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With NSD closing in, Spring Game / Practice moves up...

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So I might as well get in the first swing.... ;)

"Heck, I could use Clarabell to play QB." -- Mc-joking upon his arrival at UF. :D

What is the overall health of the QB position going into 2017 Spring practice?
"That's something we've got to do. We've got to make sure it happens sooner than later," McElwain recently said, of stabilizing the position. "That's my responsibility, and it will get done." (I sure hope so - iG) o_O

Franks - Tall - Very Good HS QB Rating - Strong Arm - Average Accuracy - Tall (6-6 220 4.75/40)
4 Yrs - 56.9%, 87 TD's, 17 Ints. -- 2016 Spring game - 1 TD, 3 Ints.
Those who favor Feleipe' as the 2017 starter can give us the more 'in-depth' on him. I'd be interested to read what they think are his best characteristics, as UF's possible 2017 starter.


Trask - Strong Arm - Great Accuracy - Good Decisions - Physically imposing (6-4 230 4.6/40)
Mechanics - Footwork - Pocket Presents - Fakes and Look-offs - Makes ALL of the Throws.
He has never thrown a single interception, either in HS (17 TD's, 0 Int) or in UF's 2016 Spring game.
Not being his HS's starting QB is mostly irrelevant at this point, imoho. :cool:
What he actually does whenever he's on the field is what counts in my book.
HS Career
- 110 of 161, 73.3%, 1,820 yds, 16.5 yds/comp, 17 TD's, 0 Ints.

And while he's NOT a 'running' QB, he's bigger and faster than Tebow, and he'll pull it down and take off when that's necessary. He's also very strong and mobile when the pocket collapses, but he's always still looking to throw it. Sr/HS Rushing - 18 for 49 yds, 4.5 ypc, 1 TD, L-20 yds.

"Kyle is a guy that when you tell him it one time, he gets it right now," Nussmeier said. "He can process information very, very well, his accuracy is unbelievable and he's just done a really, really good job for a guy that doesn't have a ton of snaps. When you put him in situations, he reacts very, very well." (he comes in as a 4.0 student & an Eagle Scout)

This young man is not my nephew and I've never even met him. I'm going strictly on what I see with my own eyes when I watch his HS film, and what I saw live in the 2016 Spring game. I'll freely admit that I like him as a Gator QB. Most QB's have to wind up and step into the kinds of throws that Kyle can make off his back foot with a flick of his wrist. http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/kyle-trask/nDygK_TtEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/default.htm

Still, I'm all for giving all of the available QB's a 'fair/even' shot at winning the starting job. As a long time Gator fan, I'm always for whomever can best get the job done at QB.

Ath/QB Toney - 6-0 185 - He will get a 'look' but is not likely to play QB at UF, unless it's some at 'wildcat.' I look for him to be a star player as a Gator, and to likely go on to the NFL, just not as a QB. He's an EE -- But if he can legitimately beat out both Franks and Trask, then we'll have one hellova QB in 2017! But guess what else? IF HE CAN, then I'm on board and I'd be ALL IN for Toney.

Allen - B-2-B-2-B Florida 7A State Champion
Good size 6-3 210 - We'll all see what is, in Fall practice.
IMO, he's very likely to get a redshirt for 2017, but you never know...
 
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Nuss comments make me think Franks is still struggling upstairs in practice.

His mechanics are/were awful. That needs to be addressed as much as the mental piece unless it(mechanics) has already been corrected. The raw ability is there, but lots of molding needs to be done.
 
His mechanics are/were awful. That needs to be addressed as much as the mental piece unless it(mechanics) has already been corrected. The raw ability is there, but lots of molding needs to be done.

Sounds like tebow and he was pretty good. Mechanics dont have to be perfect in college.
 
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Where are y'all seeing comments from the coaches on the QBs?

I just saw Nuss give a long interview before the bowl game and he said Franks is coming along well but he said Trask is one of those kids that picks up things quickly but nothing like that about Franks. It just gives me the feeling Franks is having a hard time mentally still no matter if they fed the media BS about him being the 3rd QB then. Also a writer got to see practice one day and was asked about Franks and said he just saw him throw one pass and it was intercepted. That would make it 6 interceptions on 20 known pass attempts since he left his high school.

If Franks doesn't get that corrected he will be able to out Driskel Driskel himself.
 
Which is ironic given that Nuss is struggling upstairs during the actual games.

Franks: Breaks huddle with 12 men, calls wrong guys into motion, fumbles the snap, turns the wrong way on the handoff, spikes himself to the ground, weeping.

Nuss: (thinking to himself): I like the cut of this kid's jib.
 
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Franks: Breaks huddle with 12 men, calls wrong guys into motion, fumbles the snap, turns the wrong way on the handoff, spikes himself to the ground, weeping.

Nuss: (thinking to himself): I like the cut of this kid's jib.

LOL
 
Malik Zaire will start fir UF next year.
Allen will never start at UF

Good ole crystal balls is at it again. (prolly firing more 'see-through' glass blanks) :D
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My clearer vision is that Malik Davis (not neutered Zaire) will play some, and Allen will likely need to redshirt and wait his turn, or eventually xfer away if that's what he ends up wanting to do? But it's way to early to even guess which way Allen will go. Personally, I think that Allen has more potential than Grier, and without Grier's many problems... :cool:

If Mc-Nuss even wastes a ship by bringing in Zaire, THEN I'm running my long used bandwagon right off into the nearest water-filled clay pit or sand mine.... :mad:
 
3 star RB Malik Davis Sr Season stats at Tampa Jesuit.
(Natl. Champ Dabo-Clemson has failed to filp him from incompetent recruiter Mc) :p
(Just like NC Saban-Bama failed to flip 3 star Perine from incompetent Mc in 16) :cool:

Some sites have very recently given Malik a 'post season' 4th star, but I wonder why?
It obviously can't be from their own evaluations while watching him play, otherwise he'd have already had that 4th star... o_O

2,469 rushing yards
190 yards per game
33 rushing TD's
35 20+ yard carries :eek:
His longest TD run, 91 yards.
He is now Hillsborough Co's (Tampa Bay area) All Time leading Career Rushing Yards leader.

Tennis-sea got a 2-3 star RB out of Bartow, FL.
They added Tim to the other 2 RB's in their 2017 class.
Ty Chandler 5-11 194 **** - Nashville TN
Trey Coleman 6-1 201 *** - W.Monroe, LA
Tim Jordan 6-0 185 ** - Bartow, FL

Would anyone here be willing to trade them 3 star Malik Davis for any of their 3?

And to tell the truth, I wouldn't trade Malik Davis for Adarius Lemons, but I guess I would take Lemons also, IF he gets his ACT qualifying score. Him keeping his 'off the field' chit together looks to be a bit of a 'roll of the dice' to me. Malik is a Top Quality Student/Athlete, while Lemons is just a pretty good RB with a good bit of 'off & on' baggage to deal with. IF Adarius can get and keep his chit-together, he could eventually become a quality Gator student/athlete, but that remains to be seen. The negatives on taking a chance on Lemons are lessened by Mc-staff's recruited quality and depth at RB.
 
Did malik zaire go to gators?

He didn't find a team yet and will sit out football next semester it looks like. I guess he didn't find a good fit. We couldn't take him without a waiver but I am glad he didn't come here as he would probably only be effective in something like Malzahn has ran.
 
GP 15 - 21 of 35, 60% for 266 yds, 7.6 yds/att, 6 TD's, 0 Ints, 6 sacks, L-66 yds.
Rushing - 72 for 324 yds, 4.5 ypc, 2 TD's

And that was against the chumps that the neutered lame play, not SEC defenses.

If he wants to play, he should go to a S.Ala or to some lower tier ACC team maybe...
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I'll give you a prediction now. Zaire won't be given a ship to UF.
And IF he was to decide to walk on here, he'll end up as the scout team QB at best. I'm hoping that Mc-Nuss don't feel the need to give that chump neutered lame backup a free meal ticket to attend UF.

I'm betting that after the Spring game, nobody else (except mabye for short-bus michi) will even want him for the scout team....

It's going to be Trask and/or Franks at 1-2 QB, with Allen or long-shot Toney at the #3 spot. I think that Toney and maybe Malik Davis will get a shot as kick returners in 17.

This Spring is going to be VERY interesting for me to watch, I can hardly wait! :cool:
 
Sounds like tebow and he was pretty good. Mechanics dont have to be perfect in college.

Except when Meyer has Tebow running the zone read first and passing to keep teams honest versus Mac having his qb dropping back to pass and when they do run it is a handoff to the the rb as the primary option. Appleby, LDR, etc were not running a zone read. Treon was more of a running qb and he did not last under Mac. Bad mechanics leading to inconsistent accuracy is not going to cut it in Mac's offense.
 
Except when Meyer has Tebow running the zone read first and passing to keep teams honest versus Mac having his qb dropping back to pass and when they do run it is a handoff to the the rb as the primary option. Appleby, LDR, etc were not running a zone read. Treon was more of a running qb and he did not last under Mac. Bad mechanics leading to inconsistent accuracy is not going to cut it in Mac's offense.

Mac has an offense???
 
Trust the coaches, or go with 247 Sports recruit rankings? You make the call.... o_O

247 Sports Star Ranking -- Stats from MaxPreps

QB-PP Hunter Johnson 6-2 201 ***** - Brownsburg, IN - Clemson
3 Yrs - 462 of 860, 53.7% for 6,214 yds, 66 TD, 32 Int (2.06 to 1 ratio)
Sr - 166 of 318 for 2,233 yds, 25 TD, 12 Int (2.08 to 1) <<< :oops:

QB-PP Jake Allen 6-3 203 *** - Ft.Lauderdale, FL - UF
3 Yrs - 350 of 583, 60.0%, for 4,753 yds, 51 TD, 20 Int, (2.55 to 1 ratio)
Sr - 157 of 258 for 2,311 yds, 27 TD's, 7 Ints. (3.86 to 1) <<<<< :)
3x Florida 7A State Champ for STA HS.

~ As a Sr, 3 star Jake had more yards on less attempts, more TD's, and almost half of the Ints that supposedly 5 star Hunter had.... :cool:
 
Trust the coaches, or go with 247 Sports recruit rankings? You make the call.... o_O

247 Sports Star Ranking -- Stats from MaxPreps

QB-PP Hunter Johnson 6-2 201 ***** - Brownsburg, IN - Clemson
3 Yrs - 462 of 860, 53.7% for 6,214 yds, 66 TD, 32 Int (2.06 to 1 ratio)
Sr - 166 of 318 for 2,233 yds, 25 TD, 12 Int (2.08 to 1) <<< :oops:

QB-PP Jake Allen 6-3 203 *** - Ft.Lauderdale, FL - UF
3 Yrs - 350 of 583, 60.0%, for 4,753 yds, 51 TD, 20 Int, (2.55 to 1 ratio)
Sr - 157 of 258 for 2,311 yds, 27 TD's, 7 Ints. (3.86 to 1) <<<<< :)
3x Florida 7A State Champ for STA HS.

~ As a Sr, 3 star Jake had more yards on less attempts, more TD's, and almost half of the Ints that supposedly 5 star Hunter had.... :cool:

So you are saying Mac has produced an offense at Florida?

Or you are going strawman and trying to prop up Jake Allen who I have not seen one expert say looks to be headed towards a great college career? And you are basing it off stats but not accounting that he play on the most talent folled HS team in america?

You are just flat out non-sensical
 
Mac has an offense???

Sure does. Although, some may not call it a prolific offense, at this point. I will reserve full judgment for two more season, max. This will give him time to develop a seasoned OL, QB to go along with an increasing better rb and wr corps. Certainly the results are not there at this point, but Muschamp did him few favors on that side of the ball. If Franks is the answer then he needs to get the mechanics squared away and needs to build his mental processing of the game.
 
Sure does. Although, some may not call it a prolific offense, at this point. I will reserve full judgment for two more season, max. This will give him time to develop a seasoned OL, QB to go along with an increasing better rb and wr corps. Certainly the results are not there at this point, but Muschamp did him few favors on that side of the ball. If Franks is the answer then he needs to get the mechanics squared away and needs to build his mental processing of the game.

If Franks or Trask aren't the answer and ready to roll immediately, you won't need to worry about Mac anymore
 
So you are saying Mac has produced an offense at Florida?

Or you are going strawman and trying to prop up Jake Allen who I have not seen one expert say looks to be headed towards a great college career? And you are basing it off stats but not accounting that he play on the most talent folled HS team in america?

You are just flat out non-sensical

Considering the hole on offense that Mc was left with, I reserve judgment on his overall offensive potential. I do know that he did well at Bama and at ColoSt. I also know that he's 20-8 with B-2-B SECe-C's, even with the cluster offense that the musclecramp left him with.

As far as Jake Allen and Hunter Johnson go, I watched all of their HUDI film and made MY OWN judgments on what I saw. The stats just confirmed it for me. o_O

Is your own strawman that Hunter played for a chitty team with no talent?
I already know that he didn't compete at the level of competition that exists in 7A South Florida HS football... o_O

BTW, those same 'x-spurts' that you rely on said that Perine was only a 3 star, before Saban tried and failed to flip him away from Mc last year.
Just like they said that Malik Davis was only a 3 star, before Dabo tried and failed to flip him away from Mc this year. :cool:

Now they all agree that both of those Gator RB's are solid 4 stars... :rolleyes:
By the time that they both leave UF, they may even say that they should have been 5 stars, we'll just have to wait and see on that... ;)
 
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