All you small government types cool with the FBI...
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Does anybody know if the Man in the High Castle has movies for an alternate universe where the Dems and Pubs didn’t phuck up the US after WWII? Asking for a friend
I think the government is, and has been, an across the board, corrupt, incompetent clusterfck, more or less since the run up and response to the 2008 crash, and even I am shocked that this would be proposed, much less passed (with Democrat votes and Sen. Sanders not even bothering to vote). Unequivocally what they are telling us is that they’re going to continue to print money and dump it on the wealthy and let everyone else scramble for the scraps, and if anyone speaks up about it, they are going to be discredited and/or prosecuted with the most embarrassing/damning aspects of their internet histories.
What a convoluted vote brought about somewhat by attendance.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/13/21257481/wyden-freedom-patriot-act-amendment-mcconnell
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/13/21257481/wyden-freedom-patriot-act-amendment-mcconnell
Vox article was poorly written. FISA issues warrants. Maybe the actual problem lies with FISA itself. Article says it allows them to KEEP doing this...not new...not a fan of FISA especially seeing how the FBI abused it....but setting ones hair on fire is a bit over the top since this has been going on for more than a decade.
Here it is. Bill still has to pass (full vote Monday) but Senate has the votes. Bipartisan amendment that would have blocked the FBI surveillance lost today 59-37.
Excuse me, 60 votes would have passed the amendment that would have removed the warrant less surveillance from the bill. 1 vote short so the surveillance stays in.
From the article:
The McConnell amendment would let Department of Justice officials — overseen by Attorney General Bill Barr — look through anyone's browsing history without the approval of a judge if they deem the browsing history relevant to an investigation. It blocks the FBI from accessing the "content" of people's web-browsing history but would let the FBI access records detailing which sites and search terms people entered.
The McConnell amendment would let Department of Justice officials — overseen by Attorney General Bill Barr — look through anyone's browsing history without the approval of a judge if they deem the browsing history relevant to an investigation. It blocks the FBI from accessing the "content" of people's web-browsing history but would let the FBI access records detailing which sites and search terms people entered.
So you don’t like abuses of the process that have already occurred, that are at least subject to court review, but you’re ok with the surveillance powers being massively expanded and extended to the FBI and law enforcement without any requirement for probable cause? That makes a lot of sense.
IOW they can't spy on specific people's activity but can access the aggregate of everyone.
Which is already available via numerous keyword search tools.
Wake me up when republicans start unmasking US citizens then leaking their names to the press. You know, like you dems are about to get busted for doing.
Keep watching....
Nope. They can surveil individual search and browser histories so long as it is “in support of an active investigation.” But I understand why you can’t own up to what your party is doing.
"It blocks the FBI from accessing the "content" of people's web-browsing history but would let the FBI access records detailing which sites and search terms people entered."
Just going on what you quoted. It sounds like it's talking about the aggregate, not that they can pull up an INDIVIDUAL'S search history without permission. Because that's not what it said.
Sounds like the media is trying to run interference since the dems are about to be outted illegally unmasking and leaking Flynn's name to the press. So I guess they are trying to spin that 'republicans spy too'.
But good to know that PROPOSED legal spying upsets you, we may get a chance to see if ILLEGAL spying (by dems) upsets you as well.
I'm guessing you already have your spin ready.
I don’t even know what you’re taking about. The bill allows law enforcement to surveil individuals’ internet search terms and browser history. What are you even saying? That they can review search terms and browser histories of the public in aggregate? Without identities attached? How would that be helpful in any investigation?
OK, so let’s get you on the record. You agree that if the bill authorizes surveillance of individual search and browser histories, without warrant, that’s antithetical to a limited government, correct?
I'm saying I'm not relying on a Vox article or even more laughably your interpretation of what a Vox article is saying.
I'm against the DOJ being able to track my search history without my permission. But also smart enough to know the NSA has been tracking all of our communications for a LONG time.
How do you think they are about to bring down the obama White House?
Oh look, this clown backtracking as usual.
party over principles. Here’s your $.02.
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