Did Trump really win?

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

"You can't win, Vader. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Two events just happened which I think are related:






Everyone knows Donald Trump won the Presidential election. Everyone here knows it.

And Trump knows it. So why did he stop fighting in the end?

Let's say Trump had kept fighting, maybe even used the military to stay in power and jail the dems. Even if you favored that move, you have to admit that would have led to an incredibly volatile 2021. Maybe 2022 as well. How would the Republicans have reacted? Most of them would have reacted the same way they did during Trump's first term: They would have backed him as long as they needed his help to win re-election, and as soon as they got that help to stay in power in 2022, they would have gone back to backing the establishment. AKA, they would have followed the Mitch McConnell model.

So any progress Trump made would have mostly come from his EO pen. Same as the first term.

But what if...this was all Trump's plan? To expose the cheating, to prove that the dems literally stole a presidential election and GOT AWAY WITH IT.

But perhaps more than that...he exposed the Republicans. He forced them all to in the end side with him, or side with the establishment.

Most of them sided with the establishment. That will likely prove to be their undoing.

At CPAC, Trump said empathically that he was NOT starting his own party. He also added empathetically that he was going to take over the Republican party.

What if this was all Trump's plan?

What if he knew that as soon as he left office as President, that the establishment Republicans would go back to siding with DC over the American people? So that would mean that all of Trump's good works would have a temporary impact at best.

But what has he done by leaving office and letting the dems get away with stealing an election? He's galvanized his supporters to almost blindly support ANY candidate he endorses, and he's galvanized them to almost blindly REFUSE to support ANY Republican that did NOT support him.

Trump is truly the Kingmaker for the Republican party. No person has ever held close to the power and sway that Trump currently holds over the Republican party.

Any candidate he endorses in 2022 will likely win.

By winning a 2nd term, Trump had the chance to reshape America into a great country again. For 4 more years.

By letting the dems get away with stealing the election, Trump can now remake the entire Republican party with America First candidates who could hold office for 30-40 years.

We may have lost 4 more years of America First in order to get 40 more years of America First.

As always, Trump outsmarts us all.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Welcome back big guy

 

[theswamp15]

Trump is always the smartest man in the room regardless of how the MSM tries to portray him. He is always 5 steps ahead and I can almost guarantee this was his plan all along. It sucks to not have him in office but seeing how he is helping shape the party moving forward it is worth it!

 

[gatordad3]

Getting rid of those POS RINOs would be a great start, like the ever so ugly mother f*c*ers Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski.

 

[kalimgoodman]

"You can't win, Vader. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Two events just happened which I think are related:

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Everyone knows Donald Trump won the Presidential election. Everyone here knows it.

And Trump knows it. So why did he stop fighting in the end?

Let's say Trump had kept fighting, maybe even used the military to stay in power and jail the dems. Even if you favored that move, you have to admit that would have led to an incredibly volatile 2021. Maybe 2022 as well. How would the Republicans have reacted? Most of them would have reacted the same way they did during Trump's first term: They would have backed him as long as they needed his help to win re-election, and as soon as they got that help to stay in power in 2022, they would have gone back to backing the establishment. AKA, they would have followed the Mitch McConnell model.

So any progress Trump made would have mostly come from his EO pen. Same as the first term.

But what if...this was all Trump's plan? To expose the cheating, to prove that the dems literally stole a presidential election and GOT AWAY WITH IT.

But perhaps more than that...he exposed the Republicans. He forced them all to in the end side with him, or side with the establishment.

Most of them sided with the establishment. That will likely prove to be their undoing.

At CPAC, Trump said empathically that he was NOT starting his own party. He also added empathetically that he was going to take over the Republican party.

What if this was all Trump's plan?

What if he knew that as soon as he left office as President, that the establishment Republicans would go back to siding with DC over the American people? So that would mean that all of Trump's good works would have a temporary impact at best.

But what has he done by leaving office and letting the dems get away with stealing an election? He's galvanized his supporters to almost blindly support ANY candidate he endorses, and he's galvanized them to almost blindly REFUSE to support ANY Republican that did NOT support him.

Trump is truly the Kingmaker for the Republican party. No person has ever held close to the power and sway that Trump currently holds over the Republican party.

Any candidate he endorses in 2022 will likely win.

By winning a 2nd term, Trump had the chance to reshape America into a great country again. For 4 more years.

By letting the dems get away with stealing the election, Trump can now remake the entire Republican party with America First candidates who could hold office for 30-40 years.

We may have lost 4 more years of America First in order to get 40 more years of America First.

As always, Trump outsmarts us all.

Wow, what a read. I am assuming this is sature.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

Anyone who slept through a course in classical mechanics knows Trump won.

A stiff who didn't campaign, can't draw 5 cars to a Jack in the Box drive thru, promised economic stagnation and higher crime rates in Democrat debates, drew 4 dozen humans at a rally in Scranton does not receive an all time record 80 million legal votes.

I fashioned a classical mechanics formula. Probability of Biden receiving 80 million votes is 0.00000000093. To get Biden at 80 million, I added to the formula a massive Democrat down ticket blue wave. Yes, MASSIVE.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Trump is always the smartest man in the room regardless of how the MSM tries to portray him. He is always 5 steps ahead and I can almost guarantee this was his plan all along. It sucks to not have him in office but seeing how he is helping shape the party moving forward it is worth it!

Who's the troll?

 

[theswamp15]

Who's the troll?

No idea, honestly never seen that kalim however you spell it before.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Anyone who slept through a course in classical mechanics knows Trump won.

A stiff who didn't campaign, can't draw 5 cars to a Jack in the Box drive thru, promised economic stagnation and higher crime rates in Democrat debates, drew 4 dozen humans at a rally in Scranton does not receive an all time record 80 million legal votes.

I fashioned a classical mechanics formula. Probability of Biden receiving 80 million votes is 0.00000000093. To get Biden at 80 million, I added to the formula a massive Democrat down ticket blue wave. Yes, MASSIVE.

That's because you think critically, and not emotionally.

 

[BCSpell]

One thing I can't figure out. The Left keeps claiming Voter suppression and Repubs are keeping minorites from voting that is why we need HR-1. More minorities then ever before voted and we allegedly had historic voter turn out, 159,000,000+. Something just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[G8trDad3]

Very smart. Maybe the smartest president ever. Maybe the smartest person to ever live!

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

One thing I can't figure out. The Left keeps claiming Voter suppression and Repubs are keeping minorites from voting that is why we need HR-1. More minorities then ever before voted and we allegedly had historic voter turn out, 159,000,000+. Something just doesn't make sense to me.

Then look at the last election: Dems told us we must have mail-in voting, because it just wasn't safe for in-person voting.

Then when Election Day arrived, Fauci flip-flopped (again) and said it was safe to vote in person.

As always, the dems make emotional appeals (you're suppressing the black vote, you're putting us in danger of catching covid if we can't vote by mail!) in order to get what they want: Voter fraud.

Count every vote!

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Getting rid of those POS RINOs would be a great start, like the ever so ugly mother f*c*ers Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski.

Unfit Romney as well.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Very smart. Maybe the smartest president ever. Maybe the smartest person to ever live!

He's an amazing man, just look at his campaign compared to dimwitted Biden. He rarely forgets anything and seems to cover everything without hesitation in his thoughts/speech. Recalls 10-20 names like he's known them his whole life while Biden can't recall which town he's in much less the people he's meeting with.

 

[fatman76]

"You can't win, Vader. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Two events just happened which I think are related:

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Everyone knows Donald Trump won the Presidential election. Everyone here knows it.

And Trump knows it. So why did he stop fighting in the end?

Let's say Trump had kept fighting, maybe even used the military to stay in power and jail the dems. Even if you favored that move, you have to admit that would have led to an incredibly volatile 2021. Maybe 2022 as well. How would the Republicans have reacted? Most of them would have reacted the same way they did during Trump's first term: They would have backed him as long as they needed his help to win re-election, and as soon as they got that help to stay in power in 2022, they would have gone back to backing the establishment. AKA, they would have followed the Mitch McConnell model.

So any progress Trump made would have mostly come from his EO pen. Same as the first term.

But what if...this was all Trump's plan? To expose the cheating, to prove that the dems literally stole a presidential election and GOT AWAY WITH IT.

But perhaps more than that...he exposed the Republicans. He forced them all to in the end side with him, or side with the establishment.

Most of them sided with the establishment. That will likely prove to be their undoing.

At CPAC, Trump said empathically that he was NOT starting his own party. He also added empathetically that he was going to take over the Republican party.

What if this was all Trump's plan?

What if he knew that as soon as he left office as President, that the establishment Republicans would go back to siding with DC over the American people? So that would mean that all of Trump's good works would have a temporary impact at best.

But what has he done by leaving office and letting the dems get away with stealing an election? He's galvanized his supporters to almost blindly support ANY candidate he endorses, and he's galvanized them to almost blindly REFUSE to support ANY Republican that did NOT support him.

Trump is truly the Kingmaker for the Republican party. No person has ever held close to the power and sway that Trump currently holds over the Republican party.

Any candidate he endorses in 2022 will likely win.

By winning a 2nd term, Trump had the chance to reshape America into a great country again. For 4 more years.

By letting the dems get away with stealing the election, Trump can now remake the entire Republican party with America First candidates who could hold office for 30-40 years.

We may have lost 4 more years of America First in order to get 40 more years of America First.

As always, Trump outsmarts us all.

I hope you're right. I am just starting to lose hope there will ever be any meaningful election reform.

The plan is clear - all you have to do is manufacture a crisis, change the rules by hook or crook and steal an election...and it won't be undone.

Until I see some serious attention paid to making sure the actual will of the people is what drives election results I'm not sure it matters what Trump shows us, how smart he is or how much more support he has.

As @Sunburnt Indian points out so well, there's no way in hell Biden set a record for votes rec'd. But every liberal I know just shrugs and says "I guess people REALLY hated Trump". Hate doesn't fuel record setting turnout and vote totals with such disparate downballot results.

edit: and welcome back asshole 😗

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Maybe that wasn't his plan. Maybe he's just smart enough to capitalize on the current environment to find a new way to reach his goals.

Regardless, in just 4 short years we've gone from Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney and the Bushes running the Republican party, to now Donald Trump runs it.

It's impossible to deny that the Republican party is in much better standing today than it was in 2016. It seems the days of simply being a branch of the democratic party are over.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

I hope you're right. I am just starting to lose hope there will ever be any meaningful election reform.

The plan is clear - all you have to do is manufacture a crisis, change the rules by hook or crook and steal an election...and it won't be undone.

Until I see some serious attention paid to making sure the actual will of the people is what drives election results I'm not sure it matters what Trump shows us, how smart he is or how much more support he has.

As @Sunburnt Indian points out so well, there's no way in hell Biden set a record for votes rec'd. But every liberal I know just shrugs and says "I guess people REALLY hated Trump". Hate doesn't fuel record setting turnout and vote totals with such disparate downballot results.

edit: and welcome back asshole 😗

fatman76 is another who can clearly define all seven components of critical thinking and math's simplest equation. His opponents cannot.

 

[greyghost14]

I hope you're right. I am just starting to lose hope there will ever be any meaningful election reform.

The plan is clear - all you have to do is manufacture a crisis, change the rules by hook or crook and steal an election...and it won't be undone.

Until I see some serious attention paid to making sure the actual will of the people is what drives election results I'm not sure it matters what Trump shows us, how smart he is or how much more support he has.

As @Sunburnt Indian points out so well, there's no way in hell Biden set a record for votes rec'd. But every liberal I know just shrugs and says "I guess people REALLY hated Trump". Hate doesn't fuel record setting turnout and vote totals with such disparate downballot results.

edit: and welcome back asshole 😗

 

[BamaFan1137]

As @Sunburnt Indian points out so well, there's no way in hell Biden set a record for votes rec'd. But every liberal I know just shrugs and says "I guess people REALLY hated Trump". Hate doesn't fuel record setting turnout and vote totals with such disparate downballot results.

This is the part that gives me heartburn. I have zero proof that the election was stolen...but what you described doesn't make sense.

Human history is full of anti-______ movements and they just aren't as powerful as pro-________ movements. Emotionally speaking, sure...powerful but something like voter turnout??? I have a hard time believing it.

 

[BCSpell]

I hope you're right. I am just starting to lose hope there will ever be any meaningful election reform.

The plan is clear - all you have to do is manufacture a crisis, change the rules by hook or crook and steal an election...and it won't be undone.

Until I see some serious attention paid to making sure the actual will of the people is what drives election results I'm not sure it matters what Trump shows us, how smart he is or how much more support he has.

As @Sunburnt Indian points out so well, there's no way in hell Biden set a record for votes rec'd. But every liberal I know just shrugs and says "I guess people REALLY hated Trump". Hate doesn't fuel record setting turnout and vote totals with such disparate downballot results.

edit: and welcome back asshole 😗

To see this theory at its best, look to the Gov of NY. Getting too much heat over sending covid into nursing homes, so now, sexual harassment accusations come out, which in another month so will blow over, but no one is talking about the nursing homes any longer.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

This is the part that gives me heartburn. I have zero proof that the election was stolen...but what you described doesn't make sense.

Human history is full of anti-______ movements and they just aren't as powerful as pro-________ movements. Emotionally speaking, sure...powerful but something like voter turnout??? I have a hard time believing it.

You have 100% proof that the election was stolen because the Constitution gives state legislatures the role of setting election rules. In 3+ battleground states those rules were unconstitutionally altered by other agencies.

You have zer0 proof that those changes were used to commit fraud. That was part of the smoke screen used to steal this election.

While everyone and the courts frothed over fraud, the constitutional question was put on hold. SCOTUS took it up last month and said "Oh well, its moot, time to move on"

On Nov 4th those lawsuits should have been filed with a request for emergency injunctions and pushed to SCOTUS asap.

Lawfare is the art of devious minds. Pubs are not good at it and dems are expert. Frankly our side got caught with our pants down and bent over. We were shooting at deer with bird shot. I think if our side had focused like a laser on the constitutional angle from day one and got it to SCOTUS in Dec we would still have Trump as president.

 

[G8trDad3]

You have 100% proof that the election was stolen because the Constitution gives state legislatures the role of setting election rules. In 3+ battleground states those rules were unconstitutionally altered by other agencies.

You have zer0 proof that those changes were used to commit fraud. That was part of the smoke screen used to steal this election.

While everyone and the courts frothed over fraud, the constitutional question was put on hold. SCOTUS took it up last month and said "Oh well, its moot, time to move on"

On Nov 4th those lawsuits should have been filed with a request for emergency injunctions and pushed to SCOTUS asap.

Lawfare is the art of devious minds. Pubs are not good at it and dems are expert. Frankly our side got caught with our pants down and bent over. We were shooting at deer with bird shot. I think if our side had focused like a laser on the constitutional angle from day one and got it to SCOTUS in Dec we would still have Trump as president.

I am interested to learn more about that. To Which 3 states are you referring and what laws were broken? Do you have a source I can look up?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You have 100% proof that the election was stolen because the Constitution gives state legislatures the role of setting election rules. In 3+ battleground states those rules were unconstitutionally altered by other agencies.

You have zer0 proof that those changes were used to commit fraud. That was part of the smoke screen used to steal this election.

While everyone and the courts frothed over fraud, the constitutional question was put on hold. SCOTUS took it up last month and said "Oh well, its moot, time to move on"

On Nov 4th those lawsuits should have been filed with a request for emergency injunctions and pushed to SCOTUS asap.

Lawfare is the art of devious minds. Pubs are not good at it and dems are expert. Frankly our side got caught with our pants down and bent over. We were shooting at deer with bird shot. I think if our side had focused like a laser on the constitutional angle from day one and got it to SCOTUS in Dec we would still have Trump as president.

Correct on the Constitution not being followed which allowed the steal to happen. However, I don't think there is a 'left vs right', I think it is establishment vs the rest of us.

Mitt Romney, George Bush, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham aren't Republicans, they are establishment.

Some of the establishment goes to DC to make money and take power. We call them 'democrats'. Some of them go there just to make money and a career. We call them 'Republicans'. But what Trump showed us is that they are ALL on the SAME team.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I am interested to learn more about that.

You waited till mid March to learn about an election being stolen 4 months prior?

Methinks your priorities are either misplaced, or your claims are disingenious.

If you are sincere, the world is your oyster, research away.

 

[G8trDad3]

You waited till mid March to learn about an election being stolen 4 months prior?

Methinks your priorities are either misplaced, or your claims are disingenious.

If you are sincere, the world is your oyster, research away.

I, so far, have felt that if the election was stolen that the authorities would have found that out. Someone would have confessed or bragged about it. I have not researched it much. I asked a legitimate question. Do you have an answer? I can not find a good source I believe supports either side.

 

[BillCutting4585]

To see this theory at its best, look to the Gov of NY. Getting too much heat over sending covid into nursing homes, so now, sexual harassment accusations come out, which in another month so will blow over, but no one is talking about the nursing homes any longer.

That’s the whole point of the sexual harassment claims, to move the the spotlight of the real issue. The fact that people can’t see that is funny and sad.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Correct on the Constitution not being followed which allowed the steal to happen. However, I don't think there is a 'left vs right', I think it is establishment vs the rest of us.

Mitt Romney, George Bush, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham aren't Republicans, they are establishment.

Some of the establishment goes to DC to make money and take power. We call them 'democrats'. Some of them go there just to make money and a career. We call them 'Republicans'. But what Trump showed us is that they are ALL on the SAME team.

Two different feathers of the same bird

 

[BCSpell]

You waited till mid March to learn about an election being stolen 4 months prior?

Methinks your priorities are either misplaced, or your claims are disingenious.

If you are sincere, the world is your oyster, research away.

Hopefully he won't use Google as his research tool. Won't find anything much there.

 

[G8trDad3]

Hopefully he won't use Google as his research tool. Won't find anything much there.

Exactly why I need your guidance.

 

[SoProudNole]

One thing I can't figure out. The Left keeps claiming Voter suppression and Repubs are keeping minorites from voting that is why we need HR-1. More minorities then ever before voted and we allegedly had historic voter turn out, 159,000,000+. Something just doesn't make sense to me.

Minority groups worked really hard to get that turnout and it scares the shit out of the republicans. Hence, the republicans trying their hardest to keep that high voter turnout from ever happening again.

 

[SoProudNole]

You waited till mid March to learn about an election being stolen 4 months prior?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Minority groups worked really hard to get that turnout and it scares the shit out of the republicans. Hence, the republicans trying their hardest to keep that high voter turnout from ever happening again.

Trump's share of the hispanic vote in 2020 increased by 13% over 2016, and his share of the black vote increased by 50% over 2020.

I think we both know which party is scared shitless by those numbers.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

I am interested to learn more about that. To Which 3 states are you referring and what laws were broken? Do you have a source I can look up?

It's in the first two sentences.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

That’s the whole point of the sexual harassment claims, to move the the spotlight of the real issue. The fact that people can’t see that is funny and sad.

I think it's partly that, but I think it's also because Cuomo is, believe it or not, gaining popularity among dems, and they don't want him to mount a run at Kamala in 2024.

 

[BCSpell]

Minority groups worked really hard to get that turnout and it scares the shit out of the republicans. Hence, the republicans trying their hardest to keep that high voter turnout from ever happening again.

Well, maybe it scares Repub leadership, maybe not, but not Repubs in general. Also, seeing as Trump/Repubs gained in the total percentage of minorities voting for them, maybe the Dem Leadship is scared. I hope all elections have high voter turn out. It's our priviledge as citizens to help guide our government. Low turn out is just sad.

 

[G8trDad3]

It's in the first two sentences.

Sorry , but I really want to know what specific laws were broken and in which states. Just give me a link to your source.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Sorry , but I really want to know what specific laws were broken and in which states. Just give me a link to your source.

He told you. If you need more, you can research it yourself.

Whenever someone asks for 'what source told you that', it's typically so they can attack the validity of the source, that's reporting information they don't want to hear.

Duck Duck Go can give you pages upon pages of sources that clearly documented what went wrong in multiple states. All free to find and learn from.

Assuming that's the goal. Good luck.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

Article II of our Constitution says STATE LEGISLATURES set or adjust state election laws. Not governors, state courts, attorneys general or secretaries of state. Some states set aside state election laws to count votes favorable to Biden. Trump won the election on Election Day. Vote counts AFTER Election Day in MI, WI, PA, GA, VA, et al shifted the election to Biden. Trump led by 600,000 in PA at the lawful close of Election Day in PA.

There is 100% proof of election fraud. Many analysts believe judges don't want to agitate the Democrat BLM and Antifa arms. Think Minneapolis, Seattle, Kenosha and Portland.

 

[G8trDad3]

He told you. If you need more, you can research it yourself.

Whenever someone asks for 'what source told you that', it's typically so they can attack the validity of the source, that's reporting information they don't want to hear.

Duck Duck Go can give you pages upon pages of sources that clearly documented what went wrong in multiple states. All free to find and learn from.

Assuming that's the goal. Good luck.

I’ve looked at DDG and Google. Some interesting articles. Mostly all opinion pieces. No doubt there were pushes to get out the vote. I just don’t see proof that what was done was illegal. Some claim that Silicon Valley conspired to suppress certain information. Could be. You don’t want to hear this but my opinion is that if Mr. Trump had reached ever so slightly to the other side, was not making up childish nicknames of his rivals, not disenfranchised the independents, he would have won by a landslide. That’s why I can not understand so many looking at him as their omnipotent being. Would not have mattered that the left may have rigged the system.

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

I'll add. Is there hope? GA Legislature has just voted extreme election reform. GA lawmakers never want to again see GA responsible for the fiascos we saw in DeKalb and Fulton counties in the November election and January special elections. Other contested states are talking election reform. Today, trust in our election process is at a record low.