And they say our fans cant' let it go
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Where in the article does it say that most of the players on the team didn't care for Tebow?? I must have missed that.
Spot on again Michi!!
You are dominating this thread the way Meyer dominated our rivals (or the way Muschamp was dominated by our rivals, if you'd rather that.....)
Curious as to where you got this? I must have missed it if it was in that article. What I've heard is the exact opposite of what you write here (that the team almost universally liked him as a person, helped by the fact that he didn't seek the spotlight)
Supposedly Tebow and Spikes got into it in 09 about the offense screwing up a lot or something like that.
Not from the article, a guy I've known since middle school played on that team. But if you just read the article it mentions how all the players accepted that the cameras always found Tebow, but that they were ok with it as long as they won. That's a lie, many of the players resented it. And also resented the fact that he got tons of special treatment from Meyer. Also, he wasn't THE leader on that team like was portrayed in the media, and the article touches on that only slightly. Guys like Harvin, Spikes, Black, etc. were more respected and who plenty of guys on the team looked up to. You don't have to believe me, that's fine.
Cameras were on Tebow because he played hard and didn't go down with a simple "Oh my balls are hurt"...
Understood, but many people in the media and fans alike acted like he was the only reason we won games. And the flipside to that was that when we lost his name was hardly ever mentioned, regardless of if he did or did not play poorly. Definitely wasn't his fault, but within a team that can cause issues.
Meyer won 2 national titles at UF. More than anybody else that has coached at this school. Sure he made a mistake or two. Even the great ones makes mistakes. He's not the reason that UF is where we are at right now.
And yes IMO he is the GOAT or at worst case in the top 3.
And yes IMO he is the GOAT or at worst case in the top 3.
He was one LSU fake FG from being back in Atlanta without a functional QB and landed the top class in the nation. Seema kind of GOAT-like to me.
You know we are going on our 5th year of hearing how the Saban-ites don't have "their" players, etc, etc, etc.
Keep in mind that Meyer won the '06 title without "his style" of player including an imobile QB the size of Mac's undersized Treon.
I don't' disagree with you...he left things a mess and conveniently left before the 'avalanche' hit...so that does suck...but if Muschamp hadn't happened then we would be better already...bad hire and everyone knows that, and I realize that nobody is really debating that either. All I'm saying is that Meyer is a great coach, he knows how to win, and if we had to either hire Meyer again or not...we would be fools to not have done it. I mean 2 National Titles in the 6 seasons he was here...yeah we take that and then make a better hire than Muschamp...Meyer left things a mess and Muschamp really F'ed it up but you can't put on Meyer what Muschamp did.
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"One game does not a trend make. Over time, OSU has not fared well against SEC teams."
I could care less right now about past results. OSU has never, I repeat never had even close to the overall team speed we now feature. And that's all Urban. The list of former HS track stars and sprint champions is mind-boggling. Just ask little Nicky and Alabama. Why do you think we hit so many intermediate passes against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. They were terrified of Smith and Thomas (and others) getting behind them which left the 15 to 20 yard passes open all day. Cardale Jones had a field day. So yeah, just keep thinking we're the same slow, lumbering Buckeyes.
Plus, I think it's time to quit pointing the finger at Urban. It's been what, 5 or 6 years now. Good Lord, I mean at what point do you start pointing the finger at someone in your administration for the basically non-factor/funk position your program is now in ? And you're right in the middle of maybe the most fertile HS recruiting territory in the U.S. I know if Urban left after this year, sure I'd be disappointed, but would fully expect OSU to keep its winning tradition going - no excuses. Obviously, many on this board don't feel that way. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
I could care less right now about past results. OSU has never, I repeat never had even close to the overall team speed we now feature. And that's all Urban. The list of former HS track stars and sprint champions is mind-boggling. Just ask little Nicky and Alabama. Why do you think we hit so many intermediate passes against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. They were terrified of Smith and Thomas (and others) getting behind them which left the 15 to 20 yard passes open all day. Cardale Jones had a field day. So yeah, just keep thinking we're the same slow, lumbering Buckeyes.
Plus, I think it's time to quit pointing the finger at Urban. It's been what, 5 or 6 years now. Good Lord, I mean at what point do you start pointing the finger at someone in your administration for the basically non-factor/funk position your program is now in ? And you're right in the middle of maybe the most fertile HS recruiting territory in the U.S. I know if Urban left after this year, sure I'd be disappointed, but would fully expect OSU to keep its winning tradition going - no excuses. Obviously, many on this board don't feel that way. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Sigh this argument again.
He was very up and down. In 6 years he had three 13-1 seasons sandwiched around average seasons.
It seems rather apparent that after the 2008 class signed, the attention to detail in player development and actual recruiting nose dived. The 2010 class is a good example. Loads of talent, loads of head cases and egos that felt entitled and didn't respect anyone.
So yes, the early years of Muschamp were heavily influenced by those factors. It certainly didn't help that we hired an inexperienced head coach, but we also tried to completely refocus the offensive strategy to an entirely different style of play AND try to run the cleanest program around.
This is what has always frustrated me about these conversations. Very few people will look at things objectively. It's either "Meyer is the GOAT" or "Youre a Meyer hater." It's either "Muschamp sucks," or "you're just a Muschamp defender."
So silly.
He was very up and down. In 6 years he had three 13-1 seasons sandwiched around average seasons.
It seems rather apparent that after the 2008 class signed, the attention to detail in player development and actual recruiting nose dived. The 2010 class is a good example. Loads of talent, loads of head cases and egos that felt entitled and didn't respect anyone.
So yes, the early years of Muschamp were heavily influenced by those factors. It certainly didn't help that we hired an inexperienced head coach, but we also tried to completely refocus the offensive strategy to an entirely different style of play AND try to run the cleanest program around.
This is what has always frustrated me about these conversations. Very few people will look at things objectively. It's either "Meyer is the GOAT" or "Youre a Meyer hater." It's either "Muschamp sucks," or "you're just a Muschamp defender."
So silly.
I also think SOME people (not all) need to realize is that Urban is home. He's from Ohio and started his coaching career at OSU. He has a Master's degree from OSU. His mentor - Earle Bruce - is still involved with OSU football. He always had an out in all of his contracts for the Buckeye job if it opened up - his dream job. He had pictures of Woody Hayes in his Florida office. You get the picture. So more than likely, even if he was still coaching at Florida at the time, when the Buckeye job opened up after the Tressel firing, he was still gone. It happens.
Urban Meyer won a freaking National Title while trying to "completely refocus offensive strategy as you put it". You just can't say it, Will Muschamp is the worst HC Florida has had in decades and decades.
And now the 2010 class was an ego problem? For goodness sake Danny you sound flat out stupid. The guy wanted to play clock killing offense and took TWO offensive lineman in each of his first TWO classes. That is FOUR in two years. He lost to Ga Southern and Vandy in the Swamp in THE SAME SEASON.
The mess handed to Mac is worse than the one left for Champ tenfold.
Did you read what I wrote?
You just proved my point.
And are you serious? Everyone knows that the 2010 class was full of head cases.
In every one of those average seasons, including his first-year when he inherited players that had woefully underperformed with Zook and were not suited to the style of play he wanted to establish, Meyer at least had us bowling and never once did he lose to a team at the level of GEORGIA SOUTHERN....let that sink in folks, Mus had us losing to Georgia Southern....still can't believe it
But heck, maybe you know what the midline is lol
Muschamp's only good season was with Meyer recruits, if he was able to win 11 games in 2012, how was it Urban's fault when he struggled in 2013-14? Blaming Urban is ridiculous, if Foley would have hired a competent coach after UM left, the Gators would be fine.
And I think as time passes it appears that Dan Quinn had a lot to do With it as well
Well if you are happy with how he did after he quit, you are entitled to that opinion. The great recruiting class proved a failure. He lost 4 SEC games that season as well. He didn't leave Florida with a "GOAT" label. That mierda started after he won the MNC last season.
That label most certainly was there the whole time, but there was a lot of bitterness of the way in which he left. The reason it was renewed and cemented after he won at OSU was for the very obvious reason of how he was simply won, and won big everywhere he coached. Hard to believe you are genuine in this and not just trolling...
I will easily Give Urban the cred for having three titles at two power programs. I still think he has to wear what he did to UF. Opinions on him vary. He's either a great coach and leader of men...or a very slick tongued carpet bagger. Probably a bit of both.
