COVID Denier and Anti-Vaxxer Dies of COVID

[gator1776]

MSN

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An Italian anti-vaxxer and COVID-denier who sparked outrage after declaring himself a “plague spreader” and boasting about how he walked around sick and maskless in a supermarket is now dead of COVID-19, according to local media reports.

Maurizio Buratti, also known as Mauro from Mantua, died in a Verona hospital Monday, just a few weeks after he was hospitalized. He was 61.

Buratti’s condition took a turn for the worse, perhaps unsurprisingly, after he called in to the Zanzara radio program on Radio 24, where he was a frequent and well-known commenter, and openly told listeners he was seriously ill, with a high fever, but had made a point to stroll through a crowded grocery store maskless.

 

[park_mike]

While I am not anitvax or medicine in general, I am anti big pharma with no oversight, immunity, no long term studies and no release of data. That being said, anyone who intentionally goes around people, pandemic or not, when they are knowingly sick, is a jerk of a human being. Regardless, anyone losing their lives for any reason is a tragedy. Prayers to his and all families impacted by tragic loss.

 

[gator1776]

. Regardless, anyone losing their lives for any reason is a tragedy. Prayers to his and all families impacted by tragic loss.

Anyone?

 

[park_mike]

Anyone?

So......not all loss of life is tragic?

 

[Gator Fever]

He joins all the vaxxed people that have died "with Covid" recently.

 

[gator1776]

So......not all loss of life is tragic?

No
Not all loss of life is tragic.

 

[BamaFan1137]

No
Not all lose of life is tragic.

Strange coming from a doctor imho

 

[gator1776]

Strange coming from a doctor imho

Speaking in absolutes is always problematic at best.
For example would you consider the death of 101 year old nursing home patient with no surviving family or friends that died peacefully at two in the morning in his sleep tragic?

There’s actually a famous saying in medicine that, “pneumonia is the old man’s best friend.” It dates back over 200 years.

Would you consider the death of a deranged mass murderer like Jeffrey Dahmer to be tragic?

Again absolutes are problematic.

 

[Gator Fever]

Speaking in absolutes is always problematic at best.
For example would you consider the death of 101 year old nursing home patient with no surviving family or friends that died peacefully at two in the morning in his sleep tragic?

There’s actually a famous saying in medicine that, “pneumonia is the old man’s best friend.” It dates back over 200 years.

Would you consider the death of a deranged mass murderer like Jeffrey Dahmer to be tragic?

Again absolutes are problematic.

Just curious what is your view as a doctor at a hospital if a family keeps someone alive (Medicare) on feeding tubes for quite a while (say many weeks) that are clearly on their death bed?

 

[BamaFan1137]

Speaking in absolutes is always problematic at best.
For example would you consider the death of 101 year old nursing home patient with no surviving family or friends that died peacefully at two in the morning in his sleep tragic?

There’s actually a famous saying in medicine that, “pneumonia is the old man’s best friend.” It dates back over 200 years.

Would you consider the death of a deranged mass murderer like Jeffrey Dahmer to be tragic?

Again absolutes are problematic.

Yes on both accounts. Tragic for very different reasons of course. I can explain my thinking if you like.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Agree on absolutes btw. Absolutes are always problematic. 😁

 

[gator1776]

Yes on both accounts. Tragic for very different reasons of course. I can explain my thinking if you like.

I appreciate your point of you but no matter how you define tragic I would respectfully disagree with you in those circumstances. I do not find the death of 101-year-old nursing home patient who died in his sleep with no friends or family to survive him tragic check live that patient has severe dementia or other medical problems. I also believe that the soul of the person survives. I think sometimes we view death with too much emotion and not enough realization that it is a part life.
I’ve seen an awful lot of death and dying professionally and personally. My views on it have evolved through the years for myself at least.
Hell I’m just lucky to be here

 

[instaGATOR]

So everyone should just trust the 1776 QUACK 😷 that's making $$$ off those that are dying due to a lack of proper treatment with a proven cure like Ivermectin....

A former Detroit news anchor who worked at the country’s first black-owned television station died last Tuesday — a day after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, a report said.
Karen Hudson-Samuels, 68, who also worked as a producer and news director at WGPR-TV, was found dead in her home by her husband, Cliff Samuels, CBS Detroit reported.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/former-news-anchor-dead-one-day-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccine/

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A coroner will consider if the cause of BBC presenter Lisa Shaw's death might have been complicated by her having had the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine. It confirms an investigation into Ms Shaw's death will be held and lists a "complication of AstraZeneca Covid-19 virus vaccination" as a consideration.
Her family said the 44-year-old was treated for blood clots days after her first jab. She died on Friday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169

Just the tip of this fast growing Vax (unproven treatment) iceberg....
It doesn't prevent getting it, nor does it prevent you from spreading it, but it might make you drop dead....

 

[instaGATOR]

Does Julie’s tragic horror story even need commentary? Yes, it does.

To you folks who haven’t yet been vaccinated, but are considering it … be afraid, very afraid. Julie’s story is NOT rare, despite the massive efforts of the Big Pharma, Government, and the Main Stream Media to convince you otherwise. They are lying to you. Politicians. Always. Lie.

Julie Noble Was Vaccinated. Here Are Her Before And After Videos. PLEASE Watch Them!!

BEFORE VACCINATION www.facebook.com/theWELLbuffalo/videos/thanks-ben-nobles-julie-ann-nobles-for-sharing-your-heart-and-what-thewell-means/676639809876215/ AFTER VACCINATION Does Julie’s trag…

www.theburningplatform.com

 

[BSC911]

Does Julie’s tragic horror story even need commentary? Yes, it does.

To you folks who haven’t yet been vaccinated, but are considering it … be afraid, very afraid. Julie’s story is NOT rare, despite the massive efforts of the Big Pharma, Government, and the Main Stream Media to convince you otherwise. They are lying to you. Politicians. Always. Lie.

Julie Noble Was Vaccinated. Here Are Her Before And After Videos. PLEASE Watch Them!!

BEFORE VACCINATION www.facebook.com/theWELLbuffalo/videos/thanks-ben-nobles-julie-ann-nobles-for-sharing-your-heart-and-what-thewell-means/676639809876215/ AFTER VACCINATION Does Julie’s trag…

www.theburningplatform.com

But “the burning platform”is the one reliable source. LOL.

 

[instaGATOR]

But “the burning platform”is the one reliable source. LOL.

The sources are legion, while the BS-C911 💩 is just a legend in his own ignorant and deluded mind....

Now why don't you give us your solid source that refutes the reality that the burning platform delivered. (crickets as usual)

 

[instaGATOR]

For those that don't like to use the provided links, you'll miss her post-vax video, but here is the article:

To you folks who haven’t yet been vaccinated, and never will … please show some sympathy and compassion.

With all the Karens out there yelling at us for not masking or properly distancing, the coverups and lies from Big Pharma, the fraudulent fakery from Faucci, a government turning authoritarian and hellbent on shredding our constitutional rights, and so much more …… it is easy to say to the Julie’s in America — “It serves you right!!“, or worse.

Me? I just can’t do that.

It’s not that I’m holy and righteous. Far from it!! I’m not virtue signaling either. The reason I won’t pile on Julie is because I still have a semblance of compassion and empathy left for another human being who is suffering …. AND I WON’T LET THEM TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! I will not become a heartless machine, a monster, a shell of my former self. I won’t give them that kind of power over me. I won’t let them win. I hope you can do likewise.

The Before video shows a genuinely happy family. Julie seems like a terrific mom, and certainly has her hands full with three young boys to raise. I doubt she has the kind of time old farts like me have to scour the net, read, research, ponder, ponder some more, and make a decision. If you find her at fault for that … you probably never raised three young sons.

No, Julie’s big mistake, I believe, is she trusted those in authority (especially Big Pharma and government.) “Surely, they wouldn’t lie to me!“, was her primary thinking pattern. Guess what? I was the same way when I was her age! It can take a long time (as it did for me) to finally realize, “Hey, my government doesn’t really give a shit about me!!“. I will not condemn this poor tortured soul for her naivete. I’ll bet she knows that truth now. I will say a soft prayer for her. I hope you do also.

To you folks who have been vaccinated … find God. Pray. I wish you well. Truly.

Peace.

 

[BSC911]

The sources are legion, while the BS-C911 💩 is just a legend in his own ignorant and deluded mind....

Now why don't you give us your solid source that refutes the reality that the burning platform delivered. (crickets as usual)

I don’t really care. All I know is that it’s odd you only put your faith in these obscure sites.

 

[instaGATOR]

I don’t really care. All I know is that it’s odd you only put your faith in these obscure sites.

So do me a really BIG favor please, and Don't Care somewhere other than my solid linked posts. My faith rests with my own ability to THINK, something that you seem incapable of....

Your own stupidity is this, you try to diss on a source, instead of being able to refute the credible information that is contained at the source. You're a prefect example of an empty boot...

 

[BSC911]

So do me a really BIG favor please, and Don't Care somewhere other than my solid linked posts. My faith rests with my own ability to THINK, something that you seem incapable of....

Your own stupidity is this, you try to diss on a source, instead of being able to refute the credible information that is contained at the source. You're a prefect example of an empty boot...

Like I said, feel free to trust whatever site you wish. Let me know when the Vaxxed hit 800,000 deaths in the US and millions worldwide.

 

[park_mike]

No
Not all loss of life is tragic.

I think loss of life is always tragic no matter who they are or how old. People have value to their loved ones, their friends, society in general, and their creator. Just my point of view. I don't wish death on anyone, even those who claim to be my enemies or wish me harm.

 

[BamaFan1137]

me know when the Vaxxed hit 800,000 deaths in the US and millions worldwide.

Feels like the goalposts just moved.

The total vaccinated dead people must now reach the total who have died from covid in general, including those that died before the vax was invented, before we can cast a doubtful eye towards the efficacy said vaccinations?

That's sort of an uncactchable standard, no? You get why, right?

 

[instaGATOR]

Beijing Brandon told Trump that anyone that let's 220,00 die of Kung Flu should resign.

Under Beijing Brandon, the death toll has surpassed 380,00, so why hasn't he resigned yet?

Those goalposts are off on a dead run (pun intended).....

And another thing that the Rats avoid like the plague is this:

Crew's are 100% Vaxed.
Passengers are 100% Vaxed.
But the Cruise Ship had to return to port from out at sea because of an outbreak of the Communist Red Chinese Kung Flu....

I no longer buy anything coming in from China.
Every container could be a Kung Flu Trojan Horse, sent to us by our good friends, the CCP in Wuhan....

 

[gator1776]

I think loss of life is always tragic no matter who they are or how old. People have value to their loved ones, their friends, society in general, and their creator. Just my point of view. I don't wish death on anyone, even those who claim to be my enemies or wish me harm.

And I would suspect that I’ve been around death a lot more than you have which is why we have very different opinions on this topic.

 

[instaGATOR]

Death of the body comes to everyone in it's own time.
"Forrest, death is just another part of life, we all have to do it eventually."

The 1st Law of Thermodynamics:
Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
To me that confirms that physical death is not the end.

Death of the soul through evil intent, or just lazy ignorance is much worse imo.

"The universe is not only stranger than you imagine, it's stranger than you can imagine..."

The INFINITE UNIVERSE! -- What part of the meaning of INFINITE have you yet to understand?

 

[BamaFan1137]

And I would suspect that I’ve been around death a lot more than you have which is why we have very different opinions on this topic.

I deal with death a great deal myself. Perhaps not as many as you but several per week for sure. Does that qualify my position?

I have my faith and I know where I will spend eternity. I'm certain that many who die in my presence or just prior to my arrival are in that same position. That doesn’t make the end of physical life any less tragic even if it's a natural death at the end of a long life. There are positives too, no doubt but it's the end of the physical journey. It's a tragic end and a glorious beginning in the best of circumstances.

 

[BSC911]

Feels like the goalposts just moved.

The total vaccinated dead people must now reach the total who have died from covid in general, including those that died before the vax was invented, before we can cast a doubtful eye towards the efficacy said vaccinations?

That's sort of an uncactchable standard, no? You get why, right?

No, but don’t tell me that you think vaccinated people have the same chance of dying and hospitalization as unvaccinated people, which seemEd to be the OP’s point. No one has ever claimed that vaccination is 100% effective or makes you immortal. So that’s just a straw man.

Id be glad to show you studies of the difference in case you’re interested.


Yes, or no, do you think vaccines help reduce serious negative outcomes from Covid 19?

 

[gator1776]

I deal with death a great deal myself. Perhaps not as many as you but several per week for sure. Does that qualify my position?

I have my faith and I know where I will spend eternity. I'm certain that many who die in my presence or just prior to my arrival are in that same position. That doesn’t make the end of physical life any less tragic even if it's a natural death at the end of a long life. There are positives too, no doubt but it's the end of the physical journey. It's a tragic end and a glorious beginning in the best of circumstances.

How do you deal with several deaths per week as a police officer? Do you live in South Chicago?

Will certainly grant you that the death you see are probably much more tragic and the kind that I see.

The problem with Americans we view death is tragic under any circumstances instead of a natural part of life. I can assure you many of the deaths I see are not tragic but welcome relief from intolerable suffering. And I can tell you the patients and the families Often agree.

 

[BSC911]

How do you deal with several deaths per week as a police officer? Do you live in South Chicago?

The problem with Americans as we view death is tragic under any circumstances instead of a natural part of life. I can assure you any of the deaths I see are not tragic but welcome relief from intolerable suffering. And I can tell you the patients and the families Often agree.

My mother, who passed away this past summer totally agreed. There was nothing tragic about her death, she lived a wonderful, faithful life.


The whole concept of not wanting to die a natural death is a very modern concept and the cause of much of our extremely overpriced medical care system. Celebrate life. Don’t fear death.

 

[gator1776]

My mother, who passed away this past summer totally agreed. There was nothing tragic about her death, she lived a wonderful, faithful life.


The whole concept of not wanting to die a natural death is a very modern concept and the cause of much of our extremely overpriced medical care system. Celebrate life. Don’t fear death.

Yeah I mean whenever we can reverse the process or fix it we need to, but we also need not fear death as much as we do. Lotta truth in your statement.

 

[BSC911]

So do me a really BIG favor please, and Don't Care somewhere other than my solid linked posts. My faith rests with my own ability to THINK, something that you seem incapable of....

Your own stupidity is this, you try to diss on a source, instead of being able to refute the credible information that is contained at the source. You're a prefect example of an empty boot...

Help me out here. Please explain this to me, without your usual histrionics

1. You claim to worship capitalism but can’t stand Big Pharma making money
2. You don’t trust Big Pharma, but hate any government regulation
3. You don’t believe anything from the “MSM“ but constantly post things from questionable or non reputable sources.
4. You dont believe in scientific experts that have risen to the top of their profession, but seem to latch onto junk science.

I sense a trend but I have a hard time figuring out people like you. You aren’t a troll like Ghost, you honestly think this way.. please help me understand. I’m honestly curious.

 

[NavigatorII]

No
Not all loss of life is tragic.

George Floyd is the posterchild for this comment.

 

[park_mike]

To me, all death is tragic from one standpoint as I believe all people have merit - equal merit - and their is not a hierarchy of value placed on individuals based on their contribution to society. The homeless man on the street has the same inherent value as the person volunteering at the soup kitchen trying to help them. When we start to base value of humans on their merit, we start skating on some very thin ice.

I agree that while all death is tragic to the extent that it extinguishes the ability of that individual to participate in this world, not every death is equally tragic. For example, the death of a two year old drowning in a swimming pool with their whole life ahead is not as tragic as the death of a 100 year old who is in failing health. In that manner, I agree some deaths are less tragic than others.

As to the argument that it is better for a suffering person to die than live, I don't think the suffering makes the death less tragic. The suffering itself is tragic in that without it, that life would be better off and lived more fully. In that manner, it is still tragic as the suffering is causing death to be a better alternative to life, which, in my opinion, is different than saying death is preferable to life in that instance. Hope that makes sense.

 

[BamaFan1137]

No, but don’t tell me that you think vaccinated people have the same chance of dying and hospitalization as unvaccinated people, which seemEd to be the OP’s point. No one has ever claimed that vaccination is 100% effective or makes you immortal. So that’s just a straw man.

Id be glad to show you studies of the difference in case you’re interested.


Yes, or no, do you think vaccines help reduce serious negative outcomes from Covid 19?

You're looking at it as a zero-sum game. I'm not. When deciding whether or not me and my family should get vaccinated, I certainly didn't view it as a zero-sum scenario. If you did, holy crap.

No one predicted the vaccine to be 100% effective. That's silly and no one intimidated anything so ridiculous.

However, no one predicted that the majority of people catching the variant would be vaccinated either.

I think the vaccination was a God-send for our most vulnerable. In my family, those are the ones who got vaccinated. I have no issue with anyone who got the shot but I took the approach that I outlined above.

 

[BamaFan1137]

How do you deal with several deaths per week as a police officer? Do you live in South Chicago?

Will certainly grant you that the death you see are probably much more tragic and the kind that I see.

The problem with Americans we view death is tragic under any circumstances instead of a natural part of life. I can assure you many of the deaths I see are not tragic but welcome relief from intolerable suffering. And I can tell you the patients and the families Often agree.

No, I'm a LEO from a rural county in Alabama. Every time someone dies outside of a hospital, we are called and a report is filed. Those numbers add up quickly. We are also called, obviously, when people die in accidents or by result of foul play.

My sister passed from breast cancer. Her death was a blessing because of the pain she endured and because of the future she faced. Fortunately it spread so quickly she was able to avoid much of that. Her death was still absolutely tragic. So yes, death can be a welcomed relief and entirely tragic.

 

[BSC911]

You're looking at it as a zero-sum game. I'm not. When deciding whether or not me and my family should get vaccinated, I certainly didn't view it as a zero-sum scenario. If you did, holy crap.

No one predicted the vaccine to be 100% effective. That's silly and no one intimidated anything so ridiculous.

However, no one predicted that the majority of people catching the variant would be vaccinated either.

I think the vaccination was a God-send for our most vulnerable. In my family, those are the ones who got vaccinated. I have no issue with anyone who got the shot but I took the approach that I outlined above.

I have no problem with everyone making their own decision. I have members of my own family who aren’t.

I think they are stupid and relying on false or questionable information, or maybe are just distrustful of anything coming from our government, but to each their own.

Glad to hear that you don’t really think people are safer without the vaccine.

PS. If you don’t understand why the majority of people catching the Omicron strain are vaccinated, then I don’t know what to tell you.

PSS.
Breaking News: Covid vaccines rarely cause serious problems in children 5 to 11, and most seriously ill children weren’t fully vaccinated, the C.D.C. reported.

 

[BamaFan1137]

PS. If you don’t understand why the majority of people catching the Omicron strain are vaccinated, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Then you don't know what to tell me...because it doesn't make sense to me in the numbers we have seen.

 

[BamaFan1137]

PSS.
Breaking News: Covid vaccines rarely cause serious problems in children 5 to 11, and most seriously ill children weren’t fully vaccinated, the C.D.C. reported

Pneumonia is still killing more children than covid in the age group that you defined.

Those that have passed were almost certainly in "the most vulnerable" category I mentioned previously and, imo, should have been vaccinated.

 

[gator1776]

No, I'm a LEO from a rural county in Alabama. Every time someone dies outside of a hospital, we are called and a report is filed. Those numbers add up quickly. We are also called, obviously, when people die in accidents or by result of foul play.

My sister passed from breast cancer. Her death was a blessing because of the pain she endured and because of the future she faced. Fortunately it spread so quickly she was able to avoid much of that. Her death was still absolutely tragic. So yes, death can be a welcomed relief and entirely tragic.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Sorry for your loss.

Thank you. The point wasn't to "guilt" you into acquiescence, however. It was over 10 years ago and while I still miss her daily, it's no longer an open wound.

I thanked God for allowing her to avoid the horrible things that her mind and body were going through or that she was about to face.

OTOH, she was my sister and she was very much like a second mother to me. She was also a single parent and an awesome mother to her actual son.

Her timely passing was a gift from God. Her death was absolutely tragic.

I don't know how else to put it but I'm certain that I'm not the first human to face that dichotomy.