You can take Georgia in OT but can't handle UT???? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over.
What the Hell, SCAR??????
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This is all on Muschamp. He was still complaining about the officiating late in the week, saying his players have lost confidence in SEC officials. When the head coach is still looking backwards, how can he expect his players to focus on the upcoming game? He's a whining loser.
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It's all good. We need UT and FSU to make minor bowls. We need those coaches to stick around for a few more years. Let the irrelevancy become irreversible.
Barring the hire of an Urban Meyer type coach and staff, I don't see Tennessee ever coming back. They've become irrelevant.
I considered the thought that UT might already be permanently irrelevant. And you are right, they likely are.
But I really want FSU to join them there.
I'd settle for ten years or so of football purgatory, followed by a renewal of the rivalry.
We won’t. Too many recruits in this state and we still have a name brand. Your best bet is for us to pull off what you did with two dud hires. We are one in and may be stuck for another year or two after this season. You need us to have another crap hire and hope Mullen keeps the momentum. All very possible.
I just want UF to be the first choice for in state recruits. If Mullen starts getting the cream out of Florida we are going to be crazy good.
I'm not so concerned about UT than I am FSU. I have all the confidence in the world that when Mr. Potatohead gets fired at Tennessee in a year or two, they will somehow manage to surprise me, YET AGAIN, and actually hire someone worse. As they have done each and every time since they fired Phil Fulmer.
The most hilarious part of all of that train wreck is the weekly comments from everyone about how "they're improving" Yeah it doesn't take years to "improve". Dan Mullen came in here and in game 1 of his tenure, the team was completely different than what the previous coach left behind. We had far less talent than UT, and won twice as many games as them in 2018. Potatohead is actually LOWERING the talent level at UT by driving off all of the seniors and juniors from the previous coach by insulting them daily to the public, and not recruiting as well as Butch Jones had done. But of course UT fans all keep talking the party line about "improving the talent on the roster", as if they didn't have the 2nd most loaded roster in the SEC East in 2018 as it was.
When they can't make it to a bowl game in 2020 either, that's when the smarter ones in that state will finally start to realize that yet again they fired their coach and hired someone worse and the support for Pruitt will start evaporating very fast.
I'm not so concerned about UT than I am FSU. I have all the confidence in the world that when Mr. Potatohead gets fired at Tennessee in a year or two, they will somehow manage to surprise me, YET AGAIN, and actually hire someone worse. As they have done each and every time since they fired Phil Fulmer.
The most hilarious part of all of that train wreck is the weekly comments from everyone about how "they're improving" Yeah it doesn't take years to "improve". Dan Mullen came in here and in game 1 of his tenure, the team was completely different than what the previous coach left behind. We had far less talent than UT, and won twice as many games as them in 2018. Potatohead is actually LOWERING the talent level at UT by driving off all of the seniors and juniors from the previous coach by insulting them daily to the public, and not recruiting as well as Butch Jones had done. But of course UT fans all keep talking the party line about "improving the talent on the roster", as if they didn't have the 2nd most loaded roster in the SEC East in 2018 as it was.
When they can't make it to a bowl game in 2020 either, that's when the smarter ones in that state will finally start to realize that yet again they fired their coach and hired someone worse and the support for Pruitt will start evaporating very fast.
Problem for vols is they have to recruit nationally to compete as the state of tennessee doesn't produce enough talent. Fsu has tons of talent inside the state. Sc is, well Sc regardless of coach.
Are you suggesting the talent level that Mullen inherited is less than the talent level that Pruitt inherited? You don't really believe that do you?
You realize you can look these things up right? It’s not really about feelings and a belief when recruiting data and composites of rosters is just a few key strokes away. Oozie showed you how stacked UGA’s roster was that Kirby inherited. You could do the same here instead of trying to invoke feelings.
With Mullen Florida hasn’t had a close game with UT yet. They haven’t even been close games.
They'll be good for a spoiler game or two each season, like UK & VU are, and fighting to see who among those 3 is going to be the bottom team in the SECe each year...
Tennis-sea is a border state to 7 other states, the most in the nation. They can be in any of those 7 other states quicker than a UF coach can get to S.FL or to Pensacola.
And in case, every SEC school recruits nation wide....
And they have to compete with those in state schools. Fsu can get 70% of it's talent from in state and win titles. Vols don't have that luxury.Tennis-sea is a border state to 7 other states, the most in the nation. They can be in any of those 7 other states quicker than a UF coach can get to S.FL or to Pensacola.
And in case, every SEC school recruits nation wide....
Maybe you should do some research before making claims dude...
FSU's last 3 classes....
2019
FSU - 22 Total - 14 FL 53.6%, 8 OoS 36.4%
2018
FSU - 21 Total - 9 FL 42.9% , 12 OoS 57.1%
2017
FSU - 23 Total - 12 FL 52.2%, 11 OoS 47.8%
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And while I agree that Tn does have to recruit OoS, (like we all do), their current 2020 verbals are 16 Total - 8 TN 50%, 8 OoS 50%...
UF's current 2020 verbals - 19 Total - 13 FL 68.4%, 6 OoS 31,6/%
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I guess we were talking about two different things. I thought you were referring to what each coach inherited...
I’d say they inherited similar talent. Probably a slight advantage to UF but not by much.
Mullen and Kirby inherited similiar talent. What Pruitt inherited was a dumpster fire! That being said, he is a dumpster-fire coach so it fits!
If we are going to go based on national recruiting rankings, then yes by god I do mean just that. The recruiting classes that ol' Butterteeth brought in at UF were pathetic. He had a handful of good players that Dan Mullen inherited, but nowhere near the talent and especially the DEPTH of said talent that we are used to. The man didn't recruit a single 5* athlete in his 3 years here and really didn't put much of an effort into that task to begin with. Contrast that with Butch Davis who averaged the 14th ranked recruiting class across his 5 years at Tennessee. He handed Pruitt a roster that was fully loaded and built to succeed right out of the gate. I don't GIAS what any idiot Vol fans say about the lack of talent or what Pruitt lies to everyone about how he was going to raise the talent level at Tennessee. So far his recruiting classes have ranked 19th in the country his first 2 years. That's 5 spots lower than Butch Jones so Pruitt is actually LOWERING the talent that Tennessee has, not to mention how many senior players quit the team due to his hateful rhetoric aimed towards them.
Now I say all of this with a grain of salt that we all of course know that recruiting rankings aren't precise or totally accurate. Taking them in for the entire class, and then averaging those classes over a coach's tenure however, gives us a VERY good indicator of just how good that coach is pulling in the talent or failing to. Every team suffers that 4 or 5* player who never pans out, or has the 3* player that goes in the first or second round of the draft, we're not talking that here, we are talking the averages, and those do not lie. Pruitt inherited the second most talented football roster in the SEC East behind Georgia when he took over that program. That is a FACT no matter how badly the Vols don't want to hear it.
Exactly. Go back and look at the numbers and you will see just how much more talent Tennessee had than Florida did when Pruitt and Mullen were hired. It is quite astonishing that we were winning any games in butterteeth's last year.
Don't forget that who else does Tennessee have to share in state talent with? Vanderbilt. Memphis perhaps. Florida is fighting against Miami, FSU, UCF, FAU, FIU, ECW, WWE, FAMU, and god knows how many other in state schools before you even get to the fact that we have all the top programs across the country trying to cherry pick our best talent and take it out of state.Tennis-sea is a border state to 7 other states, the most in the nation. They can be in any of those 7 other states quicker than a UF coach can get to S.FL or to Pensacola.
And in case, every SEC school recruits nation wide....
The reality of Tennessee's demise though cannot be understated for the fact that Mark Richt pretty much shut down Georgia as a recruiting bed for UT which was where Phil Fulmer used to get the best of his players from. As you saw Georgia slowly rising with Richt over his tenure, you easily map that against Tennessee's fall and it is directly correlated to how many georgia players were heading to play for the Vols before and after the Mark Richt hire.
As somebody already told you you know you can look these things up right?
In 2017 (the roster Mullen inherited before adding his transition class) UF's talent composite was 17th, Tennessee was 12th. So yes, Mullen inherited a worse roster.
2018 talent composite:
Tennessee- 15th
Florida- 12th
But Tennessee had the highest average.
2019 talent composite:
Tennessee- 16th
Florida- 15th
Basically identical. So if you think Pruitt inherited a mess so did Mullen. Tennessee actually had multiple 5-stars on their roster while UF has/had none. Can't wait to see how you dance around this one.
Mullen inherited a mess with unbalanced positions on the roster.
It’s actually pretty remarkable what he has done so far. It’s more than just the talent level but he has had to completely change the culture/mindset which he has just about done overnight.
