Florida/Miami Basketball Thread

[instaGATOR]

YEE-HAW MJ, and thanks for the heads up.

#12 C Isaiah Stokes 6-8 273 - Memphis, TN - ESPN Top 100
(he looks more like a MONSTER PF to me)
His offer list on ESPN shows NC, Tn, VCU.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/190955/isaiah-stokes

He broke the backboard in the final minute of an AAU game at the Adidas Summer Championship and UA and AU were both trying to sign him to play OL.
I think that his older brother plays for the Memphis Grizzlies.

http://www.scout.com/college/basket...3536-source-isaiah-stokes-signed-with-florida
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Other STUFF:

Florida's #8 RPI is highest in the SEC, ahead of SCa (9th) and UK (19th).

This surprised me a bit. PG Kasey Hill is just 4 assists away (396) from 400 in his career. That ranks 11th in UF history in assists (only one behind Taurean Green's 397) and he will become just the 10th UF player to break 400 for his career.

 

[MJWilliamson]

This surprised me a bit. PG Kasey Hill is just 4 assists away (396) from 400 in his career. That ranks 11th in UF history in assists (only one behind Taurean Green's 397) and he will become just the 10th UF player to break 400 for his career.

Of course, Taurean got that number in three years. It is taking Hill four years to do it.

All that said, good for Hill. For the most part, he has played well this year. How he plays at PG will be how far Florida is able to go.

He does not need to be a consistent scorer. But he does need to be a consistent PG, dishing assists and limiting TOs.

 

[instaGATOR]

Of course, Taurean got that number in three years. It is taking Hill four years to do it.
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While the 3 to 4 years is true, didn't Hill have to play behind Wilbekin until after he left?
Instead of years, it's more accurate to look at stats per minute played.

I took a look back at the stats on floridagators.com official site and found this:

Green - 400 Asts, 282 TO's in 3 seasons on 3,201 minutes played. 8 Min/Ast, 1.42/1 A/TO

Wilbekin - 419 Asts, 182 TO's, on 3,467 minutes played. 8.3 Min/Ast, 2.3/1 A/TO

Hill - 396 Asts, 211 TO's, on 2,761 minutes played. 7.0 Min/Ast, 1.9/1 A/TO
He has the most assists per minute played, and is between Green and Wilbekin on A/TO ratio. He beats Green in both categories, so he's a bit better than most of us have given him credit for being...

 

[MJWilliamson]

Taurean played behind Roberson/Walsh his first year. He did not become a starter until his sophomore year.

 

[instaGATOR]

Taurean played behind Roberson/Walsh his first year. He did not become a starter until his sophomore year.

I understand that, just like Hill only started 8 games as a Fr, while Wilbekin was injured.
That's why I went to the stats per minute played for the comparisons.

 

[MJWilliamson]

He beats Green in both categories, so he's a bit better than most of us have given him credit for being...

If this is true, I find it very surprising

 

[bradleygator]

Hill was better as a Freshman. He played quite a bit and was in the regular rotation by the tournament. He was our best offensive player against UCLA in the elite 8. Green, kind of like Noah, was pretty much a non-entity as a frosh. After that, there's no comparison. Green, I think, is the best guard in UF history. He ran the offense, put the ball where it needed to go, played solid defense on the perimeter and hit a big 3 whenever it was necessary. That team isn't what it was without Green.

 

[46885]

I need a feed for the game tonight

 

[MJWilliamson]

Hill was better as a Freshman. He played quite a bit and was in the regular rotation by the tournament. He was our best offensive player against UCLA in the elite 8. Green, kind of like Noah, was pretty much a non-entity as a frosh. After that, there's no comparison. Green, I think, is the best guard in UF history. He ran the offense, put the ball where it needed to go, played solid defense on the perimeter and hit a big 3 whenever it was necessary. That team isn't what it was without Green.

Exactly so.

 

[instaGATOR]

2013-14, Freshman Season for Kasey Hill
Ranked fourth in the SEC in assist-to-turnover ratio (2.0) and 10th in assists (3.1). Led Florida in assists 16 times throughout the season. Started eight games, including the first four of his career when Wilbekin was suspended to start the season.
GP 32, GS 8, 704 min. Ave/gm 22 min.
FG 57-.407, 3Pt 5-.143, FT 24-.774, 63 RBs, 100 Ast, 50 TO, 37 Stl, 5 Blk, 176 pts
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2010-11, Freshman Season for Scottie Wilbekin: Recorded the best assist-to-turnover ration on the team (61-28), averaging 2.4 points, 1.5 rebounds and 1.6 assists in 37 games (one start).
GP 37, GS 1, 631 min, Ave/gm 17 min.
FG 31-.348, 3Pt 13.283, FT 15-.600, 55 RBs, 61 Ast, 28 TO, 1 Blk, 36 Stl, 116 pts
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2004-05, Freshman Season for Taurean Green: Showed tremendous potential during his freshman season, becoming a regular in the Gators’ rotation and one of the first off the bench in every game.
GP 32, GS 0, 606 min. Ave/gm 19 min.
FG 33-.371, 3Pt 16-.340, FT 42-.778, 31 RBs, 69 Ast, 51 TO, 1 Blk, 31 Stl, 124 pts.

Hill was better as a Freshman. He played quite a bit and was in the regular rotation by the tournament. He was our best offensive player against UCLA in the elite 8. Green, kind of like Noah, was pretty much a non-entity as a frosh. After that, there's no comparison. Green, I think, is the best guard in UF history. He ran the offense, put the ball where it needed to go, played solid defense on the perimeter and hit a big 3 whenever it was necessary. That team isn't what it was without Green.

Exactly so.

Freshmen:

Hill Starts 8, Min/Gm 22 - Ast/TO 100/50, 2.0/1
Wilbekin 1, Min/Gm 17 ---- Ast/TO 61/28, 2.2/1
Green 0, Min/Gm 19 ------- Ast/TO 69/51, 1.4/1
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Career Stats for all Three Starting PG's:

Hill 396 Asts, 211 TO's, on 2,761 minutes played. 7.0 Min/Ast, 1.9/1 A/TO <<<
Green 400 Asts, 282 TO's, on 3,201 minutes played. 8 Min/Ast, 1.42/1 A/TO
Wilbekin 419 Asts, 182 TO's, on 3,467 minutes played. 8.3 Min/Ast, 2.3/1 A/TO

Hill was better and/or more productive as a Fr, and he was also better than Green over their careers.

While Wilbekin was better than either in his career assist to turnover ratio.

Why depend on your long past opinions, when the facts/stats are there to see for anyone? -- And as I said before, maybe Hill deserves more of a break, instead of the constant INCORRECT whining and complaining about his overall performance as a PG.

 

[bradleygator]

and he was also better than Green over their careers.

Why depend on your long past opinions, when the facts/stats are there to see for anyone? --

Because sometimes stats lead you to make absurd statements like Kasey Hill is better than Taurean Green? I like Hill and have probably spent more time and effort than anyone defending him on this board, but come on.

As far as Wilbekin, I wouldn't argue with anyone who picked the 2014 SEC player of the year and certified defensive demon to run their team.

 

[instaGATOR]

Because sometimes stats lead you to make absurd statements like Kasey Hill is better than Taurean Green? .

Stats are what dishonest people decry when they don't happen to support their own biased opinions... This is CRYSTAL CLEAR, straight up facts/stats on the performance of the two PG's.

Hill 396 Asts, 211 TO's, on 2,761 minutes played. 7.0 Min/Ast, 1.9/1 A/TO<<<

Green 400 Asts, 282 TO's, on 3,201 minutes played. 8 Min/Ast, 1.42/1 A/TO

In his next game, Hill will likely have the same number of assists in about 400 less minutes played than Green.

Assists per minute played: Hill 7.0, Green 8.0.

Assist to Turn-Over Ratio: Hill 1.9 to 1 --- Green 1.4 to 1.

~ Because sometimes biased opinions can lead you to make absurd statements like Taurean Green is better than Kasey Hill?

Green's one better quality than Hill's was at the FT line, but Hill worked all off-season and he's even gotten that fixed now. Personally, I've been pretty happy with the 'overall' play of all three of them. And do keep in mind that while Green and Wilbekin both had coaching stability for their entire UF careers, while Hill has had 2 yrs with BillyD and 2 yrs with White, (system transition) which is NOT an advantage for any PG.