Was it was a home game and our QB is acting like he saw a ghost. Maybe it gets corrected but even in that GA beatdown AR never had body language like that. I guess we will find out the real deal in the Tenn game.
What bothers me most about this game..
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I suppose what concerns me more than AR's fragile game mentality is the coaching decisions.
A UK fan on here was even scratching his head over going for it on 4th down and 5 minutes left...esentially possibly putting the game on the line at that point in a 1 score game.
I also had hoped for a coach who said he wanted to be run-focused that there would be more creativity in the run game.
I mean, I'm not hating on him and I'm not saying fire him or anything.....but I'm just not crazy about some game day decisions.
He's gonna be here longer than AR15.
A UK fan on here was even scratching his head over going for it on 4th down and 5 minutes left...esentially possibly putting the game on the line at that point in a 1 score game.
I also had hoped for a coach who said he wanted to be run-focused that there would be more creativity in the run game.
I mean, I'm not hating on him and I'm not saying fire him or anything.....but I'm just not crazy about some game day decisions.
He's gonna be here longer than AR15.
This mess may get really interesting when the Tenn game gets here. A replay of that mess and you have to try Miller I guess. If the coach can't correct that we would literally have another QB they were touting to be a high pick become a bust.
That 4th down was a ballsy call. UK didn’t make him the first time but they did the second time when he pretty much had no choice but to go for it.
To succeed in the SEC you have to have a pocket passing QB first and then one that can run second. We have it backwards. Look at the 2 top teams in the SEC and the QB situations. Pass first then run.
If AR doesnt improve over time....and it would take time.....what we have is a poor version of Felipe Franks.
In 3 hours we went from thinking AR might be a 1st round pick to now wondering if he is more limited than Jones.
I remember with Jones going back and looking at his prior playing time and saying he never really showed he had it as a passer when things weren't easy. Hoping Richardson shows that isn't him.
I remember with Jones going back and looking at his prior playing time and saying he never really showed he had it as a passer when things weren't easy. Hoping Richardson shows that isn't him.
So, yes or no......did he play like a poor Felipe Franks tonight?
I clearly never said he would always be as such, but that rather he needed to improve. Let's not forget he was a turnover machine last year with a 6/5 (td/int) and 59 percent passing.
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This was awesome though and could have used some of this tonight. I hope we dont need this in 2 weeks.
And that's an example of why, unless he improves, AR15 is a poor version of that. Felipe had his turnovers as well, but could be clutch when it mattered most.
Does anybody really think that AR15 could have that mentality and throw right now?
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Unbelievable if we have this situation again. All these years and only have Trask knowing what he is doing. I hope Napier can figure out something.
Something that does concern me is that AR is 21 years old and in his 3rd year at UF. Everybody keeps talking about his lack of experience, but think about how many freshmen QB's, redshirt or true, have had and continue to have immediate success at the D1 level. Sometimes, in spite of "all the talent in the world" some guys have what it takes to consistently win at this level and some don't. Consider the following examples of freshmen who had major success - C. J Stroud, J. T Barrett, Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Jake Fromm, Kerwin Bell, Terrelle Pryor, Robert Griffin III, Johnny Manziel, Jameis Winston, Matt Barkley, Caleb Williams, etc. The jury is still out on AR, but it does make me wonder.
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The jury is still definitely out, S FL probably won't tell us anything but I think after the Tenn game we will be able to say whether he has something or not and we will see if he does whether we win or lose most likely. I think Tenn will score enough to make AR have to produce to give us a chance in that game. If we see shaky little short passes like that in crunch time again with no poise I think it could turn into Miller time even though he looked to have issues himself in that spring game.
Great points and examples. It's too early too tell on AR.....but I don't think you have to have a lot of college football experiance to know what's a bad pass to throw.
The need for a qb with good game management is always going to be better than a player that can dazzle you. Alabama and UGA know this much.
Is Bennett a top 20 qb in talent? Not likely. However he manages the game well and his stats benefit from it.
All the talent in the world, even demonstrated on the field, can be offset by two, or even one, mental blunder.
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Fever,
I was thinking more of a Deer in the Headlights.
Tebow,
Agree !
Richardson has enormous physical talent - but little game experience & lacks the mental tools to be a good SEC type QB.
Great arm strength; but doesn't understands the art of being a passing QB as yet
Napier & Richardson both took a huge step backwards in this game - but all you have to do is look at Jimbo & Appy State to. realize that we are not alone.
Though Richardson said the right things all week, I'm sure that the stupid write ups by media talking heads - Heisman; 1st Rounder, ready to jump to NFL after this year, etc - had an enormous (negative) influence on him.
And then he ran into a brick wall - an experienced SEC HC & former DC who had time to game plan for his one dimensional skill set & the ability to make significant half time adjustments.
In time, I am hopeful that Billy will grow into being an SEC level Head Coach; not so sure about Richardson as a QB.
Maybe we should do him a favor & move him to TE now - like Franks - & let him get a jump start on his NFL career.
Absolutely he can. The Felipe comparison isn’t completely wrong bc his big problem was confidence. He would make the right read, hesitate just a moment and then throw too late. AR makes the right read most of the time and tonight early on he just wasn’t accurate. Instead of settling down and trusting himself he started to push and that’s when the wheels come off. I think the accuracy will be fixable, but composure is what he needs and hopefully that comes with time and experience. I also wonder if he was banged up since he wasn’t trying to run. Even if they put a spy on him you have to have that threat or they can just load the box and dare him to throw. I do think if he had not had that fluke pick it would have been different. He seemed to get in his own head after that. We’ll see how mentallly tough he is next week.
AR isn't making reads except on what the play calls for initially and then he is only throwing to the primary target of the plays called. In these first 2 games at least.
Not from what I saw in the Utah game and at least the first half of the last one. By the end of the game last night they weren’t giving him more than a couple reads, but he was going to the right place most of the time
I posted the highlight videos of the 2 games which had most of his passes on there. Show me where AR ever goes to a 2nd read and completes a pass (or even throws it incomplete) in either the Utah or KY game. A few pass attempts may not be on there but the most you are getting out of AR those first 2 games is him looking down the middle of the field a few times before he locks on his primary read. All I could find was him on the 2 point play not hitting the RB because he had to juke someone and then found Fraziers wide open in the end zone.
Yeah, I’m not going to break down the game film. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
No problem. But I would actually feel better going forward if someone showed me him doing that a few times. Even when looking at Jones plays last season he would find a second read option here and there despite loving to lock on to his primary option also. I never remember looking at ARs stuff last season after the actual games so I am not sure if he had the same tendencies as he seems to have now.
Cam eventually learned how to pass. We all forget that he went to JC for a year and got a dozen starts under his belt before coming back to Auburn (yes at a lower level but still game experience). We also forget that he looked fairly awful in the O&B games when he was here. For some guys the maturing process takes a bit longer. Let's see what we have in AR after waiting half a season, at least.
I’ll say this… even if it’s not the second read it’s usually the right read. He’s throwing to the right guy much of the time. It’s clear he’s not seeing the whole field yet, and it’s clear his accuracy isn’t there. I think they’ve kept things pretty simple for him and plays are there. He just missed on a few throws. I kind of feel like his accuracy can get better, and the fact that he usually makes the right read is a good sign. The biggest worry I have is him compounding mistakes. If things are going great then he compounds the great plays. What I want to see is how he overcomes adversity when he specifically makes a bad play. You have to be able to shake that off. Trask made generally 1-2 awful plays a game. But he’d let it go and get back on track. The same thing happened against uga last year. He makes a bad play and wants to make up for it so badly that he starts to press. You’ve got to love the fight and will to win, but you have to get him to call down and go out and play the game. I think he has all the tools to be as good as we’ve seen him be consistently. Remember this is only his third start. I do think this will show exactly how good a coach Napier is. Hopefully he knows how to fix those issues. I expected some growing pains this year, and young QBs have bad games all the time. I think the kid is a fighter and he’ll use this game to grow. And as much as it sucks to lose to Kentucky, we’ve bounced back and had decent seasons before afterward… well, one decent season. But it’s possible. Regardless, we’ll take our lumps because the future does look good.
I hope Napier can work with him and get it corrected. I just know in SEC games the ability to move on from your covered initial option goes a long way as defenses can make things really difficult if you struggle with that. Some of the issue was also unlike the Utah game he was making poor throws to open receivers. I really hope he becomes something special but with him being a 3rd year guy I think he will show it soon if it's going to happen. Tenn will be huge for him beyond the W or L. A decent passing game dealing with some adversity is even more important for him than us getting a W because we were better in the rest of the stuff.
One thing they have in common is they both try to knock the receiver down with the ball. No touch. 5yd passes at 90mph.
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