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This may be our biggest unmet need in this class...would be a huge get!
This may be our biggest unmet need in this class...would be a huge get!
Charles Moore
- Thread starter Budster22
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Recruiting ended in August.
Dan can't win big games or recruit.
Typical drivel from a 'fevered brain' twit...
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#9 SDE/DT Charles Moore 6-4 240 **** - Louisville, MS (105/250)
MsSt,committed to Dan then. -- New Top 3 is UF - AU - TN
Offers: AU, UF, UGa, LSU, Ms, MsSt TN, etc
Dan can't win big games or recruit.
Typical drivel from a 'fevered brain' twit...
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#9 SDE/DT Charles Moore 6-4 240 **** - Louisville, MS (105/250)
MsSt,committed to Dan then. -- New Top 3 is UF - AU - TN
Offers: AU, UF, UGa, LSU, Ms, MsSt TN, etc
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lol I will gladly eat major crow if we end up with a top 10 rivals class. We probably will if we get one more blue chipper in addition to Elam. Also Rivals might upgrade a player or two we have signed already.
We do need top 5 area classes next class to get to the promised land but that should be readily attainable with FSU and Miami's apparent collapse. Mullen had a lot of top out of state guys this class.
If that is true, it might be the greatest post you have ever made on this Board (and astonishingly concise too).While ignoring the fact that Clemson's last 4 classes average a 10.5 Class, while winning 2 of the last 3 NC's.
Insta is correct. 247Sports does composite rankings and for 2015-2018 Clemson's recruiting rankings were 9, 11, 16 & 7. That's actually a 10.75 average. Check it out: https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/
Somewhere out there, there is a dude named “Clemson Fever” that is bummed out over Clemson’s recruiting rankings despite the National Titles.
While ignoring the fact that Clemson's last 4 classes average a 10.5 Class, while winning 2 of the last 3 NC's.
EDIT - Clemson rivals ranking 2016-19 = 10.5
We have been over that many times here while Clemson's recruiting was better than their class rankings. Also they have the luxury of not playing a schedule constantly filled with those other teams with the top recruits.
What insta fool fails to point out is ClemPson only took 14 commits in 2017 skewing instants composite score from the questionable 247 rankings
Hang in there Fevered- Brain
I wouldn't exactly jump to conclusions on Miami's collapse just yet. All they need is a QB and if the Alabama guy heads there instead of other options, they could very well be a 10 win team. 10 wins, new head coach, and beating Florida for the first game of 2019, and I guarantee you their recruiting will get a major jumpstart.
Also - Clemson had like 11 5-star recruits in there starting Off/Def for that game. The way they recruit doesn't lend itself to direct comparisons. They are kind of unique.
247Sports ranking are probably the most accurate because they take the composite rankings of all the major recruiting services. And over a 4-year period, which is what Insta says, you get a very accurate picture of how a team's recruiting sticks up against others. All teams have years where they sign more than others, some when they sign less. A 4 year average seems fair and accurate.What insta fool fails to point out is ClemPson only took 14 commits in 2017 skewing instants composite score from the questionable 247 rankings
Hang in there Fevered- Brain
Hmmm I think the last time Miami truly had a good team was 2003. They haven’t even won the ACC yet. Collapse?? They have been a dumpster fire for over a decade.
They did start 2018 out in the top 10 for good reason, they did very well in 2017 and returned most of their players. For 2018 their defense was stellar, I believe it was the #1 run defense in the country at the end of it all. Their problem was QB play was atrocious and we know from the past 7 years how that will absolutely derail a season. They are bringing back most of their defense next year
It doesn’t matter where you start but where you finish. They had a decent record in 2017 but look at their schedule and look at who they beat (nobody with a pulse). They played a bunch of tomato cans all season long. Yes they have a very good defense. But again their last truly good team was 2003.
So does someone know something about this guy other than what I see online which is that he is 100% Auburn? I suppose this is premium content or insider knowledge or something. Also seeing that Elam is now heading to UGLY but eh, nothing is certain till the paperwork is signed.
It's all reading tea leaves at this point. Elam is probably ours - he's finishing his OV with GA and then will make his decision however everything points to the Good Guys picking him up.
Moore is probably 50-50 with us and Auburn it looks like. I don't see anyone "in the know" that feels really good or bad so this one goes to the wire, until further notice.
MAR - Mark-Anthony Richards is looking more like a UF guy but just barely. Challenge here is that it looks like he wants to be a pure RB in college and UF looks to use him more like Percy. This is conjecture - but people in the know think that might push him to Auburn. Still tea leaves though.
There's a few other guys that might be takes depending on the above but they are more marginal/projects.
Quick edit: I forgot to mention that the journalist/insiders didn't expect anyone to pop with a commitment this past weekend, which suggests that the above are still works in progress. The quote was that they didn't have any player on "commitment watch".
Moore is probably 50-50 with us and Auburn it looks like. I don't see anyone "in the know" that feels really good or bad so this one goes to the wire, until further notice.
MAR - Mark-Anthony Richards is looking more like a UF guy but just barely. Challenge here is that it looks like he wants to be a pure RB in college and UF looks to use him more like Percy. This is conjecture - but people in the know think that might push him to Auburn. Still tea leaves though.
There's a few other guys that might be takes depending on the above but they are more marginal/projects.
Quick edit: I forgot to mention that the journalist/insiders didn't expect anyone to pop with a commitment this past weekend, which suggests that the above are still works in progress. The quote was that they didn't have any player on "commitment watch".
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Well honestly, other than absolute NEED at DL and then the extra CB depth with Elam, we have hit all of our targets of need this class.
I think that's why we're a bit freaked out here at the end. Get Elam and Moore - pretty much a perfect class for filling out the roster. Doing so with a ton of blue chippers should put us in the Top 8-10 range.
But that assumes that over 4 years all schools will sign an even amount of players, they don’t. That’s the only way the average would make sense. Like let’s say one year a team signs 20, but then the next year signs 30 to make up for the 5 they didn’t sign the year before. The end result is they still get to 50 and ‘evens out’ but that’s not what happens. For example Alabama has signed almost almost 20 more prospects than Clemson over the past 4 years so even taking the average it doesn’t even out.
I don’t agree with Fever on much when it comes to recruiting but on this he’s right. Just looking at Clemson’s final ranking only is flawed because they’ve had some small classes which hurts you in the rankings because you don’t accumulate enough points to be ranked highly even if you get great quality. For example their 2017 class ranked 22 had three 5-stars in it, only three other teams had more 5-stars. Their quality was top 10 yet they were ranked 22 because they only signed 14, and the top 20 is what gets calculated in rankings. So they were 6 short of even meeting the minimum for points compared to other classes. Same thing with their 2018 class, ranked 8 yet they signed SIX 5-stars, only UGA signed more. Their per player average was actually top 3, yet they’re ranked 8 because they only signed 17 and couldn’t accumulate enough points as other teams in the top 5 even though they had far more quality.
76% of Clemson’s roster this year was made up of 4 or 5-star recruits, that was 5th in the entire country. Bama, UGA, and Ohio State, and USC I believe were the only schools with a higher percentage. It’s just a myth that Clemson has been winning with lowly rated classes unless you’re just looking on the surface. Their QUALITY has been top 5, they just haven’t signed a lot of players which hurt them in the rankings. Their last two championship QB’s, Lawrence and Watson, both 5-stars and both ranked #1 at their position coming out. And 11 of their 22 starters in the title game were ranked 5-stars by at least one of the services. They’ve signed more 5-stars the last 4 years than all but 4 schools.
The 247Sports composite rankings had Clemson #16, not 22, for 2017, with two 5 stars and eight 4 stars. In 2015 Clemson signed 26 players, with three 5 stars and nine 4 stars and were ranked 9th. In 2016, they signed 21, with one 5 star and eleven 4 stars and were ranked 11th. For 2018, Clemson signed only 17, but had five 5 stars and seven 4 stars in that group and finished 7th in the rankings. You've made some valid points, oozie, but overall a 4-year average is still a pretty good gauge, IMO. It's all speculation anyway, but the idea is that the schools that are consistently in the hunt for titles have consistently good recruiting classes AND have coaches who know how to develop the talent they get. Dabo and Saban probably have done that better than anybody over the last 5-7 years. You can find some underachieving coaches, also, by looking at schools who have composite rankings over a 4-5 year period in or near the Top 10 and their teams don't perform to that level. Recruiting rankings aren't a be all/tell all, but the point Insta was making is still valid - you don't have to be in the Top 5 every year to contend for championships. Just be around the Top 10, recruit to your needs and then develop the players you get.
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I was using Rivals since that’s what we’re on but that I’ll agree with you on. Top 5 isn’t required as long as you hit on crucial positions like QB and dline. My only point is people keep holding Clemson out as some kind of program who does more with less and it’s really not the case. Both their QB’s will be top 10 NFL picks for example and I’m pretty sure no other school in the country will be able to say that.
It’s pretty simple to me. Mullen and his staff have shown they recruit well enough and now how to fill “needs”. All Mullen needs is a good QB and we will be in the national title discussion.
He has a good QB (Franks) and we are in the national title discussion.
#7 in preseason. Probable favorites in 10 of 12 games next year. QB accounted for 31 TD's last year. I predict Franks will account for 44 TD's next year. I think Mullen would agree. We have an excellent QB.
Well let's start with building a good offensive line and then I'm sure Mullen can take any QB and make him good. O line that is rebuilt from basically scratch is where we make or break for 2019.
In fact, if those kids aren't in the weight room right now, my question is, why not?
Agree with this also. This class will be a perfect example. 3-4 more or the same quality and we’d be in the conversation.
100% - Clemson is the recruiting-outler in terms of statistics.
Get a once-in-5 year elite QB, DT on the same team and you can make up a lot of ground on folks. People overplay the Clemson example though - I think they had a 72 man roster with like 50+ 4 and 5 star guys on it. 11 of their starters were 5 stars and they were healthy.
Another factor that comes into play is kids coming in that don't count in the recruiting rankings. Florida's 2018 class is a perfect example. In Mullen's 1st class he officially signed 20, with zero 5 stars, thirteen 4 stars and seven 3 stars and finished the 247Sports composite rankings at #14. That included JUCO transfers Lucas Krull & Noah Banks, but did NOT include Adam Shuler, Van Jefferson & Trevon Grimes. How much higher would we be if those 3 were included? Then, out of that class, we lose Justin Watkins due to stupid activities that got him booted, and Randy Russell, whose health issues prevented him from playing. Lots of things outside of the raw signing day numbers come into play in determining how good or bad a class really is.
And yet, they’ll blow our doors off in Orlando. sadgator is already pissed off and the game is like 7 1/2 months away....
2018 Clemp's-son
@ aTm, FSU, and 10-3 Syracuse
CU 30 - 3 Neutered Lame
CU 44 - 16 Alabama (highest recruit class ranking average in the nation)
The claim that you have to have a Top 5 or better recruiting class average is BS.
Live with your incorrect stupidity...
You have to have quality players that stay healthy, eligible, and develop.
The recruit rankings are the tea readers, and they are often wrong...
I'll trust Mullen's choices over rankings every time...
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How’s that? They aren’t beating us with Mullen on our sidelines and with Diaz as their head coach. I think we win pretty easily. We don’t suck. They do
We're going to beat them like a drum.
I'm going to be concerned if Jalen Hurts goes there.
He already has a relationship with Enos and could get things moving quickly on us.
He already has a relationship with Enos and could get things moving quickly on us.
