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Do any of you want Trump to have Immunity?

Well I'm sure to see those post, you know for consistency.


I am consistent. I said neither Trump nor Biden should get any fallout for this document thing.


Said the exact thing numerous times. That classified document crap is just that…a Nothingburger, for both.

But if you are going to prosecute, you have to prosecute Biden as well. Saying otherwise is politics. Because they dig way too hard for nuanced differences to say my guy didn’t do the same thing. But for every difference that benefits your guy, there are just as many that can be used to show the opposite.
 
I seriously don't get why we argue or debate about things because you guys refuse to read. Multiple court filings reference and mention Trump lawyers arguing this. the judges even mentions it. Judge Pan asked his lawyer if he is immune from killing a rival.

I am not going down a red herring with you about Obama. I just said that he is indeed arguing for absolute immunity and the court filings confirm it. That's all i did.

From the actual filings;



1) You read none of this, just like you clearly didn't read 1 page of the Hur report. I was able to prove that with a few simple keyword searches.
I posted a brief recap of Trump's argument below, that's more your speed. It centers around OFFICIAL ACTS. Obviously the President walking into the street murdering someone isn't an official act...and both you and Judge Pan clearly understand this.

2) Judge Pan is a hyper-partisan Biden appointee, once again legislating from the bench by asking that ridiculous question. And her asking a question proves nothing, except her bias.

3) Obama is not a red herring, it's precedent. He ordered the killing of an American citizen without due process. That's much worse than anything Trump has been accused of. Does the President not have an official duty to question the results of such a suspicious election? Democrats certainly did from 2016-2020. Remember Russiagate?

So no, you don't get to ignore Obama's drone strike. He was trying to kill someone the CIA identified as a terror threat. He shouldn't be tried and neither should Trump.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-the-trump-immunity-case-at-the-supreme-court
The case from Trump’s team

In August 2023, a grand jury indicted Trump on four charges related to his actions after the 2020 presidential election. On Feb. 6, 2024, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that Smith could move forward with a trial.

“For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution,” concluded a unanimous three-judge District of Columbia Circuit appeals court panel.

On Feb. 12, the former president’s attorneys sought a stay of the decision form the U.S. Supreme Court. Trump’s stay petition asked the Court to consider if Trump had undertaken official acts “performed within the ‘outer perimeter’ of his official responsibility.” The petition also argued that Trump already had been tried for the alleged Jan. 6 acts during his Senate impeachment proceedings, and he could not be tried a second time.

On Feb. 28, the Supreme Court granted a stay and limited the arguments in the case to the single issue of presidential immunity.

Trump’s team has asked the Supreme Court to look closely at the immunity question. “The panel opinion … like the district court, concludes that Presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts does not exist at all. This is a stunning breach of precedent and historical norms. In 234 years of American history, no President was ever prosecuted for his official acts. Nor should they be,” they argued. Trump’s attorneys also claim that grand jury indictment against Trump was based on “five types of conduct, all constituting official acts of the President.”
 
1) You read none of this, just like you clearly didn't read 1 page of the Hur report. I was able to prove that with a few simple keyword searches.
I posted a brief recap of Trump's argument below, that's more your speed. It centers around OFFICIAL ACTS. Obviously the President walking into the street murdering someone isn't an official act...and both you and Judge Pan clearly understand this.

2) Judge Pan is a hyper-partisan Biden appointee, once again legislating from the bench by asking that ridiculous question. And her asking a question proves nothing, except her bias.

3) Obama is not a red herring, it's precedent. He ordered the killing of an American citizen without due process. That's much worse than anything Trump has been accused of. Does the President not have an official duty to question the results of such a suspicious election? Democrats certainly did from 2016-2020. Remember Russiagate?

So no, you don't get to ignore Obama's drone strike. He was trying to kill someone the CIA identified as a terror threat. He shouldn't be tried and neither should Trump.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-the-trump-immunity-case-at-the-supreme-court
The case from Trump’s team

In August 2023, a grand jury indicted Trump on four charges related to his actions after the 2020 presidential election. On Feb. 6, 2024, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that Smith could move forward with a trial.

“For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution,” concluded a unanimous three-judge District of Columbia Circuit appeals court panel.

On Feb. 12, the former president’s attorneys sought a stay of the decision form the U.S. Supreme Court. Trump’s stay petition asked the Court to consider if Trump had undertaken official acts “performed within the ‘outer perimeter’ of his official responsibility.” The petition also argued that Trump already had been tried for the alleged Jan. 6 acts during his Senate impeachment proceedings, and he could not be tried a second time.

On Feb. 28, the Supreme Court granted a stay and limited the arguments in the case to the single issue of presidential immunity.

Trump’s team has asked the Supreme Court to look closely at the immunity question. “The panel opinion … like the district court, concludes that Presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts does not exist at all. This is a stunning breach of precedent and historical norms. In 234 years of American history, no President was ever prosecuted for his official acts. Nor should they be,” they argued. Trump’s attorneys also claim that grand jury indictment against Trump was based on “five types of conduct, all constituting official acts of the President.”

As usual, Fatman bringing the heat. Unfortunately you are debating a guy who will say water isn’t wet in an attempt to “win” at all costs.
 
1) You read none of this, just like you clearly didn't read 1 page of the Hur report. I was able to prove that with a few simple keyword searches.
I posted a brief recap of Trump's argument below, that's more your speed. It centers around OFFICIAL ACTS. Obviously the President walking into the street murdering someone isn't an official act...and both you and Judge Pan clearly understand this.

2) Judge Pan is a hyper-partisan Biden appointee, once again legislating from the bench by asking that ridiculous question. And her asking a question proves nothing, except her bias.

3) Obama is not a red herring, it's precedent. He ordered the killing of an American citizen without due process. That's much worse than anything Trump has been accused of. Does the President not have an official duty to question the results of such a suspicious election? Democrats certainly did from 2016-2020. Remember Russiagate?

So no, you don't get to ignore Obama's drone strike. He was trying to kill someone the CIA identified as a terror threat. He shouldn't be tried and neither should Trump.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-the-trump-immunity-case-at-the-supreme-court
The case from Trump’s team

In August 2023, a grand jury indicted Trump on four charges related to his actions after the 2020 presidential election. On Feb. 6, 2024, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that Smith could move forward with a trial.

“For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution,” concluded a unanimous three-judge District of Columbia Circuit appeals court panel.

On Feb. 12, the former president’s attorneys sought a stay of the decision form the U.S. Supreme Court. Trump’s stay petition asked the Court to consider if Trump had undertaken official acts “performed within the ‘outer perimeter’ of his official responsibility.” The petition also argued that Trump already had been tried for the alleged Jan. 6 acts during his Senate impeachment proceedings, and he could not be tried a second time.

On Feb. 28, the Supreme Court granted a stay and limited the arguments in the case to the single issue of presidential immunity.

Trump’s team has asked the Supreme Court to look closely at the immunity question. “The panel opinion … like the district court, concludes that Presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts does not exist at all. This is a stunning breach of precedent and historical norms. In 234 years of American history, no President was ever prosecuted for his official acts. Nor should they be,” they argued. Trump’s attorneys also claim that grand jury indictment against Trump was based on “five types of conduct, all constituting official acts of the President.”
Ok. Believe fatman and not his attorneys actual filings. Some of you are definitely strong in your convictions.
 
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Ok. Believe fatman and not his attorneys actual filings. Some of you are definitely strong in your convictions.
I provided a recap from a trustworthy source, something you may actually read.

So are you saying Trump is seeking immunity for actions NOT carried out as a part of his official duties as POTUS?
 
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Im going to tell you what I told my man K. Former presidents get secret service protection for life because of what they know. We have any number of terrorists, foreign spies and random unclassified foreign nationals in federal prison. So no, i give zero effs about anything that doesn't have national security implications. It's not that they're above the law, its about the security of our Nation.

It is what it is.
So you are OK with Nixon bugging the hotel.

But your position does, in fact, put them above the law.
 
So you are OK with Nixon bugging the hotel.

But your position does, in fact, put them above the law.

And you’re ok with Obama tapping Trump?

I find it humorous that folks justifying this are limiting their focus to Trump. The hypocrisy and mental gymnastics is astounding.
 
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Just wondering.
Haven't visited this thread in a while. Do you think the Big Guy should be immune from grifting his 10% for from Ukraine and Chyna for decades is off the table? He is on record admitting it, it's been posted 100 times by Insta. 😂 Yeah yeah, the Hunter laptop is just Russian disinformation.. Seriously? :rolleyes:😂😂😂😂
 
I seriously don't get why we argue or debate about things because you guys refuse to read. Multiple court filings reference and mention Trump lawyers arguing this. the judges even mentions it. Judge Pan asked his lawyer if he is immune from killing a rival.

I am not going down a red herring with you about Obama. I just said that he is indeed arguing for absolute immunity and the court filings confirm it. That's all i did.

From the actual filings;



its a cult, i am surprised you have not figured that out yet. Trumps a world class liberal con man from new york, this is like shooting fish in a barrel for him. Its sad to watch. its like the dems saying they care about blacks or hispanics, they dont. the leadership in this country is horrific. the electorate is completely clueless. we will get to a breaking point, hopefully we get some real leadership to emerge. tough times usually bring out the better in the collective.
 
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