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Any guesses on what happened here? You would think it would take total incompetence by at least one person for that to happen. Trying to guess how it could happen otherwise short of something crazy like an enemy drone or something like that coming at them. Maybe a big mechanical failure of something? The Navy has had so many incidents in recent years no telling what caused it.
 
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Any guesses on what happened here? You would think it would take total incompetence by at least one person for that to happen. Trying to guess how it could happen otherwise short of something crazy like an enemy drone or something like that coming at them. Maybe a big mechanical failure of something? The Navy has had so many incidents in recent years no telling what caused it.
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WTF? Someone forget the emergency brake? Got a little sporty offshore? Woman valet parking attendent?

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Any guesses on what happened here? You would think it would take total incompetence by at least one person for that to happen. Trying to guess how it could happen otherwise short of something crazy like an enemy drone or something like that coming at them. Maybe a big mechanical failure of something? The Navy has had so many incidents in recent years no telling what caused it.
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Stacy Abram’s visited and leaned to far in one direction.
 
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That crap happens more than you'd ever believe but usually pilot error or a cable snapping. Not often the crew just dumps the plane into the ocean.
 
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Steveerino said:
That crap happens more than you'd ever believe but usually pilot error or a cable snapping. Not often the crew just dumps the plane into the ocean.
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Plane AND tow. Sounds like it was on an elevator. *Maybe* there was some ship pitch due to seas, but unless you’re at war or in the middle of a extremely critical operation, you shouldn’t be transporting planes to/from the flight deck in seas capable of pitching a carrier
 
Supposedly the carrier was evading a missile or drone attack. That’s two jets and 9 reaper drones lost so far. Who knows how much ordinance launched over the last 5 months and Red Sea is still closed to western shipping.

Ground is shifting under our military’s feet. It’s not Trump’s fault but he should be paying attention. We’re proposing a $1 trillion defense budget. I hope we start spending it smarter.
 
bradleygator said:
Supposedly the carrier was evading a missile or drone attack. That’s two jets and 9 reaper drones lost so far. Who knows how much ordinance launched over the last 5 months and Red Sea is still closed to western shipping.

Ground is shifting under our military’s feet. It’s not Trump’s fault but he should be paying attention. We’re proposing a $1 trillion defense budget. I hope we start spending it smarter.
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To be fair, it seems media on both sides would have an incentive to report on blunders by the military or TSA that might otherwise not get reported on. Pro-Trump media will spin it's cause of DEI culture rot, the Anti-Trump media will spin it's cause of Trump's people.
 
It kind of boggles the mind to think the direction warfare is headed. How far away are we from robot armies and drone air forces and navies?

Whats this thing going to be worth by the time it’s rolling off the assembly line?

 
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Plane AND tow. Sounds like it was on an elevator. *Maybe* there was some ship pitch due to seas, but unless you’re at war or in the middle of a extremely critical operation, you shouldn’t be transporting planes to/from the flight deck in seas capable of pitching a carrier
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Hangar deck so thats a very good possibility.
 
IrishPokerDog said:
Plane AND tow. Sounds like it was on an elevator. *Maybe* there was some ship pitch due to seas, but unless you’re at war or in the middle of a extremely critical operation, you shouldn’t be transporting planes to/from the flight deck in seas capable of pitching a carrier
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It wasn't rough seas I think I read. Curious when we get the full story. My guess is at least one person screwed up big time. A chance of some crazy mechanical failure though I guess.
 
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I doubt the true story ever gets out
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Navy Loses Fighter Jet in Red Sea After It Slides Off Carrier Deck

This incident marks the second Super Hornet that the Truman has lost while deployed to the Red Sea, and it is the third major mishap that has occurred aboard the aircraft carrier in the last several months.
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During the last couple of years this Carrier besides losing this fighter jet ran into a merchant vessel (the commander was relieved of duty), had another fighter jet "blown" into the sea while conducting a resupply and had a fighter jet shot down in a friendly fire incident by a missile cruiser (That commander was reassigned somewhere - not sure if force retired). Not even counting all the other crazy collisions in the last few years it's like the Keystone Cops are running the Navy now.
 
bradleygator said:
It kind of boggles the mind to think the direction warfare is headed. How far away are we from robot armies and drone air forces and navies?

Whats this thing going to be worth by the time it’s rolling off the assembly line?

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They are testing them using AI without pilots now I think. Wont need to worry about G forces and can use them with no human along with a group of drones in tow.
 
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Gator Fever said:
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Navy Loses Fighter Jet in Red Sea After It Slides Off Carrier Deck

This incident marks the second Super Hornet that the Truman has lost while deployed to the Red Sea, and it is the third major mishap that has occurred aboard the aircraft carrier in the last several months.
www.military.com www.military.com

During the last couple of years this Carrier besides losing this fighter jet ran into a merchant vessel (the commander was relieved of duty), had another fighter jet "blown" into the sea while conducting a resupply and had a fighter jet shot down in a friendly fire incident by a missile cruiser (That commander was reassigned somewhere - not sure if force retired). Not even counting all the other crazy collisions in the last few years it's like the Keystone Cops are running the Navy now.
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Shit happens on a carrier. You got a watercraft with aircraft landing there on. Definitely not a safe thing to do.

My dad was a naval aviator during World War II, who flew off the USS Midway. The midway was known to have a pretty aggravated bow-stern pitch in seas - bad enough to where if the plane launch crew miss timed launch on the downward pitch, the catapult would throw the plane into the water. There were never any survivors, because the ship would continue to roll right over pilot and plane. My dad lost a good friend that way
 
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IrishPokerDog said:
Shit happens on a carrier. You got a watercraft with aircraft landing there on. Definitely not a safe thing to do.

My dad was a naval aviator during World War II, who flew off the USS Midway. The midway was known to have a pretty aggravated bow-stern pitch in seas - bad enough to where if the plane launch crew miss timed launch on the downward pitch, the catapult would throw the plane into the water. There were never any survivors, because the ship would continue to roll right over pilot and plane. My dad lost a good friend that way
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I understand when you are doing inheritlently dangerous things but these recent incidents are mostly operator error/weak command incompetence it appears. Hopefully the real story gets out eventually. The attack from a drone or missile hard turn story CNN put out there from "sources" just smells planted since it seems to be dying down now.
 
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I understand when you are doing inheritlently dangerous things but these recent incidents are mostly operator error/weak command incompetence it appears. Hopefully the real story gets out eventually. The attack from a drone or missile hard turn story CNN put out there from "sources" just smells planted since it seems to be dying down now.
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They are under the heaviest naval fire since ww2. Reports are the carrier took a hard turn to avoid a missile or drone.

The friendly fire accident was because the houthis launched a drone attack timed to coincide returning fighters/bombers. The countermeasures took out the fighter.

They got their hands full there. I don’t think people realize.
 
bradleygator said:
They are under the heaviest naval fire since ww2. Reports are the carrier took a hard turn to avoid a missile or drone.

The friendly fire accident was because the houthis launched a drone attack timed to coincide returning fighters/bombers. The countermeasures took out the fighter.

They got their hands full there. I don’t think people realize.
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You dont think they screwed up in that friendly fire incident? I guarantee you someone screwed up big time in that incident doing their job.

Could be on the turn but we were told days afterwards that nothing was up with that helicopter pilot either when they knew she was told to turn left by the other pilot and didn't do it. They even scrubbed her social media before letting the name come out. CNN is used a lot for planted stories that aren't factual many times to get a narrative going to hide what really happened.
 
What really happened? They were just cruising around and shot down one of their own planes and drove another one into the ocean? I would think that CO would be relieved of his command if that were the case,

He’s not some DEI hire, if he’s CO of a carrier he’s probably been in command at sea bullets for 30 years.

I’m telling you guys it is hot in the Red Sea.
 
bradleygator said:
What really happened? They were just cruising around and shot down one of their own planes and drove another one into the ocean? I would think that CO would be relieved of his command if that were the case,

He’s not some DEI hire, if he’s CO of a carrier he’s probably been in command at sea bullets for 30 years.

I’m telling you guys it is hot in the Red Sea.
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Co got relieved.
 
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Gator Fever said:
www.military.com

Navy Loses Fighter Jet in Red Sea After It Slides Off Carrier Deck

This incident marks the second Super Hornet that the Truman has lost while deployed to the Red Sea, and it is the third major mishap that has occurred aboard the aircraft carrier in the last several months.
www.military.com www.military.com

During the last couple of years this Carrier besides losing this fighter jet ran into a merchant vessel (the commander was relieved of duty), had another fighter jet "blown" into the sea while conducting a resupply and had a fighter jet shot down in a friendly fire incident by a missile cruiser (That commander was reassigned somewhere - not sure if force retired). Not even counting all the other crazy collisions in the last few years it's like the Keystone Cops are running the Navy now.
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bradleygator said:
They are under the heaviest naval fire since ww2. Reports are the carrier took a hard turn to avoid a missile or drone.

The friendly fire accident was because the houthis launched a drone attack timed to coincide returning fighters/bombers. The countermeasures took out the fighter.

They got their hands full there. I don’t think people realize.
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I agree with you here. I am not sure the world understands much about the houthi's. They may be the most radical muslim terror group on the planet...and DEFINATELY the best armed. They make ZERO bones that they want to end America, Israel, and Capitalism. We are at almost full scale war over there now...and the news is silent for some reason. This is an INCREDIBLEY important situation that we have to contain, or the whole middle east will blow up. They hate the Saudi's and others style of islam, and geographically can really cause some bad stuff for the world.
 
Another one went overboard. I’ve read a bunch that the Houthis timed missile and drone attacks to correspond to take off and landing on bombing runs. Which they probably run all day, but raises concerns about how sophisticated these individuals are in these operations.

Trump basically acknowledged as much today that these guys are a freaking handful. Hopefully we worked it out so the Red Sea is open. But I think the pentagon better look at this hard as far as how we spend our money moving forward. If we’re launching million dollar missiles and $20m drones at people who are disabling them with $5k drones, that is a game changer.
 
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Another one went overboard. I’ve read a bunch that the Houthis timed missile and drone attacks to correspond to take off and landing on bombing runs. Which they probably run all day, but raises concerns about how sophisticated these individuals are in these operations.

Trump basically acknowledged as much today that these guys are a freaking handful. Hopefully we worked it out so the Red Sea is open. But I think the pentagon better look at this hard as far as how we spend our money moving forward. If we’re launching million dollar missiles and $20m drones at people who are disabling them with $5k drones, that is a game changer.
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You really do not pay attention to world events. Listen...WE DO. PLEASE do some research before coming back here and having us point this every time you post. In fact...you libs need to stay away from subjects of firearms and wars. You could never understand either. (too busy adjusting your "man" bun)
 
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You really do not pay attention to world events. Listen...WE DO. PLEASE do some research before coming back here and having us point this every time you post. In fact...you libs need to stay away from subjects of firearms and wars. You could never understand either. (too busy adjusting your "man" bun)
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Ok - what exactly are you calling out as being uninformed? It was reported we did lose another jet off the Truman
 
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Another one went overboard. I’ve read a bunch that the Houthis timed missile and drone attacks to correspond to take off and landing on bombing runs. Which they probably run all day, but raises concerns about how sophisticated these individuals are in these operations.

Trump basically acknowledged as much today that these guys are a freaking handful. Hopefully we worked it out so the Red Sea is open. But I think the pentagon better look at this hard as far as how we spend our money moving forward. If we’re launching million dollar missiles and $20m drones at people who are disabling them with $5k drones, that is a game changer.
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Totally different scenario if the arrestment stuff failed is an accurate report and doesn't look related to any drone or missile stuff as far as I can see. I would be more inclined to belive this may just be a mechanical error based on what happened but we won't know the truth for a while probably. The prior jet overboard incident would suggest a good chance of a crewman screwup but we will have to see later if that is the case. Curious how long they wait to give us the truth on that considering their actions to delay and deflect with the helicopter pilot that ignored directives and flew into that jet.
 
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fact of the matter is that theyre fighting around the clock and they aren't used to it, the Navy hasn't been running sorties at this level since the invasion.
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Definitely. If you’re launching and retrieving planes around the clock in the middle of the ocean and dodging the occasional missile or drone swarm, there are going to be mishaps.

Hopefully pentagon is paying attention to this and to drone warfare in Ukraine and our trillion dollar defense budget accounts for changing nature of warfare.
 
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fact of the matter is that theyre fighting around the clock and they aren't used to it, the Navy hasn't been running sorties at this level since the invasion.
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100% I cannot believe we are fighting this much with little to no coverage. Of course Yemen is not where anyone wants to be...and they cannot be near the carrier groups.
 
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fact of the matter is that theyre fighting around the clock and they aren't used to it, the Navy hasn't been running sorties at this level since the invasion.
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What is more likely on this arrestment failure? Mechanical probably but could be crew screw up? A thing like that there should be little excuse for a crew screwup I would think. I don't give the Navy any benefit of the doubt when we have all these crazy screwups the past few years. It's embarrassing many of the ones where they ran into other ships etc. Incompetence basically which usually means it came from the top down and no telling the changes under Biden.

I mean we have pilots now that think they can just ignore controllers and the other pilot in the chopper when they tell them to turn. That screams a top down military problem.
 
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