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Even though they're an ACC team, VTech has aspirations and they will be going after a top tier head coach. Throw them in with South Carolina at this point. UCF lost it's coach already, but won't be going after the elite of the elite, but it goes to show, with 4 weeks still to go with this season, there are already some major schools who will be looking for a new coach.

The point of this is aimed at the Georgia fans who want Mark Richt's head on a plate. Just who are you going to find that'll GUARANTEE you of doing better? Who are you going to go hire when you have to compete with several other big time schools looking to fill their head coaching spots? There's going to be a scramble at the end of this season, and some fanbases are definitely going to be left underwhelmed by their new coaches. Just saying it was a bad year QB-wise for UGLY, but that shouldn't be the only reason that they fire Richt. Just as Tennesse how wise it was to get rid of Phil Fulmer. Be careful for what you wish for, you just may get it.
 
I hate to argue because you bring up valid points but...
1. Every year openings come up amongst college football. USCal is the only BIG name job so far. Miami and Ba Tech are mid tier vs UGA. The year we fired Zook, the SCar job was open as was Notre Dame. The year we fired Muschamp, the Michigan job was open.
2. Firing Phil wasn't the smartest because UT doesn't have the local talent base around them like UGA does. They have to recruit more players from the northern and western areas compared to most SEC schools. UGA is surrounded by enough talent. Get the right play caller around and it could be trouble.
 
You are correct, no year is going to be ideal for firing your head coach, unless his name is Muschamp of course. I think really the problem for Georgia lies in the belief by their fans that they ARE an elite football program. They think that they are a top 10 team year in and year out for some reason and that it's only their coaching staff holding them back. Perhaps that's actually true, they do have talent in their area, and money, but then again so does just about everyone in The SEC, so they aren't anything special. They think as if they should win 50% or more of the time against teams like Alabama or USC, or Ohio State. Perception and reality is their problem, as it is many places.
 
grommit said:
Even though they're an ACC team, VTech has aspirations and they will be going after a top tier head coach. Throw them in with South Carolina at this point. UCF lost it's coach already, but won't be going after the elite of the elite, but it goes to show, with 4 weeks still to go with this season, there are already some major schools who will be looking for a new coach.

The point of this is aimed at the Georgia fans who want Mark Richt's head on a plate. Just who are you going to find that'll GUARANTEE you of doing better? Who are you going to go hire when you have to compete with several other big time schools looking to fill their head coaching spots? There's going to be a scramble at the end of this season, and some fanbases are definitely going to be left underwhelmed by their new coaches. Just saying it was a bad year QB-wise for UGLY, but that shouldn't be the only reason that they fire Richt. Just as Tennesse how wise it was to get rid of Phil Fulmer. Be careful for what you wish for, you just may get it.
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That logic got Muschamp a 4th year, how did that turn out?

Chip Kelly is going to USCw and Herman and Fuente are both damn good coaches.
 
Richt isn't going anywhere unless they have THE guy locked up...no way he is asked to resign and then they start a coaching search. Also, it is not a fair comparison to out them in the same boat as VT or USCe...those jobs do not compare. I know UGA is one of our hated rivals but the reality is it is one of the best jobs out there.
 
Best jobs like top 20 job or top 10? I side with Grommit here. UGA hasn't won anything in years. About as vanilla as it gets. I'd see them as 5th most attractive option in the SEC. 6th perhaps. Maybe top 20 nationally.
 
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It is not just about what you have won lately....but you probably think f$u is better job than UGA.
 
UGA, like Texas, is one of the more overrated football programs of all-time. I've run the numbers before, in their history they've won around 59% of their games. Richt has them well above that number, yet they act like he's the one holding them back. Everyone keeps mentioning their resources, but that isn't enough. For one, Atlanta is a transient city in every sense of the word. Teams like UT have as much if not more alums in Atlanta than UGA does. Likewise with other schools like Auburn and Bama. In south Georgia FSU and UF are the major schools, that's all you hear about. Valdosta for example is actually closer to Tallahassee than it is Athens. So yea the state of Georgia has tons of talent, but their are powerhouse schools all within an hour of Atlanta or within an hour of south Georgia that have as much if not more pull than UGA. Their perception of their program is way out of whack.
 
I'd say FSU is on par with UGA from a desirable coaching destination standpoint.

In no particular order I'd list Bama, ND, OSU, UF, UT, LSU, USC, Michigan, PSU and Oklahoma/Tennessee as top tiers. I'd have FSU, UGA, Michigan State, aTm, Auburn, Oregon, Clemson and Wisconsin in the 2nd tier group. Nebraska, TCU, UCLA and Baylor could commingle some here.
 
FSU and UGA are roughly on the same level.

UGA is in a better conference, but they haven't won it all since 1980. FSU has to share Florida with UF and Miami, but Florida has twice the population. UGA has to share with GaTech, along with FSU and Auburn, who both have significant fanbases near along the border counties. Valdosta is FSU country (along with VSU :) )

VaTech is probably a more desirable job than Miami at this point. Miami has the historical prestige, but not much else anymore. VaTech has a legit stadium and a healthy fanbase. I would argue that they also have more realistic fans.

I feel bad for USCe. HBC gave them a few good years that they might not see again for a while.

I agree that USCw trumps all of the above. The only probably is that their fanbase has zero patience.
 
Their history doesn't really support that. They've never attracted top candidates and they won't this time either. I would love to see them fire Richt just to hire Smart, that would be a disaster.
 
oozie7 said:
Their history doesn't really support that. They've never attracted top candidates and they won't this time either. I would love to see them fire Richt just to hire Smart, that would be a disaster.
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Good point on them not attracting "top" candidates...but hell it's been a long time since UGA was shopping. UGA is a big program that basically goes through the motions. The result is winning seasons without championships.

Shifting gears...USCe has a history of hiring some notables. Their last two hires were coaches with National titles under their belt...Spurrier and Lou Holtz. Don't count the Cocks out in the coaching hire derby!

Oh yeah...for fun...Rich Rod to Miami.
 
I've heard rumors of Rich Rod to Va Tech or WVU if it opens up which means he will stay in Tucson or take the Grambling job.
 
Oozie

Not trying to argue but what was our history... mmm say before Steve Spurrier arrived?

All you are saying can be reversed with Florida. The panhandle area is full of Bama and Auburn alumni. The Jacksonville area is a transit area full of UGA alumni. You can hear a lot about UGA in much of north Florida.

All that being said I haven't even factored in the in state schools. Tons of talent an hour or so from FSU. The best talent is an hour or so from Miami.

See how that can be flipped. Georgia really doesn't have true in state recruiting competition as Florida does. It will take a Spurrier type coach to wake up the giant who feel asleep in the early 80's. The resources are there for Georgia to win and win big. Plenty of talent, you just have to coach it and persuade it correctly.

You can't name me a school in the south that doesn't have those disadvantages you listed for UGA.

I just hope they keep hitting the snooze button.
 
UGA has tons of potential. They are just massive underachievers. Richt to Miami is my prediction. Is UGA a better job than UF? No but it is still a top 15 job IMO.
 
TennesseeGator said:
Oozie

Not trying to argue but what was our history... mmm say before Steve Spurrier arrived?

All you are saying can be reversed with Florida. The panhandle area is full of Bama and Auburn alumni. The Jacksonville area is a transit area full of UGA alumni. You can hear a lot about UGA in much of north Florida.

All that being said I haven't even factored in the in state schools. Tons of talent an hour or so from FSU. The best talent is an hour or so from Miami.

See how that can be flipped. Georgia really doesn't have true in state recruiting competition as Florida does. It will take a Spurrier type coach to wake up the giant who feel asleep in the early 80's. The resources are there for Georgia to win and win big. Plenty of talent, you just have to coach it and persuade it correctly.

You can't name me a school in the south that doesn't have those disadvantages you listed for UGA.

I just hope they keep hitting the snooze button.
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Right but nobody considered UF an elite job before Spurrier either. Yet all the talking heads think UGA is an elite job, for what? Richt has them winning above their historical averages by a good bit. Plus the difference between them and us is that we have never been 2nd or really 3rd fiddle in our state when we're good. When UGA is good, they'll still end up being 3rd or even 4th fiddle in their own state depending on how well Bama and Auburn are doing, Georgia has always been their primary pipeline outside of Alabama. At worst, we're on equal footing with FSU and Miami, even when we're down.
 
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Right but nobody considered UF an elite job before Spurrier either.
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You couldn't be more wrong with that, Oozie. EVERYONE knew UF was THE sleeping giant. The Bear even said something almost identical to DJ's post about UF ("look out if UF ever gets the right guy")
 
Pell poked the giant with a stick and had it mumbling mad but the way he poked it was illegal. Hall shook the giant and had it at least one foot out of the bed but paying support for the baby giants and the giant hit the snooze button. Then Spurs woke the giant up and even the Mischimp couldn't put it down with its best sleeper hold.

Similar can happen to UGA unfortunately.

Dooley and Herschel are prime examples. They always have talent it has just been lack of coaching.
 
GatorGray said:
You couldn't be more wrong with that, Oozie. EVERYONE knew UF was THE sleeping giant. The Bear even said something almost identical to DJ's post about UF ("look out if UF ever gets the right guy")
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I don't think those two thoughts line up, though that might just be wording. People may have seen the potential of UF, but I think that's different from considering them an elite job at that moment in time. Kinda like a player having young player having elite potential, but not yet being an elite player. If that makes sense.
 
Yeah, but the potential is what makes the job a good one....top coaches want to make a name, not just ride coat tails of who was there before.
 
GatorGray said:
You couldn't be more wrong with that, Oozie. EVERYONE knew UF was THE sleeping giant. The Bear even said something almost identical to DJ's post about UF ("look out if UF ever gets the right guy")
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There were moments that hinted to it before Spurrier, but it got erased with violations, sanctions, etc.
 
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How is UGa not a top job? State is loaded with talent and the other major school in state runs the damn Wing-T. If you gave Richt's last five classes to Saban, Meyer, etc, they would be a force. Richt is NOT a big game coach (see Stoops) and he runs that offense that is so vanilla that drunk Danny could scheme against it. You get a really good coach in there that knows there is more than one formation for offenses to use and look out. Luckily I think they will hire Kirby Smart and we will be fine for another 5 years.
 
Michi-Gator said:
How is UGa not a top job? State is loaded with talent and the other major school in state runs the damn Wing-T. If you gave Richt's last five classes to Saban, Meyer, etc, they would be a force. Richt is NOT a big game coach (see Stoops) and he runs that offense that is so vanilla that drunk Danny could scheme against it. You get a really good coach in there that knows there is more than one formation for offenses to use and look out. Luckily I think they will hire Kirby Smart and we will be fine for another 5 years.
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It's all relative. UGA is signing top 10 classes, yet their recruiting rankings place them around 5-6th in the SEC over the past decade. Having a top 10 class nationally doesn't mean anything when 4-5 teams on your schedule sign better classes than yours annually. So how are they underachieving when if you go by talent they're on average the 5th most talented team in their conference? They've won the East 50% of the time the last 4 years. Won their half of the conference 6 times in his tenure, only Saban has more. Richt's record is currently 10 games better than Les Miles and everybody thinks he's an elite coach somehow. I'm not arguing Richt hasn't had some down seasons, but y'alls perception of that program is way out of whack. Maybe they can do better, but it's by no means a guarantee like people think it is. For all their resources they've never been better than they are now under Richt, ponder that.
 
Oh, and Richt isn't going anywhere if it means losing Jacob Eason, who is reportedly reaching out to other schools now, incl Meatchicken.....but supposedly we would be a major player for him if Richt is gone.
 
oozie7 said:
Nice drop Gray. I think some other schools that fall under that category are VT, UVA, and UCLA.
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UCLA, yes. VT & UVa don't have the recruiting base, athletics budget nor booster support to be in that group.
 
GatorGray said:
UCLA, yes. VT & UVa don't have the recruiting base, athletics budget nor booster support to be in that group.
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Man the tidewater area is loaded with talent. They are also next door to DC which produces a ton of talent too. The issue is none of those schools can keep them home. If they did, they'd run train on the ACC. UVA is one of the wealthiest schools in the country too. Idk how much they spend on sports though.
 
oozie7 said:
Man the tidewater area is loaded with talent. They are also next door to DC which produces a ton of talent too. The issue is none of those schools can keep them home. If they did, they'd run train on the ACC. UVA is one of the wealthiest schools in the country too. Idk how much they spend on sports though.
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Loaded is relative. However, Florida, Georgia, Texas and Cali all dwarf that area. Plus, don't forget Maryland is competing for that talent, also.
 
GatorGray said:
Loaded is relative. However, Florida, Georgia, Texas and Cali all dwarf that area. Plus, don't forget Maryland is competing for that talent, also.
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No doubt. They don't have the raw numbers of the states you listed, but they produce a ton of good prospects every year.
 
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The Tidewater area doesn't produce enough prospects that you can just build a team from players in that area. Yes they have some top talent but VT, Virginia, etc need more than just players from that area to be any good.
 
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