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48 hours post Trumps victory

nail1988

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Can we sit down and think about the past 48 hours of Trump's election aftermath?- EU wants to buy US gas, not Russia- A major company already announced it's slashing production in China to avoid tariffs- Qatar is kicking out Hamas- China and Russia ready to work with Trump- Stocks soared- Migrant caravan halves in size- Mexico commits to keeping migrants from the border with the USNot gonna get tired of the winning.

 
Winning

Can we sit down and think about the past 48 hours of Trump's election aftermath?- EU wants to buy US gas, not Russia- A major company already announced it's slashing production in China to avoid tariffs- Qatar is kicking out Hamas- China and Russia ready to work with Trump- Stocks soared- Migrant caravan halves in size- Mexico commits to keeping migrants from the border with the USNot gonna get tired of the winning.

You forgot….

Even my coffee tastes better in the morning.
 
Interesting. I have been opposed to giving them an inch. BUT IF he can get a tripwire like we have in Korea that will ensure Ukraine will survive as independent, will join the EU and probably be admitted to NATO, then I could support the theft. Long term Putin loses in this scenario as any future move guarantees NATO involvement even if Ukraine is not in NATO. Plans for reviving the empire is over. He can still ride horses shirtless and play the bad ass back home.

What is plan B if Putin balks.

Zelensky aint going to like the theft but with NATO... uhm clears throat and laughs... Europe protecting him as part of the deal he might be willing.
 
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Oh and if Trump pulls this off it will validate what I ALWAYS said. European/NATO/American boots on the ground before this war started would have prevented the war in the first place.

We have got to quit being Chamberlains and be Churchills/ Reagans. Make the enemy fear us and put our troops in front of the enemy before they attack our allies/friends/countries of concern.
 
Oh and if Trump pulls this off it will validate what I ALWAYS said. European/NATO/American boots on the ground before this war started would have prevented the war in the first place.

We have got to quit being Chamberlains and be Churchills/ Reagans. Make the enemy fear us and put our troops in front of the enemy before they attack our allies/friends/countries of concern.
Not in the mood to debate, but the threat of NATO boots on the ground were a major cause of this war in the first place. And it’s really not even debatable.

One of the reasons Trump got elected in the first place was to stay out of nonsense like this.
 
Oh and if Trump pulls this off it will validate what I ALWAYS said. European/NATO/American boots on the ground before this war started would have prevented the war in the first place.

We have got to quit being Chamberlains and be Churchills/ Reagans. Make the enemy fear us and put our troops in front of the enemy before they attack our allies/friends/countries of concern.
I don't agree. And eff NATO. :mad: They are seriously in arrears in payments. Have we EVER been paid back for the first two world wars?
 
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Not in the mood to debate, but the threat of NATO boots on the ground were a major cause of this war in the first place. And it’s really not even debatable.

One of the reasons Trump got elected in the first place was to stay out of nonsense like this.

I don't agree. And eff NATO. :mad: They are seriously in arrears in payments. Have we EVER been paid back for the first two world wars?
I guess if Trump pulls this off you boys will be disappointed?

This didn't cross my mind as a possibility. In fact I don't think anyone BUT Trump could pull this off. Biden isn't smart enough to come up with this. And even if he did, Putin, Zelensky and EU would not listen.

No American troops on the ground. EU tripwire troops and Ukraine snatched out of the Bears claws.

Brilliant if it works.

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I guess if Trump pulls this off you boys will be disappointed?

This didn't cross my mind as a possibility. In fact I don't think anyone BUT Trump could pull this off. Biden isn't smart enough to come up with this. And even if he did, Putin, Zelensky and EU would not listen.

No American troops on the ground. EU tripwire troops and Ukraine snatched out of the Bears claws.

Brilliant if it works.

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I will have to see it from somewhere a little closer to Trump first. Somewhere better than the guys who just claimed Mike Davis was a potential pick for AG.

Let’s pump the brakes on what the British Tabloid is saying, for now.
 
I will have to see it from somewhere a little closer to Trump first. Somewhere better than the guys who just claimed Mike Davis was a potential pick for AG.

Let’s pump the brakes on what the British Tabloid is saying, for now.
Sure, but plan is too "smart" for a tabloid to pull out of its @ss.
 
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Good news for us.
Pretty much what daily mail snapshot that Nail showed. No mention of the 800 mile buffer with EU/British troops? That will be key and will not happen without Trump guaranteeing we have their back if Russia trips the wire. And Trump has no leverage with Putin unless he threatens escalation behind closed doors. Those troops will be forced on Putin. He will not say "oh yeah great idea. My whole plan to make Ukraine a vassal state has just been thwarted. Great, the resources go to Europe and the profit to Kiev. My declining demographics will get worse and the plan to double my serfs... uhm population is out the window. This empire thing is hard work. "

You going to be fine when Trump stays in NATO, backs EU troops in Ukraine with America's promise to go to war if tripped?

The consequences of further adventurism must be real to ensure that the chinless bastard stays in Moscow and off the world stage.

I didn't want to see Putin get an inch but I will be ok if the plan is as described. Its his last bite at that apple and he looses Ukraine as an independent country aligned with Europe with a "big beautiful wall" manned by European soldiers to keep him out. " The biggest in Europe almost as big as the one we are going to build which will be the bigliest most beautiful wall ever. I mean Yuge."
Bad news for the war apparatus.
They are going to be in high gear restocking from Ukraine and Israel. The bad news is the time it takes. The good news, maybe, is that it might get the NGAD and the drones back into high gear. Cheaper, mass produced , stealthy, expendable and hopefully quickly built. Also this lights a fire under them to start using our own rare earth minerals instead of letting China control the market and our security. I read where we have a ton of untapped lithium in several states. Mine baby mine and drill baby drill. Oh and if Trump gets them to finally pay their way it will mean more sales of our weapons to Europe. I think the war apparatus will be just fine.

Question is will America be fine? Color me skeptical because both sides are blind. The left have their global socialist dreams. Its unsustainable, brings about poverty and is frankly evil in it seeks to enslave. Our side wants to blame our debt on global engagement and our military. Pat Buchanan would be proud. Reagan not so much. Well Trump isn't Buchanan nor is he Reagan so I see both of us being a little disappointed but also mostly happy.

Its domestic spending on the welfare state, bailouts at every economic hiccup and entitlements that is killing and will kill us. 30T+ of our 36T of debt is due to the welfare state. 2T of debt based unconstitutional spending on domestic programs is almost 3x the amount spent on the constitutionally mandated 700B in military spending aka the war apparatus. I am looking forward to seeing the tangible assets of my tax dollars again this summer. Blue Angels come to town again.

But we can both agree and hope that Trump brings peace to Ukraine and Israel while getting us back on track economically. We sure as hell knew that the dems could not do it.


 
Pretty much what daily mail snapshot that Nail showed. No mention of the 800 mile buffer with EU/British troops? That will be key and will not happen without Trump guaranteeing we have their back if Russia trips the wire. And Trump has no leverage with Putin unless he threatens escalation behind closed doors. Those troops will be forced on Putin. He will not say "oh yeah great idea. My whole plan to make Ukraine a vassal state has just been thwarted. Great, the resources go to Europe and the profit to Kiev. My declining demographics will get worse and the plan to double my serfs... uhm population is out the window. This empire thing is hard work. "

You going to be fine when Trump stays in NATO, backs EU troops in Ukraine with America's promise to go to war if tripped?

The consequences of further adventurism must be real to ensure that the chinless bastard stays in Moscow and off the world stage.

I didn't want to see Putin get an inch but I will be ok if the plan is as described. Its his last bite at that apple and he looses Ukraine as an independent country aligned with Europe with a "big beautiful wall" manned by European soldiers to keep him out. " The biggest in Europe almost as big as the one we are going to build which will be the bigliest most beautiful wall ever. I mean Yuge."

They are going to be in high gear restocking from Ukraine and Israel. The bad news is the time it takes. The good news, maybe, is that it might get the NGAD and the drones back into high gear. Cheaper, mass produced , stealthy, expendable and hopefully quickly built. Also this lights a fire under them to start using our own rare earth minerals instead of letting China control the market and our security. I read where we have a ton of untapped lithium in several states. Mine baby mine and drill baby drill. Oh and if Trump gets them to finally pay their way it will mean more sales of our weapons to Europe. I think the war apparatus will be just fine.

Question is will America be fine? Color me skeptical because both sides are blind. The left have their global socialist dreams. Its unsustainable, brings about poverty and is frankly evil in it seeks to enslave. Our side wants to blame our debt on global engagement and our military. Pat Buchanan would be proud. Reagan not so much. Well Trump isn't Buchanan nor is he Reagan so I see both of us being a little disappointed but also mostly happy.

Its domestic spending on the welfare state, bailouts at every economic hiccup and entitlements that is killing and will kill us. 30T+ of our 36T of debt is due to the welfare state. 2T of debt based unconstitutional spending on domestic programs is almost 3x the amount spent on the constitutionally mandated 700B in military spending aka the war apparatus. I am looking forward to seeing the tangible assets of my tax dollars again this summer. Blue Angels come to town again.

But we can both agree and hope that Trump brings peace to Ukraine and Israel while getting us back on track economically. We sure as hell knew that the dems could not do it.
Nah. That’s NOT exactly what Daily Mail said. Nor is it what the Newsmax article linked above said, which is why you’re going on a biblical length diatribe.

You going to be ok if we pull out of NATO and Let Europe mind their own business?

Which is literally the opposite of what you’re implying.

We have had the economic discussion multiple times, I showed you where you were wrong. Before it was ignorance. Now it’s more than that as you have the information. I will leave it at that.

That said, it will be more nuanced than either of those, but this is progress, snd the opposite of your aspirations.

 
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Little more fun with NATO. While listening to RFK, you should probably also consider the 3 things RFK said he and Trump had agreed upon.

Hint: one of them is war and the military industrial complex.

 
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Not only is she stupid, she is also arrogant.
Can you imagine her being your bartender 🤷‍♂️🤯🫣😵‍💫 Hey lets get off from a hard days work and go get our drinks made by that whiny,
pissy, arrogant, dumber than dirty dishwater socialist bartender.🤡

I’d rather have a fork🍴heated by a torch and stuck in my eye. 🤪
 
Can you imagine her being your bartender 🤷‍♂️🤯🫣😵‍💫 Hey lets get off from a hard days work and go get our drinks made by that whiny,
pissy, arrogant, dumber than dirty dishwater socialist bartender.🤡

I’d rather have a fork🍴heated by a torch and stuck in my eye. 🤪
I was thinking ice pick in the ear, but I hear you bro. Actually, I would go to the bar every freaking day she was working wearing a MAGA hat and just wait for her to open her pie hole and say something. 😁😁😁
 
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