And they say our fans cant' let it go

[46885]

http://espn.go.com/college-football...rnandez-percy-harvin-rise-fall-florida-gators


A day later, when Meyer told the team from the practice field that he had changed his mind and would remain at Florida, defensive tackle Lawrence Marsh, who describes Meyer as "the master of mind games," wondered whether the coach concocted the episode as a giant motivational ruse for the upcoming BCS bowl.

"He couldn't take the heat -- that's all that was," said David Young, a Florida offensive lineman from 2008 to '11. "He wanted to hand the job off to [offensive coordinator] Steve Addazio and get out of there."

 

[passoverGator]

The SEC has that affect on the weak.

 

[46885]

All of those stories sound hella familiar from the things we have discussed on this board for years. It seems they all might have been true

 

[oozie7]

A lot of the fighting stuff I talked about on here. As well as the fact that Tebow as not really the leader on the team people thought he was along with the fact that most of the players didn't care for him and how Meyer played favorites.

 

[R1950]

"The SEC has that affect on the weak".

I'm pretty sure that Saban and Alabama would disagree with you. Meyer and his Buckeyes sure didn't look weak against the SEC champ in last year's Sugar Bowl.

 

[Gator Fever]

I doubt they would have let Addazio take the team over but if he did he wouldn't have been allowed the 4 years that Muschamp used to destroy the program.

 

[46885]

"The SEC has that affect on the weak".

I'm pretty sure that Saban and Alabama would disagree with you. Meyer and his Buckeyes sure didn't look weak against the SEC champ in last year's Sugar Bowl.

Oh it's easy to look fresh for your only game of the season with 3 months to prep and be healthy

after that game they would have to go on and play about 5 more ranked teams in this conference, and they would have looked as average as they really are doing it... Bama choking doesn't make Osu any less average than they have been for all these years

 

[Martha81]

Wait till Ohio State has a couple 3 loss season's and he'll be headed to Notre Dame. Jim (Michigan) will prolly give em heart ache before long.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Oh it's easy to look fresh for your only game of the season with 3 months to prep and be healthy

after that game they would have to go on and play about 5 more ranked teams in this conference, and they would have looked as average as they really are doing it... Bama choking doesn't make Osu any less average than they have been for all these years

OSU beat 3 of the final top five teams last year and beat Wisconsin 59-0 before they went out to beat LSU in a bowl game. All with a third string QB. But yes, please keep your excuses rolling in. Why is it so hard to admit the dude can flat out coach. He has more national titles as a member of the SEC than your boy Chump had wins over UGa. He has won at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio St. Get over it.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I doubt they would have let Addazio take the team over but if he did he wouldn't have been allowed the 4 years that Muschamp used to destroy the program.

Addazio has proven to be a much better HC than Chump was

 

[Michi-Gator]

BTW, the author of this article has an ax to grind with Meyer because Meyer put him in his place.

 

[PacoGator19]

Meyer is probably the GOAT college football coach. He's most certainly in the top 3.

 

[MJWilliamson]

"The SEC has that affect on the weak".

I'm pretty sure that Saban and Alabama would disagree with you. Meyer and his Buckeyes sure didn't look weak against the SEC champ in last year's Sugar Bowl.

One game does not a trend make. Over time, OSU has not fared well against SEC teams

 

[sadgator]

Very sensationalized story about stuff that happens in every big time program locker room.

For those fans who want to criticize Meyer, please identify yourselves in this thread and specifically state that you renounce Florida's '06 and '08 titles. sadgator shall take note of your renouncement, and henceforth, you will no longer be able to cite to them when arguing points about Florida's success on any rivals board.

 

[46885]

OSU beat 3 of the final top five teams last year and beat Wisconsin 59-0 before they went out to beat LSU in a bowl game. All with a third string QB. But yes, please keep your excuses rolling in. Why is it so hard to admit the dude can flat out coach. He has more national titles as a member of the SEC than your boy Chump had wins over UGa. He has won at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio St. Get over it.

lol you just turned that into a comparison between Meyer and Muschamp as if that has anything to do with anything. The agenda is and continues to be one sided

 

[46885]

What is still absolutely laughable if you wanna talk about not admitting things is just how badly Meyer set back our program from being at Bama status long term the way he has. People are still defending someone that buried our program more long term than he made it successful

 

[GatorNation79]

Meyer is probably the GOAT college football coach. He's most certainly in the top 3.

He is certainly in the argument...he has a real attention to detail and with time to game plan he can win against anyone. Hell I love that fact that he came to Florida and one 2 titles...honestly I wish that he had never left but he did..we've sucked since then but whatever...it was totally worth it. I was a great ride while he was in Gainesville.

 

[46885]

He is certainly in the argument...he has a real attention to detail and with time to game plan he can win against anyone. Hell I love that fact that he came to Florida and one 2 titles...honestly I wish that he had never left but he did..we've sucked since then but whatever...it was totally worth it. I was a great ride while he was in Gainesville.

How do people not realize that his doing has a lot more to do with us being set back and bad than just him leaving?

 

[sadgator]

What is still absolutely laughable if you wanna talk about not admitting things is just how badly Meyer set back our program from being at Bama status long term the way he has. People are still defending someone that buried our program more long term than he made it successful

Because of course Nick Saban doesn't play favorites and has no prima donnas in the locker room.

 

[93nole99]

Meyer's successes make what he did to UF even worse. We've all seen what he can do when he's motivated and on the job. Had he wanted to, he could have built a big long lasting successful program at UF. Fact is he gave up on the job after Foley begged him to stay. He didn't recruit after the bowl...skipped out on the booster tour, and let things tumble. Basically mailed it in from there on out.

 

[sadgator]

We should only be so lucky to have that kind of energy, passion, and competitiveness in our locker room again.

 

[PacoGator19]

Again he's one of the GOAT college football coaches. He hasn't coached a game at UF in over 4 years. Time to stop blaming him for stuff that has nothing to do with our current roster. Muschamp is the reason why we are at where we are at. Muschamp had 4 years and things are worse now than when he got the job, mainly due to roster mismanagement, poor recruiting on the offensive side of the ball and a terrible offensive philosophy.

 

[93nole99]

Again he's one of the GOAT college football coaches. He hasn't coached a game at UF in over 4 years. Time to stop blaming him for stuff that has nothing to do with our current roster. Muschamp is the reason why we are at where we are at. Muschamp had 4 years and things are worse now than when he got the job, mainly due to roster mismanagement, poor recruiting on the offensive side of the ball and a terrible offensive philosophy.

How would you grade Meyer during his last year at UF? "GOAT"?

 

[GatorTheo]

Very sensationalized story about stuff that happens in every big time program locker room.

For those fans who want to criticize Meyer, please identify yourselves in this thread and specifically state that you renounce Florida's '06 and '08 titles. sadgator shall take note of your renouncement, and henceforth, you will no longer be able to cite to them when arguing points about Florida's success on any rivals board.

I think Meyer was a mixed bag. He was a very effective coach for a period of time and guided us to great heights. On the other hand, he stepped on a lot of Gator toes and, once his personal problems arose, he let the team founder. Who knows what would have transpired had he not needed to 'spend more time with his family'.

 

[passoverGator]

One game does not a trend make. Over time, OSU has not fared well against SEC teams

Yeah, don't you just love cherry-picked stats.

 

[Michi-Gator]

What is still absolutely laughable if you wanna talk about not admitting things is just how badly Meyer set back our program from being at Bama status long term the way he has. People are still defending someone that buried our program more long term than he made it successful

For a guy who coaches at the top level you miss so much. Meyer set us back? Did he step down so late Ron Zook was our best choice only to return to an SEC East rival? Did he leave a bare roster with 5 scholarship OLmen? Oh no, he left a boatload of NFL talent. We saw a program buried over the last 4 years.

I have seen you defend two guys over the last 4 years, Chump and his SC guy Dilman, who both turned out to be some of the worst to step on campus, ever.

I'll take Meyer, his titles, his record winning % and you can have Muschamp and all his awesomeness.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Yeah, don't you just love cherry-picked stats.

But the conversation is Meyer, whose OSU has done just fine against Bama.

 

[Michi-Gator]

How would you grade Meyer during his last year at UF? "GOAT"?

So who would you consider among the GOAT who never had an average 8-5 or 9-4 season coming of three 13-1 seasons and two national titles in four years?

I get it, no Gator coach has ever made FSU so irrelevant, hence yoir concern.

 

[txngtr]

When motivated, Coach Meyer is among the best ever. For perspective, when was the last time Bowling Green or Utah were relevant? For that matter, OSU was not truly relevant since 2001. They were in championship games solely based on conference association and subsequently drilled when faced with competition. I still take SOS as best ever based on his use of passion as motivation. In my lifetime, we have never been led by a coach that held rivals with the same disgust as I do.

 

[oozie7]

Meyer's successes make what he did to UF even worse. We've all seen what he can do when he's motivated and on the job. Had he wanted to, he could have built a big long lasting successful program at UF. Fact is he gave up on the job after Foley begged him to stay. He didn't recruit after the bowl...skipped out on the booster tour, and let things tumble. Basically mailed it in from there on out.

Sounds like Foley's fault then doesn't it? The man tried to quit, Foley and the coaches begged him to stay for their own self-serving reasons, and he stayed and basically mailed in the 10' season. That's kinda like begging your fiance to stay with you after she gave back the ring and told you she didn't want to marry you, she does, then you get upset or surprised when she's banging the neighbor.

And btw, had he left the 10' class, the one loaded with NFL prospects and the only reason we' had even one decent season here the past 5 years, would have crumbled. No Elam, No Floyd, No Easley, and on and on. Anybody blaming him for the problems we've had the last 4 years is ridiculous. We've had a top 10 recruiting class every single one of those years. We've had guys come here, ride the bench, and go elsewhere and be successful, all of which could have helped us win. The blame lies with Foley 100%. One for basically begging a man whose heart wasn't in it anymore to stay and then hiring that clown of a coach in Muschamp. Did Meyer leave some problems? Absolutely. But none of it would have mattered if Foley hired a coach worth a damn.

 

[46885]

For a guy who coaches at the top level you miss so much. Meyer set us back? Did he step down so late Ron Zook was our best choice only to return to an SEC East rival? Did he leave a bare roster with 5 scholarship OLmen? Oh no, he left a boatload of NFL talent. We saw a program buried over the last 4 years.

I have seen you defend two guys over the last 4 years, Chump and his SC guy Dilman, who both turned out to be some of the worst to step on campus, ever.

I'll take Meyer, his titles, his record winning % and you can have Muschamp and all his awesomeness.

Oh, you mean you saw some people supporting the head coach? The same way ill do with Mcelwain, but his DC is gonna be on a short leash if he keeps showing that crap he has.

 

[93nole99]

Sounds like Foley's fault then doesn't it? The man tried to quit, Foley and the coaches begged him to stay for their own self-serving reasons, and he stayed and basically mailed in the 10' season. That's kinda like begging your fiance to stay with you after she gave back the ring and told you she didn't want to marry you, she does, then you get upset or surprised when she's banging the neighbor.

And btw, had he left the 10' class, the one loaded with NFL prospects and the only reason we' had even one decent season here the past 5 years, would have crumbled. No Elam, No Floyd, No Easley, and on and on. Anybody blaming him for the problems we've had the last 4 years is ridiculous. We've had a top 10 recruiting class every single one of those years. We've had guys come here, ride the bench, and go elsewhere and be successful, all of which could have helped us win. The blame lies with Foley 100%. One for basically begging a man whose heart wasn't in it anymore to stay and then hiring that clown of a coach in Muschamp. Did Meyer leave some problems? Absolutely. But none of it would have mattered if Foley hired a coach worth a damn.

Oozie...you are spot ON about the mistake in begging someone who quit to stay. Meyer either didn't want to coach at UF...or just didn't want to coach at all. Either way he didn't want the job he had.

 

[46885]

Sounds like Foley's fault then doesn't it? The man tried to quit, Foley and the coaches begged him to stay for their own self-serving reasons, and he stayed and basically mailed in the 10' season. That's kinda like begging your fiance to stay with you after she gave back the ring and told you she didn't want to marry you, she does, then you get upset or surprised when she's banging the neighbor.

And btw, had he left the 10' class, the one loaded with NFL prospects and the only reason we' had even one decent season here the past 5 years, would have crumbled. No Elam, No Floyd, No Easley, and on and on. Anybody blaming him for the problems we've had the last 4 years is ridiculous. We've had a top 10 recruiting class every single one of those years. We've had guys come here, ride the bench, and go elsewhere and be successful, all of which could have helped us win. The blame lies with Foley 100%. One for basically begging a man whose heart wasn't in it anymore to stay and then hiring that clown of a coach in Muschamp. Did Meyer leave some problems? Absolutely. But none of it would have mattered if Foley hired a coach worth a damn.

Then Meyer should have had some realistic accountability and left then. No matter how it's sliced, that last year HE was the head coach and it was a train wreck to watch from 1000 to 0 quick. The problem is people act like NOTHING that happened, or anything in these articles that are book length of serious inner program issues have anything to do with him or fall on him whatsoever. Im not letting someone off the hook if HE is the MAN in charge that easy.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Oh, you mean you saw some people supporting the head coach? The same way ill do with Mcelwain, but his DC is gonna be on a short leash if he keeps showing that crap he has.

Thats a cop out. You tried to play the "you just don't have the knowledge and experience to see what Chumps doing" card. I think most people saw damage he was doing for what it was. You often tried to act like people couldn't see some complicated awesomeness he didnt have. We didn't see the genius in running 180 lb, 4.3 backs up the middle over and over again. Lets face it, without Meyer's '10 class and Dan Quinn Chump would have surpassed the trainwreck status he already has. You also used injuries to defend the genius we didn't see and refused to hoLd ACL Tear Dilman even partially accountable.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Then Meyer should have had some realistic accountability and left then. No matter how it's sliced, that last year HE was the head coach and it was a train wreck to watch from 1000 to 0 quick. The problem is people act like NOTHING that happened, or anything in these articles that are book length of serious inner program issues have anything to do with him or fall on him whatsoever. Im not letting someone off the hook if HE is the MAN in charge that easy.

We just watched our AD allow a neanderthal to completely dismantlemthe UF brand to the point the athletes that once yearned for Florida run as far away as they can. But you want to blame it all on ONE season that actually included one of the best recruiting classes inthe last decade? Its biased hate, sorry

 

[passoverGator]

But the conversation is Meyer, whose OSU has done just fine against Bama.

And he couldn't handle the pressure of coaching in the SEC. I'm sure his heart is just fine with that Big10 schedule.

 

[oozie7]

Then Meyer should have had some realistic accountability and left then. No matter how it's sliced, that last year HE was the head coach and it was a train wreck to watch from 1000 to 0 quick. The problem is people act like NOTHING that happened, or anything in these articles that are book length of serious inner program issues have anything to do with him or fall on him whatsoever. Im not letting someone off the hook if HE is the MAN in charge that easy.

That's fine but it's still ultimately Foley who is responsible. Even the article mentions that many of the coaches begged him to stay for their own job security. So he had the AD and multiple coaches begging him to stay when he didn't want to and he folded and gave in. Everybody on here is grown enough to understand that you don't beg somebody to do something when their heart ain't in it, and our AD couldn't figure that out? Even with all that, we were hardly a trainwreck if you put 10' into perspective. We were one game out from winning the division and being back in the SEC Title Game. We still had a top 10 defense despite losing something like 9 starters from the year before. The only thing that held that team back was the offense, which sucked mainly due to Addazio.

But all that is still irrelevant in the big picture. In the last 4 years we're in the top 5 in the country in players drafted. Meyer left some issues here no doubt. But if we had a coach worth a damn we wouldn't have fallen as far as we did. So once again that goes back to Foley. Because of his decision with Meyer the program was basically stuck in neutral for a year, then he compounds the problem by going out and hiring a guy with no HC experience whatsoever. That in itself isn't a problem, sometimes you take a chance on a hotshot coordinator. But Foley himself has said he knew the program was broken and we had a lot of issues to fix. So your response to that is to go out and hire a guy who had never been a HC before? How stupid is that? This is all Foley's doing one way or another. Had he let Meyer leave like he wanted he would have attracted damn near any coach in the country coming off the run we had just had. And had he not hired the clown our last 4 years would have been better.

 

[GatorGray]

Sounds like Foley's fault then doesn't it? The man tried to quit, Foley and the coaches begged him to stay for their own self-serving reasons, and he stayed and basically mailed in the 10' season. That's kinda like begging your fiance to stay with you after she gave back the ring and told you she didn't want to marry you, she does, then you get upset or surprised when she's banging the neighbor.

And btw, had he left the 10' class, the one loaded with NFL prospects and the only reason we' had even one decent season here the past 5 years, would have crumbled. No Elam, No Floyd, No Easley, and on and on. Anybody blaming him for the problems we've had the last 4 years is ridiculous. We've had a top 10 recruiting class every single one of those years. We've had guys come here, ride the bench, and go elsewhere and be successful, all of which could have helped us win. The blame lies with Foley 100%. One for basically begging a man whose heart wasn't in it anymore to stay and then hiring that clown of a coach in Muschamp. Did Meyer leave some problems? Absolutely. But none of it would have mattered if Foley hired a coach worth a damn.

To me, this is just more not taking responsibility for oneself. Perhaps Foley shouldn't have begged him to stay, but we are talking about a coach who had won two NCs and just missed another by ONE game - can you blame him? Meyer is a grown man. If he agreed to stay, cashed the (rather handsome) checks, then he should give it his all...which he did not.

 

[oozie7]

To me, this is just more not taking responsibility for oneself. Perhaps Foley shouldn't have begged him to stay, but we are talking about a coach who had won two NCs and just missed another by ONE game - can you blame him? Meyer is a grown man. If he agreed to stay, cashed the (rather handsome) checks, then he should give it his all...which he did not.

Ordinarily I'd agree but it seems as if Foley and the other coaches knew he wouldn't be giving his all so to speak anyway. It's been well talked about, but the whole point in him coming back was supposedly to possibly groom the successor on staff (Addazio) while also allowing Foley to have more time to find a replacement if it didn't work out. Those were the rumors anyway. And if that's true it still ultimately falls back on Foley for allowing a 'plan' like that to happen.

 

[SwampMaster]

The last 4 years are all on Muschamp. We were bad because of a putrid offense and dismal QB play. We had no identity on offense and that's all on Muschamp because he knew defense and that's about all. We may not have been a top 10 team, but we certainly had more talent than what was showcased.