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A Fundamental Crossroads

gator1776

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First off I’ll start again by pointing out that I am a conservative leaning independent. Very much a libertarian at heart.

My greatest hope is that the Republicans will win either the majority in the Senate or the presidency.

For the first time in a long time one parties goal is to fundamentally change our government and our nation forever. If the Democrats gain control of The executive and legislative branches of the government they’ve already set into place a justification to do away with long-standing rules that will allow them to bring two new states into the union that lean heavily liberal which will allow them to have four more senators. They will also effectively destroy the judicial branch and it’s all important checks and balance over these things.

Historically the worst thing that could ever happen to a government is to have it be run by one party. This is true whether it be Republican or Democrat although of late Republicans have far more respect for what our country is and has been then do democrats.

If this occurs, if Democrats gain control of government this time, they will set in motion a chain of events that will effectively destroy America as we know it. I love this country I love what it has afforded me to do. I would hate to see what a small Minority of people are attempting to do with the help of millions of unwitting ill-informed almost cult like following. These people have played the long game brilliantly and we are on the precipice of a cliff that there may be no return from.

Everything George Orwell predicted is on the verge of coming true. I’m not one born to hyperbole but this very well may be the most important election in the history of our country. I am not a huge Donald Trump fan but at least he’s true to the ideals upon which our nation was founded in upon which our nation has become the greatest country in the world.

Biden is a puppet, this is the greatest grab for power since FDR and I’m frightened. If we can win this election in either the Senate or the presidency we can preserve this nation long enough for the reeducation to begin to re-develop free minded free thinkers. If not there’s a good chance that the America I grew up in will be lost.
 
And before anybody goes there, I would sound the same alarm if it was the republican party on the precipice of destroying our nation. A minimum of a two party system is required for a republic to endure. A true republic. It’s no secret that when power is split between the two parties America does better than when either party has complete control.
 
I agree. This election isn't like our ma and pop's elections of the past. It isn't typical republican vs democrat. It has gone way past that. This is a serious situation that must be defeated. Trump has uncovered the monster living under our beds. If left alone that monster will destroy all of us.
 
Yeah, where have I heard this before. Every time a Dem is about be elected.

Yet we have a President who won’t accept the election results, a senate Leader who won’t bring a Democratic SC nominee to a vote but rushes a Pub one, and who refuses to bring any Dem bills up for a vote, a President that asks foreign leaders to help win an election, hires his kids for key jobs, consistently lies to the public, explodes the deficit and encourages violence against his opponents.

These things run in cycles. We survived a Pub shit show. We’ll be fine with a Dem one.
 
And before anybody goes there, I would sound the same alarm if it was the republican party on the precipice of destroying our nation. A minimum of a two party system is required for a republic to endure. A true republic. It’s no secret that when power is split between the two parties America does better than when either party has complete control.
Tell that to Mitch McConnell and Trump. They care only about Pubs.
 
Yeah, where have I heard this before. Every time a Dem is about be elected.

Yet we have a President who won’t accept the election results, a senate Leader who won’t bring a Democratic SC nominee to a vote but rushes a Pub one, and who refuses to bring any Dem bills up for a vote, a President that asks foreign leaders to help win an election, hires his kids for key jobs, consistently lies to the public, explodes the deficit and encourages violence against his opponents.

These things run in cycles. We survived a Pub shit show. We’ll be fine with a Dem one.
You're seeing the tip of the iceberg. You're seeing exactly what they want you to see. Go back to your mom's basement please.
 
You're seeing the tip of the iceberg. You're seeing exactly what they want you to see. Go back to your mom's basement please.

My mom doesn't have a basement. So what now?

Carry on with your The End is Near rant.
 
I agree. This election isn't like our ma and pop's elections of the past. It isn't typical republican vs democrat. It has gone way past that. This is a serious situation that must be defeated. Trump has uncovered the monster living under our beds. If left alone that monster will destroy all of us.

The difference is, Trump has told us the monster is real AND he's got a flashlight in the closet to show us where it is and what it looks like.

In normal political times, the dems and pubs would swap the White House back and forth, everyone stays in office, and both parties continue to leech money off the American people. They are effectively a virus that weakens the host (the American people), but doesn't kill it. The biggest lie they ever told the American people was convincing us that we have a two-party system. There is only one Deep State.

Trump is outside the Deep State. He knows what they have done, and he's going to send them to jail. They know this, that's why they are trying to take the country down with them.

When we elected Trump, we took the Red Pill. We wanted to see what the country was really like, the corruption and evil, and we wanted to see PEOPLE PAY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

In the end, we will have our country back. Everyone will be able to share in the glory and prosperity. Even the moronic sheep that are currently praising and defending the criminals that keep them under foot.
 
Yeah, where have I heard this before. Every time a Dem is about be elected.

Yet we have a President who won’t accept the election results, a senate Leader who won’t bring a Democratic SC nominee to a vote but rushes a Pub one, and who refuses to bring any Dem bills up for a vote, a President that asks foreign leaders to help win an election, hires his kids for key jobs, consistently lies to the public, explodes the deficit and encourages violence against his opponents.

These things run in cycles. We survived a Pub shit show. We’ll be fine with a Dem one.
You’ve never heard it for me before. I know you don’t know me but I’m not prone to hyperbole or rhetoric. When in the recent history of our nation has a party threatened to add four senators stack to court all at the same time. All in response to not being able to except the results of a prior election and the consequences. I have not seen anything like this in my lifetime and I’ve only heard of things like this a few times in our history. The last time being FDR who try to stack the court and the Congress, both parties, blocked him.

I realize you’re one of the lemming that has been indoctrinated but ask yourself this question, does the Democratic Party love America or hate America because I can’t tell anymore. And my dad was a lifelong democrat.
 
Tell that to Mitch McConnell and Trump. They care only about Pubs.
They’re not trying to fundamentally change the structure of our government. Please read a little bit please try to be objective he might learn something. Don’t just swallow talking points. I voted for Clinton twice I voted for Gore ones. I’m nobodies puppet are full, please don’t be the horse or the dog to their pigs
 
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They’re not trying to fundamentally change the structure of our government. Please read a little bit please try to be objective he might learn something. Don’t just swallow talking points. I voted for Clinton twice I voted for Gore ones. I’m nobodies puppet are full, please don’t be the horse or the dog to their pigs

You haven’t been paying attention.
 
Paying attention to what? Please explain

Everything happening. The far left is now in control of the Democratic party. Has been for a while. It’s not the same party that it was in the Clinton years. The far left isn’t trying to hide what they want to do. Maybe you have been in a coma since Clinton was President?

Hell, I got buddies who have voted democrat their entire lives who are concerned with where the donkeys (they are jack asses for a reason) want to take the country
 
Everything happening. The far left is now in control of the Democratic party. Has been for a while. It’s not the same party that it was in the Clinton years. The far left isn’t trying to hide what they want to do. Maybe you have been in a coma since Clinton was President?

Hell, I got buddies who have voted democrat their entire lives who are concerned with where the donkeys (they are jack asses for a reason) want to take the country
Yeah that’s a bit to conspiracy theory. I don’t think in 1992 this with some grand scheme hatched by Bill Clinton. I think they bought into getting Rich. I think others bought into want to control. Power corrupts. But it’s far-fetched to say they planned this out 25 years ago. Sometimes y’all are just as nuts as the other side
 
Yeah that’s a bit to conspiracy theory. I don’t think in 1992 this with some grand scheme hatched by Bill Clinton. I think they bought into getting Rich. I think others bought into want to control. Power corrupts. But it’s far-fetched to say they planned this out 25 years ago. Sometimes y’all are just as nuts as the other side

Huh? Ummmm. The reading comp on here is mind bottling sometimes. For years I never understood how someone could vote for a donkey. I still don’t but reading replies on this site makes me go, welp....thats their base. Woooooweeeee
 
Yeah that’s a bit to conspiracy theory. I don’t think in 1992 this with some grand scheme hatched by Bill Clinton. I think they bought into getting Rich. I think others bought into want to control. Power corrupts. But it’s far-fetched to say they planned this out 25 years ago. Sometimes y’all are just as nuts as the other side
No people like George Soros maybe

In the more I think about it I think I need to amend that I voted for Bush and 92 Clinton 96 and didn’t vote in 2000 because I couldn’t decide between Gore n Bush.

Since then I’ve pretty consistently conservative. I start at more money after 2000 so that makes sense.
 
No people like George Soros maybe

In the more I think about it I think I need to amend that I voted for Bush and 92 Clinton 96 and didn’t vote in 2000 because I couldn’t decide between Gore n Bush.

Since then I’ve pretty consistently conservative. I start at more money after 2000 so that makes sense.

You were voting for the same people every time. Thats what most Americans have never seen.
 
Yeah to some extent I would agree with that. I really haven’t enjoyed voting for anybody Until 2016 which is my first chance to really vote for an outsider.

Yep. Trump was the first President I was actually excited to vote for. Dubya morphed into a dem so much that by 2008 you couldn't tell difference from him or obama.

Clintons, Bushes and obama all loved each other. Cause they were all on the same team.
 
Yeah that’s a bit to conspiracy theory. I don’t think in 1992 this with some grand scheme hatched by Bill Clinton. I think they bought into getting Rich. I think others bought into want to control. Power corrupts. But it’s far-fetchand ed to say they planned this out 25 years ago. Sometimes y’all are just as nuts as the other side
The dems were in power pretty much for 40 years with Senate and Presidency wavering. In 1994 Newts contract with America and democrat corruption caught up with them and the pubs took both houses and forced Clinton to heel. Newt and the RINO Kasich created a balanced budget Clinton reluctantly signed because his PR man Dick Morris stuck his finger in the air and said this is the way the wind is blowing and you better do it.

Pubs didnt know how to rule and dems arrogantly felt it was a birthright that had been taken from them. Dems became radicalized after 1994 and have slowly peeled back the mask showing the world who they are. At their heart they have been collectivist since FDR. Pick a flavor its about redistributing wealth via Social Security, worst society, etc.

As a 9, 10, 11 year old kid watching Carter be humiliated by Khomeini, weakly boycotting the Olympics and destroying the economy, watching our military crumble while speaking about wearing sweaters in your house in the winter, malaise and etc, I knew when I heard Reagan speak that this was the man with the RIGHT IDEAS. I have been a conservative since.
 
You were voting for the same people every time. Thats what most Americans have never seen.
This.
We have the donor class, the political class and then us.
The donor class, thru donations, decides which politician is on the ticket. Hence, they have already been bought and paid for. Throw in some foundation donations and sweetheart deals for family members and the marching orders are determined.
Trump was a different animal. He despised the donor class and didn't need their money. That's why they are out to get him. Hell I'm pretty sure he only ran as leverage for The Apprentice negotiations.
I would argue Obama was similar. Sure he did the obligatory stint in state politics and quick tour as a Senator...but he was an outsider. Difference is, and it's well documented, that Goldman Sachs picked most of his cabinet. But Obama was far more sinister. He used community organizing tactics to sew racial and economic division seeds that would last long after his tenure. Hence the rise of the far left.
 
The dems were in power pretty much for 40 years with Senate and Presidency wavering. In 1994 Newts contract with America and democrat corruption caught up with them and the pubs took both houses and forced Clinton to heel. Newt and the RINO Kasich created a balanced budget Clinton reluctantly signed because his PR man Dick Morris stuck his finger in the air and said this is the way the wind is blowing and you better do it.

Pubs didnt know how to rule and dems arrogantly felt it was a birthright that had been taken from them. Dems became radicalized after 1994 and have slowly peeled back the mask showing the world who they are. At their heart they have been collectivist since FDR. Pick a flavor its about redistributing wealth via Social Security, worst society, etc.

As a 9, 10, 11 year old kid watching Carter be humiliated by Khomeini, weakly boycotting the Olympics and destroying the economy, watching our military crumble while speaking about wearing sweaters in your house in the winter, malaise and etc, I knew when I heard Reagan speak that this was the man with the RIGHT IDEAS. I have been a conservative since.
Yeah that’s pretty much what I would agree with what happened.
I would point out that there’s been a Republican in the White House more than a Democrat in the last 50 years, but as you say there’s not a big difference between Bush in Clinton Now is there

I think Reagan was our last someone outside or president but not as much of an outsider as Trump
 
You’ve never heard it for me before. I know you don’t know me but I’m not prone to hyperbole or rhetoric. When in the recent history of our nation has a party threatened to add four senators stack to court all at the same time. All in response to not being able to except the results of a prior election and the consequences. I have not seen anything like this in my lifetime and I’ve only heard of things like this a few times in our history. The last time being FDR who try to stack the court and the Congress, both parties, blocked him.

I realize you’re one of the lemming that has been indoctrinated but ask yourself this question, does the Democratic Party love America or hate America because I can’t tell anymore. And my dad was a lifelong democrat.
So many of us who grew up in Florida did so in Democrat households. Mine was blue collar Union skilled worker. Mom owned a business, finished college after she helped put her four kids through, became active in Dem Party politics and ended up as the head of a state agency in Reuben Askew's Administration.
The four kids all graduated from college and are now staunch Republicans.
Time marches on.
 
The difference is, Trump has told us the monster is real AND he's got a flashlight in the closet to show us where it is and what it looks like.

In normal political times, the dems and pubs would swap the White House back and forth, everyone stays in office, and both parties continue to leech money off the American people. They are effectively a virus that weakens the host (the American people), but doesn't kill it. The biggest lie they ever told the American people was convincing us that we have a two-party system. There is only one Deep State.

Trump is outside the Deep State. He knows what they have done, and he's going to send them to jail. They know this, that's why they are trying to take the country down with them.

When we elected Trump, we took the Red Pill. We wanted to see what the country was really like, the corruption and evil, and we wanted to see PEOPLE PAY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

In the end, we will have our country back. Everyone will be able to share in the glory and prosperity. Even the moronic sheep that are currently praising and defending the criminals that keep them under foot.
So true! 8 years we had promises from Bush and where did it get us? What distinct changes took place? Promises made - promises not kept = deep state.
 
So many of us who grew up in Florida did so in Democrat households. Mine was blue collar Union skilled worker. Mom owned a business, finished college after she helped put her four kids through, became active in Dem Party politics and ended up as the head of a state agency in Reuben Askew's Administration.
The four kids all graduated from college and are now staunch Republicans.
Time marches on.
My dad died in 1994. He was a stanch democrat. He said they were for the unions and the working man. I wonder what he'd think of today's democrats. BTW, he was the reason I voted for the first time in my life for the first go-round of Bill Clinton. Ugh.
 
My dad died in 1994. He was a stanch democrat. He said they were for the unions and the working man. I wonder what he'd think of today's democrats. BTW, he was the reason I voted for the first time in my life for the first go-round of Bill Clinton. Ugh.
Well, look at where the unions are going these days. Increasingly Republican. Or that would’ve been unthinkable in the 80s and 90s.
 
My white mother was a yellow dog Democrat who always attended first Assembly of God Church when the doors opened. She voted Clinton. The second time she didn't go to the polls because of Clinton low character. She could never vote Pub.

I voted Carter the first time. The last Dimm I ever voted for. My father of color immediately warned me of my glaring mistake and kept me reminded till leukemia killed him at 75.
 
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