when you're winning.
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Deserving of it's own post...
ESPN, among many others:
In fact, the Cats even got a break when SEC officials ruled that Evan McPherson's 36-yard field goal attempt was wide right. Replays showed the kick hooking and appearing to cross inside the upright. Instead of trimming the lead to 21-13, the Gators trailed by two scores heading into the final 15 minutes.
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Stopping a sure TD run to check the spot.
Calling about 1 in 10 of the holds on UK.
An incomplete forward pass instead of a fumble.
SEC officials 'stink on ice.' That, or they are following instruction from the front office.
Their cred is not quite as good as Pro-wrasslin' is.. Money making entertainment, not good calls, seems to be what drives that wagon...
ESPN, among many others:
In fact, the Cats even got a break when SEC officials ruled that Evan McPherson's 36-yard field goal attempt was wide right. Replays showed the kick hooking and appearing to cross inside the upright. Instead of trimming the lead to 21-13, the Gators trailed by two scores heading into the final 15 minutes.
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Stopping a sure TD run to check the spot.
Calling about 1 in 10 of the holds on UK.
An incomplete forward pass instead of a fumble.
SEC officials 'stink on ice.' That, or they are following instruction from the front office.
Their cred is not quite as good as Pro-wrasslin' is.. Money making entertainment, not good calls, seems to be what drives that wagon...
If we replace Franks as starter, sadgator will lose even more confidence in this staff. We need to own this loss for the right reasons in order to productively move on from it.
You're absolutely right sad, don't know what I could have been thinking after watching the game and looking at the game-stat facts afterwards...
Franks - 17 of 38, 44.7% for 232 yds, 2 TD's, 1 Int.
Rushing - 11 for 44 yds, 4.0 ypc, 0 TD's
(choosing to run instead of handing off on the options)
Over-throws, under-throws, and locking on to receivers instead of throwing to the 'open' man has no bearing what-so-ever...
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Exactly!!!! Franks did what he could and Trask wouldn’t have done any better!!
That's just your own opinion, not anything like a proven fact.
In his limited use last week, Trask was 3-3 and had a 14 yard run for a TD, using the 2-3 teamers...
PS, -- How'd your team do, btw?
You're absolutely right sad, don't know what I could have been thinking after watching the game and looking at the game-stat facts afterwards...
Franks - 17 of 38, 44.7% for 2342 yds, 2 TD's, 1 Int.
Rushing - 11 for 44 yds, 4.0 ypc, 0 TD's
(choosing to run instead of handing off on the options)
Over-throws, under-throws, and locking on to receivers instead of throwing to the 'open' man has no bearing what-so-ever...
You have to admit, throwing for 2,342 yards in a game is pretty good!
No, I'd call that EARTH SHATTERING...
But hey, I know what you meant to say.
(and I went back and fixed my typo, so thanks)
And no, not at all. Throwing for 200+ for Franks is a good day for him.
Throwing for 300+ is a pretty good day at UF.
Throwing for 400+ would be a great day at UF.
Franks is never likely to ever get a sniff of a pretty good day, much less a great day.
Oh for Gods sake.
THERE WERE MANY PROBLEMS .
Please stop acting like Franks wasn't one of them. Rewatch the game. He got worse and worse as his confidence fell and the game was on the line.
No touch.
No awareness.
Poor reads.
Poor accuracy.
Just because he may not have been the MOST important factor doesn't make him a non-factor.
He was awful.
But again, here we go. Let's act like there's only one reason for every negative thing that happens and go shout it from the mountain tops.
I watched the replay today. Franks isn’t great but he appeared miles better from last year to me.
Yeah he made some bad throws but he isn’t the reason you lost.
The Kentucky RBs were more physical than your DL and LBs. Hell the entire defense didn’t tackle for shit.
UF and FSU May both have losing records come November. It’s that bad.
Yeah he made some bad throws but he isn’t the reason you lost.
The Kentucky RBs were more physical than your DL and LBs. Hell the entire defense didn’t tackle for shit.
UF and FSU May both have losing records come November. It’s that bad.
Sometimes, the outcome of a game rests on 1-2 big plays.
Other times, the outcome rests on many adverse factors.
UF vs UK is of the 2nd kind, very many and varied factors.
Other times, the outcome rests on many adverse factors.
UF vs UK is of the 2nd kind, very many and varied factors.
Franks is not the reason we lost the game, IMO. He was pretty good the 1st half and average to below par the 2nd half. But he was getting hit on almost every play and that takes a toll on any QB and affects the way they play later in the game. The 2nd half he did make some bad reads and lock on one receiver more than he did the first half. No doubt about it. But the defense missing 150 tackles (exaggeration, but making a point) and giving up 303 rushing yards, plus the O-line getting steamrolled were the primary reasons we lost. When you can't run the ball (and the game plan appeared to concede that from the beginning), it makes you one dimensional. Franks did have some decent scrambles and was primarily responsible for that 99 yard drive. He just may be the best we've got at that position right now. The coaches obviously think so and they see the players way more than any of us. We're all armchair QB's and that's fine. I'm just expressing my opinion. All Gators are rightfully frustrated.
Ocala, 38 passes at 44%, with only 28 runs.
While he was slightly worse in the 2nd half on completion %, he was under 50% in both.
Franks 4 ypc and Scarlett 3.6 ypc combined for 18 of those 28 runs.
Both are primary starters, (but imo, shouldn't be).
While he was slightly worse in the 2nd half on completion %, he was under 50% in both.
Franks 4 ypc and Scarlett 3.6 ypc combined for 18 of those 28 runs.
Both are primary starters, (but imo, shouldn't be).
You're the guy that has lauded the running back by committee stance for years, and while, yes, one guy is literally the "starter" we had plenty of guys running the ball throughout the game.
I'm not sure what your problem is.
Pitiful little attention beggar, kinda sad really, but here ya go,,, yet again.
Here to foul up yet another thread with his always village idiot smelly crap.
Never need to read his posts, because they are always going to be,,, what they are, and what he will always be. This asswipe stalker arrives to spread his usual crap, and to be the lonely despised drunk loser that he is...
There once was a goater named dunny,
who was always trying to be funny.
But with his head up his butt,
and a load of beer in his gutt,
when it came to the girls he got nunny...
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
Here to foul up yet another thread with his always village idiot smelly crap.
Never need to read his posts, because they are always going to be,,, what they are, and what he will always be. This asswipe stalker arrives to spread his usual crap, and to be the lonely despised drunk loser that he is...
There once was a goater named dunny,
who was always trying to be funny.
But with his head up his butt,
and a load of beer in his gutt,
when it came to the girls he got nunny...
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
You're absolutely right sad, don't know what I could have been thinking after watching the game and looking at the game-stat facts afterwards...
Franks - 17 of 38, 44.7% for 2342 yds, 2 TD's, 1 Int.
Rushing - 11 for 44 yds, 4.0 ypc, 0 TD's
(choosing to run instead of handing off on the options)
Over-throws, under-throws, and locking on to receivers instead of throwing to the 'open' man has no bearing what-so-ever...
Officially we dropped 5 passes one of which would have gone for 50+ and a TD right before the half. But that’s conveniently left out of the stats. Franks is the convenient scapegoat. We can’t run, like at all. We can’t pass protect. Receivers dropped numerous balls. Mullen did not have the greatest game either constantly calling deep passes downfield which require time to develop and that 2nd and 1 pass call on the goaline that led to a sack and a FG instead of a TD was terrible, etc. But people can’t see past the QB.
