A purdue QB just transferred in?

[PacoGator19]

Trask, Antonio Nelson, Jeawon Taylor, Forsythe, McWilliams, Lenton, and Aaron Robinson for starters. And of course this Appleby character. None of these make the slightest bit of sense to me.

Aaron Robinson is really good. Bama wants him and offered him and so has Tennessee. The issue with Robinson isn't his playing ability its his grades. I would agree with the rest. Antonio Nelson was 2nd team All-State so he can't be that bad. I don't think McWilliams will be in this class and

 

[miksta]

Which makes the move even more useless. He's already proven to not be very good. So lets say there's a miracle and the coaches are able to turn him into a stud, he's gone in year. Wouldn't that time be better served developing guys who actually have a future with the team? If he doesn't start he's stealing a scholarship and reps that could be better served elsewhere.

Fair but I think it's arguable that he's not very good based simply on his time at Purdue - he didn't have a ton of help/talent around him and the coaching staff there doesn't inspire much confidence in their decision-making (i.e. benching him after Marshall).

I think Mac saw how the lack of QB depth this year really tied his hands and he's determined to make sure next year is a stop-gap until we can get to the Franks/Allen years (fingers crossed). The more competition the better and, even if Appleby is just Del Rio's backup all year, he's likely a better option than Harris (*gulp*), Trask (who I completely agree is a ridiculous stretch), or burning Franks's redshirt.

Further, if he ends up being a viable option and contributes to us being successful next year, that 2nd year of success (after a 10-win Sec East championship season) helps raise the visibility of the program and hopefully inspires some kids to sign on in the next class who would've been on the fence otherwise.

Just my take. I think he's totally worth providing the opportunity for a year. The more options at QB next year, the better.

 

[oozie7]

Fair but I think it's arguable that he's not very good based simply on his time at Purdue - he didn't have a ton of help/talent around him and the coaching staff there doesn't inspire much confidence in their decision-making (i.e. benching him after Marshall).

I think Mac saw how the lack of QB depth this year really tied his hands and he's determined to make sure next year is a stop-gap until we can get to the Franks/Allen years (fingers crossed). The more competition the better and, even if Appleby is just Del Rio's backup all year, he's likely a better option than Harris (*gulp*), Trask (who I completely agree is a ridiculous stretch), or burning Franks's redshirt.

Further, if he ends up being a viable option and contributes to us being successful next year, that 2nd year of success (after a 10-win Sec East championship season) helps raise the visibility of the program and hopefully inspires some kids to sign on in the next class who would've been on the fence otherwise.

Just my take. I think he's totally worth providing the opportunity for a year. The more options at QB next year, the better.

I hope you're right my man. I just wanna win. Like any of the other players I'll root for him until I have a reason not to but ATM I wish we'd use the scholarship to bring in a 4-year player. But we shall see soon enough.

 

[oozie7]

Aaron Robinson is really good. Bama wants him and offered him and so has Tennessee. The issue with Robinson isn't his playing ability its his grades. I would agree with the rest. Antonio Nelson was 2nd team All-State so he can't be that bad. I don't think McWilliams will be in this class and

Yea I've been reading some big guys are coming after Robinson now. Apparently he had a big senior year. I had only seen his junior year stuff and he looked real stiff in that one.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

The reason you won't see any coaches these days unless they've established themselves take a young player and build for the future is the fanbase demands that they win NOW.

Muschamp went 11-2 his second year. He was the toast of Gainesville. I frequently saw him at Roundabout where he couldn't even buy one single drink (Jim Beam on the rocks and no, I never asked him how drinks that swill) because people were so thrilled with the season.

People wanted him gone before the next season was even complete.

So Mac went 10-3 this season. So what? It won't mean a damn thing if the team loses 8 games next season. His seat will be on fire.

Thus, he has to try to win NOW. He can't afford to use an entire season to develop a young quarterback. He has to win now or he'll be out of a job.

 

[Dannygator1989]

Space is right.

Bama this year is an interesting example.

Do you start the transfer who only has a year left or go with the freshman? It took a few games but Comer proved to be the better option.

Do you think they're in Phoenix right now if Saban would have went with the young guy just so he could be ready for the next few years?

If anybody can afford to have a year to break in a freshman and take a couple losses, it's Saban. Yet he chose to win now.

 

[oozie7]

To be fair though, Bama did try to run with the freshman, then he took a dump all over himself against Ole Miss and got benched. And Coker was at least unproven so you held out some hope that with his talent he could be good. There ain't any doubt about whether this Appleby dude is good or not, he isn't. And there's no upside because if he somehow shows something different than he's shown so far you're not gonna have him past this year.

 

[PacoGator19]

Appleby is for depth purposes. I don't think the staff feels comfortable with just Del Rio and 2 true freshmen (Franks and Trask) as the backups. I don't blame them. The idea is to hopefully be able to redshirt both Franks and Trask. We need some bodies at QB.

 

[MJWilliamson]

The reason you won't see any coaches these days unless they've established themselves take a young player and build for the future is the fanbase demands that they win NOW.

Muschamp went 11-2 his second year. He was the toast of Gainesville. I frequently saw him at Roundabout where he couldn't even buy one single drink (Jim Beam on the rocks and no, I never asked him how drinks that swill) because people were so thrilled with the season.

People wanted him gone before the next season was even complete.

So Mac went 10-3 this season. So what? It won't mean a damn thing if the team loses 8 games next season. His seat will be on fire.

Thus, he has to try to win NOW. He can't afford to use an entire season to develop a young quarterback. He has to win now or he'll be out of a job.

I think this is a bit too binary.

Winning NOW does not mean he has to win 10 games. He would certainly do well to win more than 4 games, but if he won 7 ir 8 games, most people would understand.

Plus, he can't act like a moron when he loses.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

I think this is a bit too binary.

Winning NOW does not mean he has to win 10 games. He would certainly do well to win more than 4 games, but if he won 7 ir 8 games, most people would understand.

Plus, he can't act like a moron when he loses.

He won ten and played for the conference title. If he wins only 7 or 8 next year then a lot of people are going to be pissed.

 

[GatorNation79]

Trask, Antonio Nelson, Jeawon Taylor, Forsythe, McWilliams, Lenton, and Aaron Robinson for starters. And of course this Appleby character. None of these make the slightest bit of sense to me.

There isn't going to be any 1 trick fix...when you have to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t...then you make these types of moves. I think that our coach is working things from every angle possible...there is no quick and for sure option.

IMO Mac should have told Grier that he had the job...Grier is a baller..and certainly I don't know everything that was going on but I think that you do and say what you need to keep the kid playing at UF...his play is on another level.

 

[TennesseeGator]

There isn't going to be any 1 trick fix...when you have to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t...then you make these types of moves. I think that our coach is working things from every angle possible...there is no quick and for sure option.

IMO Mac should have told Grier that he had the job...Grier is a baller..and certainly I don't know everything that was going on but I think that you do and say what you need to keep the kid playing at UF...his play is on another level.

"F" that. That "baller" is a selfish spoiled azz little punk. I'm glad his punkazz is gone. F Grier.

 

[MJWilliamson]

He won ten and played for the conference title. If he wins only 7 or 8 next year then a lot of people are going to be pissed.

Maybe. A lot depends on how the team plays.

We will be breaking in a new QB. If we are not doing that, then we are in deep trouble. The defense could take a step back. Recruiting is going well overall.

Florida fans are certainly demanding. But not totally unreasonable.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

Maybe. A lot depends on how the team plays.

We will be breaking in a new QB. If we are not doing that, then we are in deep trouble. The defense could take a step back. Recruiting is going well overall.

Florida fans are certainly demanding. But not totally unreasonable.

Muschamp was down how many starters in his third year to season ending injuries? I can't remember the number but it was significant. Did that stop people--including a lot of the know-it-alls on this board--calling for him to be fired before the year was even finished?

No.

People won't care why Florida doesn't win 11 games next year and have a top 50 offense along with a top twenty defense. They'll point to last year. They'll point to this years recruiting class rank--currently at sixth--they'll yell and scream about how our players are the BESTEST IN THE UNIVERSE FOREVER AD NAUSEA TO INFINITY and blame the coaches for not winning enough.

 

[GatorGray]

People won't care why Florida doesn't win 11 games next year and have a top 50 offense along with a top twenty defense. They'll point to last year. They'll point to this years recruiting class rank--currently at sixth--they'll yell and scream about how our players are the BESTEST IN THE UNIVERSE FOREVER AD NAUSEA TO INFINITY and blame the coaches for not winning enough.

Some on the board have already started. Just read the end of the bowl-game thread (and several threads thereafter).

 

[invisiblegator]

Muschamp was down how many starters in his third year to season ending injuries? I can't remember the number but it was significant. Did that stop people--including a lot of the know-it-alls on this board--calling for him to be fired before the year was even finished

We lost to Georgia Southern that year. We should have had no trouble with them, they had more depth issues than we did that year. It was obvious at that point that it was more than injuries.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

We lost to Georgia Southern that year. We should have had no trouble with them, they had more depth issues than we did that year. It was obvious at that point that it was more than injuries.

People were screaming for his head BEFORE that game.

I freaking hate revisionism more than almost anything else. Only cowards resort to it.

 

[GatorNation79]

"F" that. That "baller" is a selfish spoiled azz little punk. I'm glad his punkazz is gone. F Grier.

Everyone is so quick to claim the next guy to be the greatest whatever...maybe...Grier is the best QB talent we've had since Grossman...fact! Sour grapes bro.

 

[Countygator]

People were screaming for his head BEFORE that game.

I freaking hate revisionism more than almost anything else. Only cowards resort to it.

I agree with this. Count me as one that did not like the hire from day 1. However, now that I am 5 years older I realize not to be so negative so quickly with coaches. I was not thrilled with the hiring of Mac, but the older, more mellow me, is going to give him more leverage. Not that it really matters, I have no say in anything....including my own house.

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

Everyone is so quick to claim the next guy to be the greatest whatever...maybe...Grier is the best QB talent we've had since Grossman...fact! Sour grapes bro.

lol we did have this one guy since then...Tebow or something...can't remember.

 

[PacoGator19]

We go 8-4 next year. Muschamp was given a free pass by Foley for the 2013 season. Mischamp got fired mainly for the 2014 debacle. The embarrassing homecoming loss to Missouri got the wheels in motion and the epic collapse against South Carolina finished the job.

 

[oozie7]

Both Zook and Muschamp were first time head coaches while Mac came here with three years of experience. So if you look at it that way his leash should be shorter. Especially if his side of the ball keeps failing. He inherited a mess now fix it, I ain't got no time for any of the excuses. Especially when teams all over the country are finding a way to light up the scoreboard with less talent than us. If by the end of next year the offense hasn't improved and we don't look good heading into year 3 with some momentum then he ain't the guy.

 

[GatorGray]

Both Zook and Muschamp were first time head coaches while Mac came here with three years of experience. So if you look at it that way his leash should be shorter. Especially if his side of the ball keeps failing. He inherited a mess now fix it, I ain't got no time for any of the excuses. Especially when teams all over the country are finding a way to light up the scoreboard with less talent than us. If by the end of next year the offense hasn't improved and we don't look good heading into year 3 with some momentum then he ain't the guy.

Good Lord, now we are down to giving coaches TWO years.

 

[oozie7]

Good Lord, now we are down to giving coaches TWO years.

No. I said the offense should be improved by the end of next season with momentum going into year 3. How is that giving him two years? That's three at a minimum. Asking for momentum is too much now? The trend has changed. I will attempt to link the article but every coach but Mack Brown who won a title in the last 15 or so years won it within their first four years at their school. It doesn't take long to turn a program around much less just show SOME improvement and momentum. If it does take long then that coach isn't the guy. Three years is more than reasonable to show some improvement.

 

[GatorGray]

Actually, you said:

If by the end of next year the offense hasn't improved and we don't look good heading into year 3 with some momentum then he ain't the guy.

Meaning, if that scenario plays out, you will have made up your mind.

 

[oozie7]

Here it is

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2...gineering-a-champion-ohio-state-tcu-ucla/Here it is:

 

[oozie7]

Actually, you said:


Meaning, if that scenario plays out, you will have made up your mind.

Yes why wouldn't I have? I'm not asking for a title, to play in a BCS bowl game, or recreate the old Fun N' Gun. I'm just asking for improvement by the end of year 2. It doesn't take good coaches two years to show improvement, much less championship coaches. So yes if we don't show SOME improvement after two years I'd feel comfortable in believing that he's not the guy to lead us to a championship. Doesn't mean I'll be calling for his head though which is what I thought you were implying with your comment. No worries, just miscommunication.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Muschamp was down how many starters in his third year to season ending injuries? I can't remember the number but it was significant. Did that stop people--including a lot of the know-it-alls on this board--calling for him to be fired before the year was even finished?

Going 4-8 and losing to Ga Southern was inexcusable. That is not the same thing as winning 7 or 8 games

 

[Michi-Gator]

Appleby is for depth purposes. I don't think the staff feels comfortable with just Del Rio and 2 true freshmen (Franks and Trask) as the backups. I don't blame them. The idea is to hopefully be able to redshirt both Franks and Trask. We need some bodies at QB.

I feel so much better knowing we are going to start a guy who couldn't get on yhe fiwld for Oregon St

 

[PacoGator19]

I feel so much better knowing we are going to start a guy who couldn't get on yhe fiwld for Oregon St

Well how did you feel about Harris starting or how would you feel is Harris was our starting QB this year? Listen unfortunately this is where we are at in regards to the QB position. Muschamp and his staff did about as poor of a job as you could do with this position, which just so happens to be the most important position on the field. It appears McElwain is doing what he can to improve the position. It's also probably the hardest position for a true freshmen to make an impact at.

 

[g8rhoo]

Well, we could have lost to a 3-9 team.

I think the point of the question was to ask how much worse could our offense had gotten behind Grady than behind Treon, which is a legitimate sentiment

 

[oozie7]

I think the point of the question was to ask how much worse could our offense had gotten behind Grady than behind Treon, which is a legitimate sentiment

Grady was not a legitimate option. The guy was so bad he got moved to receiver at Vandy, and they had one of the worst offenses in the country. And he was 3rd or 4th string there.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

We go 8-4 next year. Muschamp was given a free pass by Foley for the 2013 season. Mischamp got fired mainly for the 2014 debacle. The embarrassing homecoming loss to Missouri got the wheels in motion and the epic collapse against South Carolina finished the job.

No. You know that too. I posted last year in the Alley that Machen was going to make an announcement that Muschamp was going to get a fourth year. I got blasted by the assholes who claimed it wouldn't happen. Then lo and behold, it happened. I know you read the thread so don't pretend like you don't know.

Muschamp got the fourth year because Machen was so pleased with how Muschamp ran the team. Machen would have kept him for this season if he could have for the same reason. Florida had the highest graduation rate EVER in the history of the football program under Muschamp. Machen also like the fact that the football team didn't stay on the front page for arrests.

Then who was the very first person to speak at the press conference announcing Muschamp's termination?

Machen.

You're such a crybaby Paco. Are you ever going to make up your own mind or are you too damn dumb to formulate your own opinions?

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

Going 4-8 and losing to Ga Southern was inexcusable. That is not the same thing as winning 7 or 8 games

The massive revisionism and stupidity about why Muschamp failed has led massive revisionism and stupidity about why McElwain has (so far) succeeded.

That is why 7 or 8 games ain't gonna cut it.

You can't have it both ways.

You can't talk about Mac being the savior from the "debacle" of Muschamp and then make excuses for him as he were Muschamp (again according to your dynamic).

That's the problem with telling a lie about what you don't want to face. You have to keep spinning the lie which leads farther and father away from the truth.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I am not truly a huge fan of either and still don't understand why the highly touted Foley cannot understand that Saban and his assistants benefit from the way Bama operates. Even MeatChicken agreed to drastically change the way it "does business" to get Harbaugh to come aboard. That os why suddenly Michigan is telling early committs to hit the road when the high star guys come aboard. Harbaugh has also almost stopped recruiting Michigan and Ohio.

As for Mac, the lack of any emotion or gameplanning in the Citrus Bowl was concerning. And it was Mac himself who did not bring even a project QB last year. Mac does however seem to underatand roster management much better than Chimp ever did. Mac can also see talent beyond the tape measure which Muskrat couldn't do. That said our QBs are very much tape measure guys.

I thought Mac did well this year and beating UGA certainly helped perspective on his season. But I do have concern that those in the "know" seem anything but sold on him.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

I am not truly a huge fan of either and still don't understand why the highly touted Foley cannot understand that Saban and his assistants benefit from the way Bama operates. Even MeatChicken agreed to drastically change the way it "does business" to get Harbaugh to come aboard. That os why suddenly Michigan is telling early committs to hit the road when the high star guys come aboard. Harbaugh has also almost stopped recruiting Michigan and Ohio.

As for Mac, the lack of any emotion or gameplanning in the Citrus Bowl was concerning. And it was Mac himself who did not bring even a project QB last year. Mac does however seem to underatand roster management much better than Chimp ever did. Mac can also see talent beyond the tape measure which Muskrat couldn't do. That said our QBs are very much tape measure guys.

I thought Mac did well this year and beating UGA certainly helped perspective on his season. But I do have concern that those in the "know" seem anything but sold on him.

I don't know what to think. I have my concerns, but as you might expect they're not all about on the field issues.

 

[PacoGator19]

I am not truly a huge fan of either and still don't understand why the highly touted Foley cannot understand that Saban and his assistants benefit from the way Bama operates. Even MeatChicken agreed to drastically change the way it "does business" to get Harbaugh to come aboard. That os why suddenly Michigan is telling early committs to hit the road when the high star guys come aboard. Harbaugh has also almost stopped recruiting Michigan and Ohio.

As for Mac, the lack of any emotion or gameplanning in the Citrus Bowl was concerning. And it was Mac himself who did not bring even a project QB last year. Mac does however seem to underatand roster management much better than Chimp ever did. Mac can also see talent beyond the tape measure which Muskrat couldn't do. That said our QBs are very much tape measure guys.

I thought Mac did well this year and beating UGA certainly helped perspective on his season. But I do have concern that those in the "know" seem anything but sold on him.

Mac did bring on a project QB last year. Luke Del Rio. We probably weren't going to get much better than that based on when McElwain got the job. Secondly he probably thought he would have Will Grier for the entire year as well and not lose him due to a failed "drug test". We certainly haven't done a good job recruiting the QB position but we haven't had much luck either.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Mac did bring on a project QB last year. Luke Del Rio. We probably weren't going to get much better than that based on when McElwain got the job. Secondly he probably thought he would have Will Grier for the entire year as well and not lose him due to a failed "drug test". We certainly haven't done a good job recruiting the QB position but we haven't had much luck either.

Yes, this is true. I think Mac pursued the wrong guys this year so if no luck comes of this I won't be surprised. Texas, Tennessee and Maryland landed much better prospects than us imo

 

[MJWilliamson]

The massive revisionism and stupidity about why Muschamp failed has led massive revisionism and stupidity about why McElwain has (so far) succeeded.

That is why 7 or 8 games ain't gonna cut it.

You can't have it both ways.

Your reasoning is way too binary. A tendency you often accuse others

You can't talk about Mac being the savior from the "debacle" of Muschamp and then make excuses for him as he were Muschamp (again according to your dynamic).

That's the problem with telling a lie about what you don't want to face. You have to keep spinning the lie which leads farther and father away from the truth.

My goodness. Bless your little heart.

Learn to read what I wrote.

 

[GatorNation79]

Well how did you feel about Harris starting or how would you feel is Harris was our starting QB this year? Listen unfortunately this is where we are at in regards to the QB position. Muschamp and his staff did about as poor of a job as you could do with this position, which just so happens to be the most important position on the field. It appears McElwain is doing what he can to improve the position. It's also probably the hardest position for a true freshmen to make an impact at.

I agree with this...and I think that we will see some improvement by the end of next year...our offense was much improved this season but we were limited with the playbook after Grier was benched. I think that we have the right coach...Mac is getting things done...at almost every front he has done a great job.