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The important question is who is investigating? If TPD, he might as well go ahead and get sized for his equipment.
 
Taking FSU out of it, this is seriously one of the shadiest cases I've ever seen. There's no doubt that kid was murdered. I mean LMAO@ a kid falling head first into a mat and dying of asphyxiation. Please.
 
Originally posted by oozie7:
Taking FSU out of it, this is seriously one of the shadiest cases I've ever seen. There's no doubt that kid was murdered. I mean LMAO@ a kid falling head first into a mat and dying of asphyxiation. Please.
Is it true that his father is an FBI agent?
 
If you're talking about the case from Lowndes County(Valdosta), its a bunch of nonsense. The kid wasn't murdered and three different law enforcement agencies and the medical examiner didn't engage in a cover-up. This has been going on for over a year now and the family is dead set on getting money from someone - anyone - regardless of the fact that such a conspiracy involving so many different people is preposterous. There was even a "reward" at one time offered by a local preacher, who finally withdrew it after a year and not one single tip.
 
So it's your belief that a kid who was known to have been in a fight recently and had enemies, fell into a mat and died that way? What about the blunt force trauma on the body? Or the shoes? Or any number of things that don't add up. There's too much there to chalk it all up to coincidence.

And yea Paco that guys dad is an FBI agent.
 
Originally posted by Buddy Green:
If you're talking about the case from Lowndes County(Valdosta), its a bunch of nonsense. The kid wasn't murdered and three different law enforcement agencies and the medical examiner didn't engage in a cover-up. This has been going on for over a year now and the family is dead set on getting money from someone - anyone - regardless of the fact that such a conspiracy involving so many different people is preposterous. There was even a "reward" at one time offered by a local preacher, who finally withdrew it after a year and not one single tip.
Are you talking about this story?


http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/us/georgia-gym-mat-death/index.html
 
Originally posted by oozie7:
So it's your belief that a kid who was known to have been in a fight recently and had enemies, fell into a mat and died that way? What about the blunt force trauma on the body? Or the shoes? Or any number of things that don't add up. There's too much there to chalk it all up to coincidence.
I agree with you.
 
Originally posted by PacoGator19:
Originally posted by Buddy Green:
If you're talking about the case from Lowndes County(Valdosta), its a bunch of nonsense. The kid wasn't murdered and three different law enforcement agencies and the medical examiner didn't engage in a cover-up. This has been going on for over a year now and the family is dead set on getting money from someone - anyone - regardless of the fact that such a conspiracy involving so many different people is preposterous. There was even a "reward" at one time offered by a local preacher, who finally withdrew it after a year and not one single tip.
Are you talking about this story?


http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/us/georgia-gym-mat-death/index.html
Which one are you talking about?
 
Originally posted by GatorGray:

Originally posted by PacoGator19:

Originally posted by Buddy Green:
If you're talking about the case from Lowndes County(Valdosta), its a bunch of nonsense. The kid wasn't murdered and three different law enforcement agencies and the medical examiner didn't engage in a cover-up. This has been going on for over a year now and the family is dead set on getting money from someone - anyone - regardless of the fact that such a conspiracy involving so many different people is preposterous. There was even a "reward" at one time offered by a local preacher, who finally withdrew it after a year and not one single tip.
Are you talking about this story?


http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/us/georgia-gym-mat-death/index.html
Which one are you talking about?
I'm talking about the one in the above link.
 
I'm pretty sure that is what Buddy is talking abut,. and he is right. It has been investigated 14 ways to Sunday and they come to the same conclusion each time.
 
Damn. That's weird. Who provided the police with the information that he was trying to retrieve a shoe from out of the mat? How did they learn that? And why wouldn't a person just unroll the flippin mat if it was that far up in there? Or just stand it up on end and let the shoe fall out? Or get a broom or stick and poke it out. That story makes no sense to me. Would asphyxiation distort a victim's facial features like that? Maybe it does...I don't know. Whooole lot of questions. I wouldn't suspect a conspiracy by the investigators and coroner. Just sloppy and incompetent maybe. Or stupid.
 
Originally posted by SnowshoeGator:

Damn. That's weird. Who provided the police with the information that he was trying to retrieve a shoe from out of the mat? How did they learn that? And why wouldn't a person just unroll the flippin mat if it was that far up in there? Or just stand it up on end and let the shoe fall out? Or get a broom or stick and poke it out. That story makes no sense to me. Would asphyxiation distort a victim's facial features like that? Maybe it does...I don't know. Whooole lot of questions. I wouldn't suspect a conspiracy by the investigators and coroner. Just sloppy and incompetent maybe. Or stupid.
All of this. If the theory is that he was trying to receive a shoe, then clearly somebody had to have seen it to report it to police. So why wouldn't they help him once he fell into this mat supposedly? Or unroll the damn thing like you said? It makes no sense whatsoever. And certain people's actions after the fact makes it even more suspicious.
 
Originally posted by oozie7:
So it's your belief that a kid who was known to have been in a fight recently and had enemies, fell into a mat and died that way? What about the blunt force trauma on the body? Or the shoes? Or any number of things that don't add up. There's too much there to chalk it all up to coincidence.

And yea Paco that guys dad is an FBI agent.
Sigh...What you are doing is repeating the false narrative started by the parents. None of what you post is true. The parents have already been caught in multiple lies. The father even went on some tv program and tried to demonstrate that it was impossible to crawl into a mat which was lying down when he knows it was found upright. This all came up in the wake of the Trayvon Martin mess so they hired the same attorney since they wanted to argue race. I have followed this since day one and its a huge "hoax". The kid suffocated, there was no other evidence. The two kids who's father works for the FBI agent were not in the gym when it occurred. Their whereabouts are an established fact to everyone except KJ's family.There was no recent fight with them, there was a verbal spat months earlier. They were not his "enemies", that's a ridiculous characterization by the family. Again, Lowndes County Sheriff's Office and Georgia Bureau of Investigation investigated this for three months before coming to their conclusion(numerous children gave statements about how they kept shoes and clothes on top of the mats and how the stuff would slide in from time to time and have to be retrieved ).

There is no blunt force trauma consistent with a wound that could have caused death. There was no pooling of blood internally. There was no damage to the brain. Being "beaten to death" or otherwise suffering a blow that leads to death leaves tell-tale signs, it would never be a "mystery". He was a teenager who played football and wrestled. Anyone that age, and especially anyone involved in those activities, is going to have bruises, scrapes, scratches and all sorts of minor wounds. Again, smoke and mirrors raised by the family looking for money.

What they are arguing is that dozens of LCS officers(white and black), dozens of GBI employees(white and black), dozens of school children and employees, the medical examiner's office and countless other people all put their careers and freedom on the line, committed felonies, and violated this one random kid's civil rights simply to cover-up that two students who's father works for the FBI were responsible for his death. That is preposterous. I wont even get into how ridiculous the notion is that they staged that crime scene. All it would take is one person - one out of dozens - to have a conscience and this whole think is exposed. Why on earth would all those people engage in this conspiracy? Seriously, it makes no sense at all. Simply the medical examiner being involved is ludicrous.

And lastly, the two kids' family has already had to file a lawsuit against Ebony magazine for defamation of character due to a "fictitious" story they created trying to pin this on them.
 
I've read and heard both sides to the story and who believes what happened. My belief is the whole situation is pretty sketchy and really not sure what to think. I'm not saying this kid was murdered, but I certainly don't understand how you fall into wrestling mat and suffocate to death either.
 
Originally posted by SnowshoeGator:

Who provided the police with the information that he was trying to retrieve a shoe from out of the mat? How did they learn that? And why wouldn't a person just unroll the flippin mat if it was that far up in there?
Other students gave this information.

The mats are very heavy and it takes multiple people to stand them up or lay them down. They even estimated that, with KJ's weight included, it would take three plus people to roll him up and stand it up.

He was upside down for 12-16 hours, which explains why his face looked like that.
 
Is any of this true or is it all made up?

Brian and the kid found dead both dated the same girl, they fought twice about the girl.
Brians father works for FBI.
There is a picture on that link of Brian with a change of clothes, a bag in his hands and blood on his jacket before he changed clothes. That evidence was never looked at for DNA.

-Body of Kendrick Johnson is found
-Sheriff Prine doesnt call coroner until hours after his own illegal investigation
-Sheriff and Coroner ignore blood spatter on wall, without even testing it
-Coroner admits that Prine engaged in misconduct
-Coroner says Kendrick died of Positional Accidental Asphyxiation
-Coroner backtracks on judgement of Sheriff handling death
-Family is denied right to see body
-Family releases photos of son, complains that wasnt accident
-family enlists help of GBI
-GBI conducts autopsy, confirms Positional Asphyxiation as cause of death
-Family refutes claims of (Kendrick)being stuck in a mat
-Family is refused video surveillance of childs death
-Father climbs in mat to prove physically impossible based on stature of son
-Family says second pair of shoes left at crime scene not Kendricks
-School says it is
-School starts to deny family anymore access to the gym due to "disturbance"
-Kendricks two school books found in different sides of the gym (family believes proves struggle, disputing claims he threw them on different sides of the room)
-GBI conducts 2nd autopsy stands by original findings
-Family contacts private coroner for inquest
-Family files lawsuit to exhume body of son to perform private investigation
-Body of Kendrick is exhumed
-Coroner finds Kendrick died of NON ACCIDENTAL blunt force trauma to neck
-Coroner also find from Kendrick missing all organs from neck to his torso (body filled with newspaper)
-Family finds Kendricks usually long nails have also been cut to the skin
-Family hires Private Investigator to find out details
-Family files lawsuit to receive school surveillance
-Lowndes police/ School contest it
-Judge rules in favor of family getting surveillance
-Surveillance is missing key moments in death
 
"-Coroner also find from Kendrick missing all organs from neck to his torso (body filled with newspaper)"

Wait, what?
 
Originally posted by bradleygator:
"-Coroner also find from Kendrick missing all organs from neck to his torso (body filled with newspaper)"

Wait, what?
It's actually not that uncommon. Funeral homes are scum of the earth.
 
Sounds crazy but family members love to believe any conspiracy stuff when they lose someone like that.
 
Originally posted by oozie7:
Why is race being brought up? You think this is about race?
Without a doubt, CNN wouldn't have run with the story if race wasn't involved. Black teenager 'murdered' and southern backwoods cops trying to cover it up, it's not CNN's first rodeo.
 
Originally posted by SnowshoeGator:

Would asphyxiation distort a victim's facial features like that? Maybe it does...I don't know.
The picture you're referring to was a post autopsy image. They cut the skin on the back of the head and literally peel it off in order to examine the tissue/muscle underneath. That's why his face looks like that.
 
Originally posted by PacoGator19:

Is any of this true or is it all made up?

Brian and the kid found dead both dated the same girl, they fought twice about the girl.
Brians father works for FBI.
There is a picture on that link of Brian with a change of clothes, a bag in his hands and blood on his jacket before he changed clothes. That evidence was never looked at for DNA.

-Body of Kendrick Johnson is found
-Sheriff Prine doesnt call coroner until hours after his own illegal investigation
-Sheriff and Coroner ignore blood spatter on wall, without even testing it
-Coroner admits that Prine engaged in misconduct
-Coroner says Kendrick died of Positional Accidental Asphyxiation
-Coroner backtracks on judgement of Sheriff handling death
-Family is denied right to see body
-Family releases photos of son, complains that wasnt accident
-family enlists help of GBI
-GBI conducts autopsy, confirms Positional Asphyxiation as cause of death
-Family refutes claims of (Kendrick)being stuck in a mat
-Family is refused video surveillance of childs death
-Father climbs in mat to prove physically impossible based on stature of son
-Family says second pair of shoes left at crime scene not Kendricks
-School says it is
-School starts to deny family anymore access to the gym due to "disturbance"
-Kendricks two school books found in different sides of the gym (family believes proves struggle, disputing claims he threw them on different sides of the room)
-GBI conducts 2nd autopsy stands by original findings
-Family contacts private coroner for inquest
-Family files lawsuit to exhume body of son to perform private investigation
-Body of Kendrick is exhumed
-Coroner finds Kendrick died of NON ACCIDENTAL blunt force trauma to neck
-Coroner also find from Kendrick missing all organs from neck to his torso (body filled with newspaper)
-Family finds Kendricks usually long nails have also been cut to the skin
-Family hires Private Investigator to find out details
-Family files lawsuit to receive school surveillance
-Lowndes police/ School contest it
-Judge rules in favor of family getting surveillance
-Surveillance is missing key moments in death
Its mostly exaggerations and smoke and mirrors. I don't have time to explain two years worth of nonsense by the parents.

Did you even read the lawsuit? They are suing two complete organizations and 36 individuals including school children, the sheriff himself, the medical examiner, school officials and others for $100 million. How would this FBI guys get a sheriff's department(17 employees named in the suit), GBI, the State crime lab, the school, school children etc.. all to agree to cover up that his kids killed KJ? Its ludicrous. What would any of these individuals have to gain?

Here's all you need to know:

Lowndes County sheriff's deputies have released a report confirming the alibi of the older of two brothers still being investigated by federal prosecutors in the death of a Valdosta teen found dead in a gym mat.


Last month,
one of the lawyers representing Johnson's parents produced a copy of a bus reservation that listed a 4 p.m. departure time for a wrestling tournament in which the older brother was competing - roughly three hours after Johnson was last seen alive.


The sheriff's report includes interviews with the Lowndes High wrestling coach, the bus driver and several teammates who insist they left Valdosta around lunchtime.



Wrestling coach Spencer Graybeal told Lowndes Sheriff's Lt. Stryde Jones the form was submitted with an estimated departure time three months before the tournament. The request was later amended, Graybeal said, when he learned the wrestlers were due in Macon - 152 miles away - at 4 p.m. for weigh-ins. The coach told Jones the team departed school grounds no later than 12:30 p.m. - a little less than an hour before Johnson was last seen on school surveillance tapes.



The wrestler under investigation was on the bus, said Graybeal, who provided Jones with a copy of the Jan. 10, 2013 weigh-in report that included the name of the student in question.



Bus driver William White corroborated Graybeal's statement to police and said he recalls the suspected wrestler being on the bus because, "[he] was one of the better wrestlers on the team." Ten teammates also confirmed his presence on the bus to Lowndes deputies.

The wrestler's younger brother was in class and accounted for when Johnson was seen entering the gym where his body would later be discovered.


http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/deputies-confirm-alibi-of-valdosta-wrestler-linked/njT7h/

So, they are all lying? The coach, the bus driver, the ten teammates and the people who weighed him in at the tournament - all lying?

Its all nonsense. Its a verified fact that the older kid was in Macon with the wresting team and his brother was in class. You are falling for a not-so-slick con job by a race hustling attorney who promised the family they'd get money. Having this info, do you now see how ridiculous their claim is? I hope.
 
Originally posted by JaxDawg07:
Originally posted by oozie7:
Why is race being brought up? You think this is about race?
Without a doubt, CNN wouldn't have run with the story if race wasn't involved. Black teenager 'murdered' and southern backwoods cops trying to cover it up, it's not CNN's first rodeo.
The fact that CNN isn't leading with this every day tells me there is nothing to all the conspiracy questions. I'm sure they've twisted it every which way to see if they could make it into a story.
 
Originally posted by JaxDawg07:

Originally posted by oozie7:
Why is race being brought up? You think this is about race?
Without a doubt, CNN wouldn't have run with the story if race wasn't involved. Black teenager 'murdered' and southern backwoods cops trying to cover it up, it's not CNN's first rodeo.
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