Anyone else have an issue with Trump's antifa declaration?

[CommieGator]

I mean, thinking about it historically, and within my own family- My grandfather was an ardent "Anti-fascist" who went to France, armed with an M1 Garand by his country, with the specific purpose of killing fascists. He never really talked about his time in Europe in the 1940's, but from the bits and pieces I heard, seems like he felt he did his duty, so reading between the lines, I'm guessing he got a few.

My grandpa wouldn't tolerate two kinds of people: 1. Scabs- He was a union man through and through working on the railroad, and hated scabs more than anything- to his core. 2. Fascists- He once told me he wished he'd met Nathan Forrest, only so he could "punch him in the goddamn eye."

It makes me think about who decides what "antifa" really is? From what I understand it's an ephemeral group, with no central leadership that organizes activities on closed facebook groups or the dark web... There are no membership cards, dues paid, mailing lists, etc. It's just kind of floating out there. I'm opposed to nazis- Am I one?

We know the black bloc folks use/abuse and manipulate the peaceful folks for cover, as human shields, and as dumb muscle in their own political/anarchist agenda- Should be brought to account. Black bloc are worse than the cops, or the same as- At least with them the cops could catch them with a brick or a hammer in front of a Starbucks.

I'm just worried at how broadly the "antifa" label will be applied, and by whom. How clearly is it defined?

Thoughts? Should be clearly defined, no?

 

[IrishPokerDog]

I mean, thinking about it historically, and within my own family- My grandfather was an ardent "Anti-fascist" who went to France, armed with an M1 Garand by his country, with the specific purpose of killing fascists. He never really talked about his time in Europe in the 1940's, but from the bits and pieces I heard, seems like he felt he did his duty, so reading between the lines, I'm guessing he got a few.

My grandpa wouldn't tolerate two kinds of people: 1. Scabs- He was a union man through and through working on the railroad, and hated scabs more than anything- to his core. 2. Fascists- He once told me he wished he'd met Nathan Forrest, only so he could "punch him in the goddamn eye."

It makes me think about who decides what "antifa" really is? From what I understand it's an ephemeral group, with no central leadership that organizes activities on closed facebook groups or the dark web... There are no membership cards, dues paid, mailing lists, etc. It's just kind of floating out there. I'm opposed to nazis- Am I one?

We know the black bloc folks use/abuse and manipulate the peaceful folks for cover, as human shields, and as dumb muscle in their own political/anarchist agenda- Should be brought to account. Black bloc are worse than the cops, or the same as- At least with them the cops could catch them with a brick or a hammer in front of a Starbucks.

I'm just worried at how broadly the "antifa" label will be applied, and by whom. How clearly is it defined?

Thoughts? Should be clearly defined, no?

Commie, I could care less about the name, but if someone is involved in enabling riots, encouraging violence, and burning courthouses and other buildings ... then you are engage in sedition and terrorism

 

[CommieGator]

Commie, I could care less about the name, but if someone is involved in enabling riots, encouraging violence, and burning courthouses and other buildings ... then you are engage in sedition and terrorism

Totally agree! My only worry is about WHO is deciding who's what when it comes to defining someone as a "_____". Violence, mayhem, and the destruction of lives and property should never be tolerated.

Trump has declared "antifa" a terrorist group... Great- Who/What exactly are they? Was my grandpa one sixty years ago? Am I one today? Will you be one tomorrow? I'm only asking for precision here

 

[nail1988]

Here’s precision KommieG

from high IQ James Woods









antifa and the radical left anarchist need to be crushed

 

[Orangeclad]

Follow the money. Somebody, George Soros maybe, or some group is funding these riots. Some 28 year old scumbag from Galesburg IL ain't getting to Chicago and Minneapolis on his own dime. This war will have to be won be gathering intelligence to get to the leaders.

 

[CommieGator]

Here’s precision KommieG

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antifa and the radical left anarchist need to be crushed

This might be most stupid thing I've ever seen on this board since 2006.

 

[CommieGator]

Follow the money. Somebody, George Soros maybe, or some group is funding these riots. Some 28 year old scumbag from Galesburg IL ain't getting to Chicago and Minneapolis on his own dime. This war will have to be won be gathering intelligence to get to the leaders.

Follow the money. Somebody, George Soros maybe, or some group is funding these riots. Some 28 year old scumbag from Galesburg IL ain't getting to Chicago and Minneapolis on his own dime. This war will have to be won be gathering intelligence to get to the leaders.

 

[CommieGator]

Fair points all. I'm just saying, we need to be careful of labels, and those that are applying them.

 

[LinksGator]

MAGA just a label
Antifa more than label
SS More than a label
Antifa are cowards who hide in the back of these crowds and incite where they can. They are more fascist than those they attack.
WWII veterans true heroes willing to put their lives on the line for freedom.
Politicians are just like Antifa they stand in the back and throw shit hoping something sticks.

Would your grandfather commend you for your username, just asking for precision.

 

[IrishPokerDog]

Antifa phuckers are buying PALLETS of bricks and dumping them in riot areas

 

[CommieGator]

Antifa is every bit as fascist as the fascists they purport to oppose.... even more so as far as I’m concerned.

Great! I agree! What's their address so I can go and protest right outside the door? If you read my original post, you know I hate the black bloc that abuses these commuities.

 

[nail1988]

MAGA just a label
Antifa more than label
SS More than a label
Antifa are cowards who hide in the back of these crowds and incite where they can. They are more fascist than those they attack.
WWII veterans true heroes willing to put their lives on the line for freedom.
Politicians are just like Antifa they stand in the back and throw shit hoping something sticks.

Would your grandfather commend you for your username, just asking for precision.

antifa is the paramilitary wing of the democrat party and funded by Soros

 

[CommieGator]

MAGA just a label
Antifa are cowards who hide in the back of these crowds and incite where they can. They are more fascist than those they attack.
WWII veterans true heroes willing to put their lives on the line for freedom.
Politicians are just like Antifa they stand in the back and throw shit hoping something sticks.

Would your grandfather commend you for your username, just asking for precision.

No shit, Einstein! But who are they, and who decides who they are..

Read the OP! My grandad would be proud, I hate scabs and nazis too! Now all of a sudden I could be on a list.

 

[CommieGator]

Antifa phuckers are buying PALLETS of bricks and dumping them in riot areas

Please provide proof. Proof- like real police reports, not some bullshit twitter links, facebook bullshit, 4chan greentexts or reddit posts. I'm talking receipts from Home Despot or Lowes, etc.

 

[BamaFan1137]

No shit, Einstein! But who are they, and who decides who they are..

Read the OP! My grandad would be proud, I hate scabs and nazis too! Now all of a sudden I could be on a list.

Are you burning buildings, throwing bricks at law enforcement, building incendiary bombs, enciting protests into violent riots or doing your dead level best to create anarchy?

If yes then yes, you might be on the list. If you're not doing any of those things, you're good.

This isn't that hard.

 

[CommieGator]

OK- To be 100% clear- The rightful anger and fury at the murder Mr. Floyd (watch the video) is legit- There should be outrage, condemnation and protest (peaceful).

The way the way subversive groups- That don't care about the issue or about the plight of the black man in America are manipulating/using the peaceful protests are appalling. Those white kids in skinny jeans breaking the windows are actually trying to lure in everyday people in an attempt to deflect the response to black communities, remain hidden while using the black man as a scapegoat and a shield is abhorrent.

Read my posts before- The black bloc are worse than cops. They should be arrested.

At the same time, I have a serious problem with Trump passing out blanket labels with no specificity. So should you.

 

[BamaFan1137]

OK- To be 100% clear- The rightful anger and fury at the murder Mr. Floyd (watch the video) is legit- There should be outrage, condemnation and protest (peaceful).

The way the way subversive groups- That don't care about the issue or about the plight of the black man in America are manipulating/using the peaceful protests are appalling. Those white kids in skinny jeans breaking the windows are actually trying to lure in everyday people in an attempt to deflect the response to black communities, remain hidden while using the black man as a scapegoat and a shield is abhorrent.

Read my posts before- The black bloc are worse than cops. They should be arrested.

At the same time, I have a serious problem with Trump passing out blanket labels with no specificity. So should you.

Those white kids are anarchists who are trying to capitalize on legitimate anger.

I was just pretty specific. I'm not really sure what you don't get.

Antifa's goal is anarchy, period. Maybe that wasn't the case when the first skinny Jean's got together but that's clearly the goal today.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I mean, thinking about it historically, and within my own family- My grandfather was an ardent "Anti-fascist" who went to France, armed with an M1 Garand by his country, with the specific purpose of killing fascists. He never really talked about his time in Europe in the 1940's, but from the bits and pieces I heard, seems like he felt he did his duty, so reading between the lines, I'm guessing he got a few.

My grandpa wouldn't tolerate two kinds of people: 1. Scabs- He was a union man through and through working on the railroad, and hated scabs more than anything- to his core. 2. Fascists- He once told me he wished he'd met Nathan Forrest, only so he could "punch him in the goddamn eye."

It makes me think about who decides what "antifa" really is? From what I understand it's an ephemeral group, with no central leadership that organizes activities on closed facebook groups or the dark web... There are no membership cards, dues paid, mailing lists, etc. It's just kind of floating out there. I'm opposed to nazis- Am I one?

We know the black bloc folks use/abuse and manipulate the peaceful folks for cover, as human shields, and as dumb muscle in their own political/anarchist agenda- Should be brought to account. Black bloc are worse than the cops, or the same as- At least with them the cops could catch them with a brick or a hammer in front of a Starbucks.

I'm just worried at how broadly the "antifa" label will be applied, and by whom. How clearly is it defined?

Thoughts? Should be clearly defined, no?

Yes, my problem is it's three years too late.

Actually I think I know why he waited. Keep watching...

 

[IrishPokerDog]

OK- To be 100% clear- The rightful anger and fury at the murder Mr. Floyd (watch the video) is legit- There should be outrage, condemnation and protest (peaceful).

The way the way subversive groups- That don't care about the issue or about the plight of the black man in America are manipulating/using the peaceful protests are appalling. Those white kids in skinny jeans breaking the windows are actually trying to lure in everyday people in an attempt to deflect the response to black communities, remain hidden while using the black man as a scapegoat and a shield is abhorrent.

Read my posts before- The black bloc are worse than cops. They should be arrested.

At the same time, I have a serious problem with Trump passing out blanket labels with no specificity. So should you.

I agree 100% ... but there are Antifa cells in a lot of cities; I’ve heard 400 or so. And there’s money being spent. And there is arrested peeps talking. So there ARE legit evidence that need’s to be used .... I’m not for some nebulous description of Antifa boogeymen that dragnets a crapload of people.... that’s BS, and not what anybody is talking about

Trump paints with a big azz brush, but nobody in justice is going to handle designating a domestic terriers group
In a half-assed way

 

[CommieGator]

Those white kids are anarchists who are trying to capitalize on legitimate anger.

THANK YOU!!!! I'm a white kid (well I'm nearly fifty years old so more of a man at this point), I'm guessing you're one too.

Bottom line- When we start choosing what person (Trump) is ok to call other people "X" without clear definitions, I cold become an "X" and so could you.

I applaud Trump for clamping down on these black bloc ****ers. I hate nazis, I think you do as well, and well **** scabs- but I don't want the whims of one man deciding within one group I belong.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Please provide proof. Proof- like real police reports, not some bullshit twitter links, facebook bullshit, 4chan greentexts or reddit posts. I'm talking receipts from Home Despot or Lowes, etc.

That's the DOJ's job. Leave them alone and let them do their work.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Stalin was virulently anti-fascist, pro communist and a fan of anarchy.

It's not much of a surprise that a dude with Commie in his name is asking the questions that we've read ITT.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

THANK YOU!!!! I'm a white kid (well I'm nearly fifty years old so more of a man at this point), I'm guessing you're one too.

Bottom line- When we start choosing what person (Trump) is ok to call other people "X" without clear definitions, I cold become an "X" and so could you.

I applaud Trump for clamping down on these black bloc ****ers. I hate nazis, I think you do as well, and well **** scabs- but I don't want the whims of one man deciding within one group I belong.

If you are going around rioting then you've got bigger problems than whether or not Trump said you were doing it as a member of antifa.

Amazing how libs always find the most meaningless element and try to magnify it 100X to block out the REAL ISSUE that they don't want to be addressed.

 

[BamaFan1137]

THANK YOU!!!! I'm a white kid (well I'm nearly fifty years old so more of a man at this point), I'm guessing you're one too.

Bottom line- When we start choosing what person (Trump) is ok to call other people "X" without clear definitions, I cold become an "X" and so could you.

I applaud Trump for clamping down on these black bloc ****ers. I hate nazis, I think you do as well, and well **** scabs- but I don't want the whims of one man deciding within one group I belong.

I defined antifa for you ITT as it relates to these riots and recent riots. It's not the mystery that you're making it out to be.

I dislike, in equal parts, fascists and anarchists/communists. Fascists tried, yet failed, to kill more innocents than the communists. That's their respective legacies.

 

[BamaFan1137]

If you are going around rioting then you've got bigger problems than whether or not Trump said you were doing it as a member of antifa.

And if that's not enough, these people are hiding behind others with legitimate grievances in order to deflect blame from themselves for their own horrible actions.

They're sowing racial discord for their own agenda. If that's anti-fascism then I'm the Pope.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Yes, my problem is it's three years too late.

Actually I think I know why he waited. Keep watching...

Well that was quick...

"But even before riots exploded across the United States in the aftermath of George Floyd's death, federal and local officials have long been investigating the inner workings and revenue stream of the anarchist, left-wing outfit."

"And arrests among its highest ranks may be imminent."

"Intelligence sources pointed out that indictments have been building for some time, and a close examination of funding revenues remains under the microscope. While Antifa operates as something of a leaderless militant wing, sources closely engaged in the matter said that there are identifiable top brass driving and inciting criminal activity."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-arrests-coming-riots-suburbs


"have long been investigating".

 

[CommieGator]

[QUOTE="BamaFan1137, post: 1726781, member: 79498"

It's not much of a surprise that a dude with Commie in his name is asking the questions that we've read ITT.[/QUOTE]

edit for decorum.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I agree 100% ... but there are Antifa cells in a lot of cities; I’ve heard 400 or so. And there’s money being spent. And there is arrested peeps talking. So there ARE legit evidence that need’s to be used .... I’m not for some nebulous description of Antifa boogeymen that dragnets a crapload of people.... that’s BS, and not what anybody is talking about

Trump paints with a big azz brush, but nobody in justice is going to handle designating a domestic terriers group
In a half-assed way

If you're building bombs or incendiaries, burning buildings, throwing bricks at LE, shooting LE, running over LE or hijacking legitimate grievances for the purpose of sowing the seeds of anarchy, or if you're knowingly supporting the above activities financially, you are antifa....and you are a domestic terrorist.

 

[instaGATOR]

Totally agree! My only worry is about WHO is deciding who's what when it comes to defining someone as a "_____". Violence, mayhem, and the destruction of lives and property should never be tolerated.

Trump has declared "antifa" a terrorist group... Great- Who/What exactly are they? Was my grandpa one sixty years ago? Am I one today? Will you be one tomorrow? I'm only asking for precision here

ANTIFA is a fascist organization, if you KNOW what they stand for and what actions they engage in. They are funded by a billionaire criminal socialist named George Soros. He also helped fund the Wuhan Lab that imo gave us the Red Chinese Kung Flu.

You (among others here) desperately need to read 'The Big Lie' - Exposing The NAZI Roots of the American Left -- by Dinesh D'Souza

But NO, your grandpa was not anything like a fascist NAZI....

 

[nail1988]

ANTIFA is a fascist organization, if you KNOW what they stand for and what actions they engage in. They are funded by a billionaire criminal socialist named George Soros. He also helped fund the Wuhan Lab that imo gave us the Red Chinese Kung Flu.

You (among others here) desperately need to read 'The Big Lie' - Exposing The NAZI Roots of the American Left -- by Dinesh D'Souza

But NO, your grandpa was not anything like a fascist NAZI....

 

[BamaFan1137]

But NO, your grandpa was not anything like a fascist NAZI....

My guess is that grandpa was a Communist or a Socialist.

If fascism and communism are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, and imo they are not, then the political spectrum is circular rather than linear. They are two sides of the same coin especially as it pertains to the distribution of power.

 

[BamaFan1137]

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lmao, now that is funny.

 

[instaGATOR]

My guess is that grandpa was a Communist or a Socialist.

If fascism and communism are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, and imo they are not, then the political spectrum is circular rather than linear. They are two sides of the same coin especially as it pertains to the distribution of power.

With both, there is always a very large gap between the theory and the application.

Socialism is the base for both and it works fairly well for some, (those riding the all consuming governmental power), until you run out of other peoples money...

 

[IrishPokerDog]

My guess is that grandpa was a Communist or a Socialist.

If fascism and communism are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, and imo they are not, then the political spectrum is circular rather than linear. They are two sides of the same coin especially as it pertains to the distribution of power.

I also have considered the spectrum circular in the same fashion.... differences without distinction

 

[BamaFan1137]

I also have considered the spectrum circular in the same fashion.... differences without distinction

Thank God Hitler hated Stalin. Stalin apparently feared Hitler but had a great deal of respect for him prior to Operation Odessa.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Well that was quick...

"But even before riots exploded across the United States in the aftermath of George Floyd's death, federal and local officials have long been investigating the inner workings and revenue stream of the anarchist, left-wing outfit."

"And arrests among its highest ranks may be imminent."

"Intelligence sources pointed out that indictments have been building for some time, and a close examination of funding revenues remains under the microscope. While Antifa operates as something of a leaderless militant wing, sources closely engaged in the matter said that there are identifiable top brass driving and inciting criminal activity."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-arrests-coming-riots-suburbs


"have long been investigating".

Lets hope they have Soros on conspiracy and RICO at a minimum...no plea deals. Rest of his life in jail and confiscation of his entire fortune must be the goals.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Fascism, Socialism and Communism are all leftist collectivist ideologies

"...Frankfurt School philosophers such as Theodor A. Adorno and Herbert Marcuse redefined fascism and Nazism as being right wing. In fact, the New Left apostle, Theodor W. Adorno was, according to Dinesh D'Souza, the inventor of the repackaging of fascism as a form of capitalism and moral traditionalism. By doing so, fascism was reinvented as a rightwing ideology that focused on "free markets and support for the traditional moral order," the very two elements that true fascists hated."

Fascism is a left wing ideology with nationalist rather than globalist tendencies

They needed to redefine it because after Hitler and Mussolini that brand of collectivism was totally discredited in the eyes of most of the world.

 

[IrishPokerDog]

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Love me some Nugent!

 

[instaGATOR]

Transference leads to the need for the Big Lies, of which there are several...

 

[BamaFan1137]

Fascism, Socialism and Communism are all leftist collectivist ideologies

"...Frankfurt School philosophers such as Theodor A. Adorno and Herbert Marcuse redefined fascism and Nazism as being right wing. In fact, the New Left apostle, Theodor W. Adorno was, according to Dinesh D'Souza, the inventor of the repackaging of fascism as a form of capitalism and moral traditionalism. By doing so, fascism was reinvented as a rightwing ideology that focused on "free markets and support for the traditional moral order," the very two elements that true fascists hated."

Fascism is a left wing ideology with nationalist rather than globalist tendencies

They needed to redefine it because after Hitler and Mussolini that brand of collectivism was totally discredited in the eyes of most of the world.

Interesting. Initially Italy navigated the Great Depression better than most European nations and FDR was complimentary of Mussolini during the early years.

Sort of makes sense.