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Friend of mine who is a dentist started his career working for the VA 25 years ago. He did his stint and got out of there, said that place has been broken forever. :(
I can personally tell you it is. I have been waiting for about 2 years now for the Florida VA to setup an appointment for something.

I have thrown in the towel.

For those wanting socialized medicine, come spend some time in a vets world. And yes, it’s gotten worse under this administration.

Lastly, to reiterate:

All this money our politicians are giving away….our friends on the left should be just disgusted with until we take care of our own. My bet? They will put their politics first.

Ukraine can piss off as far as I am concerned. Our vets are killing themselves. Sucks.
 
There is no reason why we can’t continue to prevent Putin from conquering Eastern Europe while also improving funding and services to veterans. This is a false choice that was designed to incite outrage.
Our track record at stopping Russia and/or the spread of communism is awful.

Ukraine is not much better than Russia and certainly doesn't deserve to deplete our ammunition stocks or treasury.
 
There is no reason why we can’t continue to prevent Putin from conquering Eastern Europe while also improving funding and services to veterans. This is a false choice that was designed to incite outrage.
There is no reason to be cleaning someone else’s home until our home is clean. If we can’t clean our own home, then we got no business trying to clean someone else’s home.

Not another penny for the warmongers while those they use to do their dirty work suffer.
 
There is no reason why we can’t continue to prevent Putin from conquering Eastern Europe while also improving funding and services to veterans. This is a false choice that was designed to incite outrage.
LOL You are the last person to talk about anyone inciting outrage. You stay outraged, the left just points you in the direction they want and let you go.
 
Our track record at stopping Russia and/or the spread of communism is awful.

Ukraine is not much better than Russia and certainly doesn't deserve to deplete our ammunition stocks or treasury.
We haven't been worth a damn at stopping commies since a rogue (and unwoke) CIA hammered their dicks in the dirt under Reagan. I will add this as well, today's Russia is no more communist than Ukraine is. Why do we continue to fund other people's wars when both are just as suspect as the other. :mad:
 
There is no reason to be cleaning someone else’s home until our home is clean. If we can’t clean our own home, then we got no business trying to clean someone else’s home.

Not another penny for the warmongers while those they use to do their dirty work suffer.
So, we stop supporting foreign nations' military excursions. Are we also closing every overseas military base, and then bringing every soldier home? Will there be enough jobs available for all of them? Are we then just going to sit back and allow for a winner take all approach to the Middle East? What happens if they all decide to partner up and bring the fight to America? Just random thoughts...
 
So, we stop supporting foreign nations' military excursions. Are we also closing every overseas military base, and then bringing every soldier home? Will there be enough jobs available for all of them? Are we then just going to sit back and allow for a winner take all approach to the Middle East? What happens if they all decide to partner up and bring the fight to America? Just random thoughts...
What happens when we take the $100 billion we've given to Ukraine and instead invest it in our military?

I think we'll be ok.
 
So, we stop supporting foreign nations' military excursions. Are we also closing every overseas military base, and then bringing every soldier home? Will there be enough jobs available for all of them? Are we then just going to sit back and allow for a winner take all approach to the Middle East? What happens if they all decide to partner up and bring the fight to America? Just random thoughts...
Seriously? This is why we fund the Mossad, they are our MP's in the Middle East. :rolleyes:
 
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There is no reason why we can’t continue to prevent Putin from conquering Eastern Europe while also improving funding and services to veterans. This is a false choice that was designed to incite outrage.
Two years ago the majority of Americans couldn't find Ukraine on a world map. If they lose this deal in two years the majority of Americans won't give a hoot.
 
Two years ago the majority of Americans couldn't find Ukraine on a world map. If they lose this deal in two years the majority of Americans won't give a hoot.

If we don’t help them defend themselves, Ukraine won’t exist on a map. Russia will just retake Eastern Europe back to the Curzon Line. Dealing with a reconstituted Russian Empire would be far more costly than what Ukraine is costing us today.

And there no reason to blame Ukraine for insufficient VA funding.
 
Our military isn't lacking as far as funding is concerned.
The point is why does the left always want to send money overseas when we have problems here to address?

If every house in your neighborhood gets broken into, do you first buy a security system for YOUR house, or do you give your neighbors money?

You take care of your problem first.

When we have taken care of our problems, then we can worry about the rest of the world. Please put your politics aside and use your brain.
 
Why doesn't any other country ever send the United States money to help us with our problems? Have you guys ever thought about that?
 
The point is why does the left always want to send money overseas when we have problems here to address?

If every house in your neighborhood gets broken into, do you first buy a security system for YOUR house, or do you give your neighbors money?

You take care of your problem first.

When we have taken care of our problems, then we can worry about the rest of the world. Please put your politics aside and use your brain.
Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and Trump. Which of these guys did not send any money overseas to support foreign military excursions? Which of these guys expressed such a sentiment?
 
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Why doesn't any other country ever send the United States money to help us with our problems? Have you guys ever thought about that?
Does America not borrow money from China; or have we stopped doing so. I don't know. I remember the 80s mantra that China was our largest creditor.
 
Yes. As is South Korea, Germany, we need Turkey for airspace permissions.
It's far past time for Germany to put on their big boy pants. Their problem is their past leadership is borderline socialist. How many times do we need to rescue their asses, particularly when they shoot themselves in the foot? Trump warned them, did they listen? Hell no.
 
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If we don’t help them defend themselves, Ukraine won’t exist on a map. Russia will just retake Eastern Europe back to the Curzon Line. Dealing with a reconstituted Russian Empire would be far more costly than what Ukraine is costing us today.

And there no reason to blame Ukraine for insufficient VA funding.
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Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and Trump. Which of these guys did not send any money overseas to support foreign military excursions? Which of these guys expressed such a sentiment?
What particular American problem(s) went unattended to because we sent money to a foreign military?
Deflection duly noted.

Again, let's apply this to your own family: Do you take care of your own families problems first, or do you help your neighbor first? If your daughter needs braces, do you get her braces, or do you first send money to your neighbor to help her pay for braces for her daughter?

You take care of your family's problems first. Yet when it comes to America, why don't you have the same mentality?
 
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Does America not borrow money from China; or have we stopped doing so. I don't know. I remember the 80s mantra that China was our largest creditor.
I didn't ask about borrowing. The United States is the most generous country on the planet.

I asked, why don't other countries help us with our problems?

When we have a natural disaster, where is the relief aid from other nations? When we have problems to deal with, where are the other countries helping us?
 
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I didn't ask about borrowing. The United States is the most generous country on the planet.

I asked, why don't other countries help us with our problems?

When we have a natural disaster, where is the relief aid from other nations? When we have problems to deal with, where are the other countries helping us?
NATO can't even tie their shoelaces, much less do shit. Uncle Sam has been their sugar daddy for WAYYYYYYYYYYY too long. :mad:
 
I didn't ask about borrowing. The United States is the most generous country on the planet.

I asked, why don't other countries help us with our problems?

When we have a natural disaster, where is the relief aid from other nations? When we have problems to deal with, where are the other countries helping us?
All parties seek to leverage, take or enjoy free rider benefits from Americas wealth
 
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So, we stop supporting foreign nations' military excursions.
Ukraine is not our ally.

Are we also closing every overseas military base, and then bringing every soldier home?
Why would we do that?


Will there be enough jobs available for all of them?

See above.
Are we then just going to sit back and allow for a winner take all approach to the Middle East?
Why the hell not, that's what happened anyways.

What happens if they all decide to partner up and bring the fight to America? Just random thoughts...
LOL. With what?
 
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Ukraine is not our ally.


Why would we do that?




See above.

Why the hell not, that's what happened anyways.


LOL. With what?
America (the USA)'s biggest enemy is the enemy within. Most of us call them Democrats. Never has a political party been so anti-American. We can crush invasions right and left from outsiders, but we have seen the enemy and it's the woke Trojan Horse- D. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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If we don’t help them defend themselves, Ukraine won’t exist on a map. Russia will just retake Eastern Europe back to the Curzon Line.
So? That's the original Russia, since 1300.

Dealing with a reconstituted Russian Empire would be far more costly than what Ukraine is costing us today.
Why? Right now their excuse is their original borders. What excuse would they have to enter western Europe? The last time they had Hitler to cover their shenanigans.

And there no reason to blame Ukraine for insufficient VA funding.
Why not, money not spent on Ukraine could be spent on the VA or any number of other more worthy endeavors.
 
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If we don’t help them defend themselves, Ukraine won’t exist on a map. Russia will just retake Eastern Europe back to the Curzon Line. Dealing with a reconstituted Russian Empire would be far more costly than what Ukraine is costing us today.

And there no reason to blame Ukraine for insufficient VA funding.
Let me ask you a question.

If Texas seceded, and Russia began funding Biolabs in Texas (considering we just came out of a Pandemic). And Russia and it’s allies were discussing expansion into Texas. And it was found out that Russia had been funding experimental work in other labs that lead to said Pandemic, do you think the US would just be like….No worries, we all good here Texas/Russia. Or, do you think the warmongering elected officials would try to take Texas back?

Lastly, as a veteran, you’re damn right I am pissed that we are spending Billions in Ukraine while our VA is completely broken.
 
Let me ask you a question.

If Texas seceded, and Russia began funding Biolabs in Texas (considering we just came out of a Pandemic). And Russia and it’s allies were discussing expansion into Texas. And it was found out that Russia had been funding experimental work in other labs that lead to said Pandemic, do you think the US would just be like….No worries, we all good here Texas/Russia. Or, do you think the warmongering elected officials would try to take Texas back?

Lastly, as a veteran, you’re damn right I am pissed that we are spending Billions in Ukraine while our VA is completely broken.
This topic would be open and shut if people used logic. Instead, too many people do what's best for their politics instead of their country.

Want to help other countries? Let's solve all our problems first. Or at least enough of the major ones so that it makes sense to divert our precious resources to other countries. And when we do, let's give to countries who have aided us as well.

This idea of throwing blank checks at other nations that never lift a fingernail to help the US doesn't help the citizens there or here. It hurts both countries and enriches the politicians running both countries.
 
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