Univ of Louisville study finds that masks didn't slow the spread of hoax flu

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Study: Mask Mandates Didn't Help Slow Spread of COVID-19

Mask use was associated with slowed COVID-19 spread, but only during periods of low case growth. A new study suggests state mask mandates didn't help slow

reason.com

"However, the study does add to evidence that mandating mask use may have made little difference. "Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates," they found."

Again, we saw this same thing on this very board when Alabama started a mask mandate last July. I updated the daily case and death numbers each day.

2 weeks into the mandate, cases and deaths were UP. A month into it, cases and deaths were UP.

@G8trDad3 @Nolec @kalimgoodman all hoodwinked.

Again.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Study: Mask Mandates Didn't Help Slow Spread of COVID-19

Mask use was associated with slowed COVID-19 spread, but only during periods of low case growth. A new study suggests state mask mandates didn't help slow

reason.com

"However, the study does add to evidence that mandating mask use may have made little difference. "Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates," they found."

Again, we saw this same thing on this very board when Alabama started a mask mandate last July. I updated the daily case and death numbers each day.

2 weeks into the mandate, cases and deaths were UP. A month into it, cases and deaths were UP.

@G8trDad3 @Nolec @kalimgoodman all hoodwinked.

Again.

Incoming @G8trDad3 to refute this WHO flip flops in 3... 2... 1...

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

BTW I see the troll is in another thread trying to spin that Google doesn't alter search results.

I went to google and searched for 'study finds masks don't slow spread of covid', and you can see the results for yourself:

study finds masks don't slow spread of covid - Google Search

www.google.com

The results placed the U of L study as the 11th result. So it shows up on the SECOND PAGE of results. And since almost no one clicks past the first page, it's effectively invisible. Even though with the specific term I searched for, it should have been within the first 2-3 results.

 

[BamaFan1137]

BTW I see the troll is in another thread trying to spin that Google doesn't alter search results.

I went to google and searched for 'study finds masks don't slow spread of covid', and you can see the results for yourself:

study finds masks don't slow spread of covid - Google Search

www.google.com

The results placed the U of L study as the 11th result. So it shows up on the SECOND PAGE of results. And since almost no one clicks past the first page, it's effectively invisible. Even though with the specific term I searched for, it should have been within the first 2-3 results.

Great example of what I was referring to.

Alas BSC won't be moved.

 

[nail1988]

Study: Mask Mandates Didn't Help Slow Spread of COVID-19

Mask use was associated with slowed COVID-19 spread, but only during periods of low case growth. A new study suggests state mask mandates didn't help slow

reason.com

"However, the study does add to evidence that mandating mask use may have made little difference. "Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates," they found."

Again, we saw this same thing on this very board when Alabama started a mask mandate last July. I updated the daily case and death numbers each day.

2 weeks into the mandate, cases and deaths were UP. A month into it, cases and deaths were UP.

@G8trDad3 @Nolec @kalimgoodman all hoodwinked.

Again.

Not a peep from the face diaper nazis?

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I think masks helped, at the margin. N95 masks are the ones that are truly effective. Cloth masks are debated as noted above. Again, I think they generally helped, but how much...? The answer there is that in January, you saw the Biden administration start to double mask with a medical mask underneath and cloth mask. (we did the same) What did this mean? Cloth masks were and are likely not that effective.

On the other hand, one piece of data is that the flu virus was nearly eradicated. Ask any Children's Hospital CFO what the largest impact to their revenue and OI line was and they will tell you that their ERs were empty from not seeing flu patients (and also trauma as fewer sports were being played). Masking played a positive role in that.

Trump could have leveraged masks to his advantage:

- Continuing to drive the Lab Leak theory
- Call Masks as "patriotic" in the US' fight versus China
- Support targeted masking in indoor areas
- Print millions of MAGA2020 and US flag masks, give it out to everyone

Trump is a marketer, at his core (and a very good one). He had 73M+ of face real estate and chose not to use it.

A missed opportunity.

On a personal level, I travel (used to travel) a good deal for my role. Going forward on planes, I will continue to mask and even double mask. My wife and family will do the same, but that is a personal choice. I would hope that others would do the same - if they are sick and still decide to travel.

Now, with Pelosi continuing to mandate masks in the House Chamber, that is her mistake and is decidedly anti-science. The Vaccines work - phenomenally well. 90% of the chamber is vaccinated and the others have had the virus. Even if someone does not want to Vaccinate because it's under EUA, then that is their decision. They can choose to get vaccinated, they can choose to wear a mask or they can choose to have their primary physician on speed dial to get a Monoclonal Anti-body treatment should they be part of the 1-2% of cases that become severe.
Happy Tuesday, all.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

On a personal level, I travel (used to travel) a good deal for my role. Going forward on planes, I will continue to mask and even double mask.

Why not triple mask?

 

[NavigatorII]

Sheep are sheep, they gonna bleat.

 

[G8trDad3]

I think masks helped, at the margin. N95 masks are the ones that are truly effective. Cloth masks are debated as noted above. Again, I think they generally helped, but how much...? The answer there is that in January, you saw the Biden administration start to double mask with a medical mask underneath and cloth mask. (we did the same) What did this mean? Cloth masks were and are likely not that effective.

On the other hand, one piece of data is that the flu virus was nearly eradicated. Ask any Children's Hospital CFO what the largest impact to their revenue and OI line was and they will tell you that their ERs were empty from not seeing flu patients (and also trauma as fewer sports were being played). Masking played a positive role in that.

Trump could have leveraged masks to his advantage:

- Continuing to drive the Lab Leak theory
- Call Masks as "patriotic" in the US' fight versus China
- Support targeted masking in indoor areas
- Print millions of MAGA2020 and US flag masks, give it out to everyone

Trump is a marketer, at his core (and a very good one). He had 73M+ of face real estate and chose not to use it.

A missed opportunity.

On a personal level, I travel (used to travel) a good deal for my role. Going forward on planes, I will continue to mask and even double mask. My wife and family will do the same, but that is a personal choice. I would hope that others would do the same - if they are sick and still decide to travel.

Now, with Pelosi continuing to mandate masks in the House Chamber, that is her mistake and is decidedly anti-science. The Vaccines work - phenomenally well. 90% of the chamber is vaccinated and the others have had the virus. Even if someone does not want to Vaccinate because it's under EUA, then that is their decision. They can choose to get vaccinated, they can choose to wear a mask or they can choose to have their primary physician on speed dial to get a Monoclonal Anti-body treatment should they be part of the 1-2% of cases that become severe.
Happy Tuesday, all.

You have hit the nail on the head. We can find studies that bolster our own opinions. Clods will still complain about their rights being infringed having mask mandates. I still contend it was a selfish act to refuse masking. If there was a small chance of protecting someone else with no harm to the wearer it was worth it.
Thankfully due to the success of vaccines many of us are not needing the masks in most situations.

 

[NavigatorII]

You have hit the nail on the head. We can find studies that bolster our own opinions. Clods will still complain about their rights being infringed having mask mandates. I still contend it was a selfish act to refuse masking. If there was a small chance of protecting someone else with no harm to the wearer it was worth it.
Thankfully due to the success of vaccines many of us are not needing the masks in most situations.

I think it's a selfish act for some people to NOT wear masks into eternity. If only we could save one more child from hideous nightmares, it would all be worth it.

 

[G8trDad3]

I think it's a selfish act for some people to NOT wear masks into eternity. If only we could save one more child from hideous nightmares, it would all be worth it.

Lol. For some of us it would be an upgrade.

 

[NavigatorII]

Lol. For some of us it would be an upgrade.

Covid masks definitely mitigated one thing. Butterfaces.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Why not triple mask?

That was a serious question, BTW. If a second mask helps, why not a third? Or a fourth?

At what point does breathing become secondary to your belief that your masks are protecting you from a virus.....that has the same survival rate as the seasonal flu?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You have hit the nail on the head. We can find studies that bolster our own opinions.

And you just unwittingly made the case that masks don't work.

If masks worked, almost all studies would show that.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Study: Mask Mandates Didn't Help Slow Spread of COVID-19

Mask use was associated with slowed COVID-19 spread, but only during periods of low case growth. A new study suggests state mask mandates didn't help slow

reason.com

"However, the study does add to evidence that mandating mask use may have made little difference. "Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates," they found."

Again, we saw this same thing on this very board when Alabama started a mask mandate last July. I updated the daily case and death numbers each day.

2 weeks into the mandate, cases and deaths were UP. A month into it, cases and deaths were UP.

@G8trDad3 @Nolec @kalimgoodman all hoodwinked.

Again.

Dr. Wuhan-flu Fauci would agree with you but recommend that you continue to wear a mask for the rest of time.

 

[fsumc]

Out of respect, if you’re ugly please wear a mask. And if you wear a size L leggings please don’t buy them. Show some respect.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

I think it's a selfish act for some people to NOT wear masks into eternity. If only we could save one more child from hideous nightmares, it would all be worth it.

That Waters Witch looks a lot like Jar Jar Binks.

 

[BillCutting4585]

You have hit the nail on the head. We can find studies that bolster our own opinions. Clods will still complain about their rights being infringed having mask mandates. I still contend it was a selfish act to refuse masking. If there was a small chance of protecting someone else with no harm to the wearer it was worth it.
Thankfully due to the success of vaccines many of us are not needing the masks in most situations.

Theoretical question. A lot of people bring up wearing a mask is caring about others, which I find stupid as most people are inherently selfish. If a lone shooter was going to rob a gas station and he pointed a gun at a stranger, would you stand in front of that person because you care?

Keep in mind that you are not likely to be shot by someone just as dying from covid is minimal.

 

[G8trDad3]

Theoretical question. A lot of people bring up wearing a mask is caring about others, which I find stupid as most people are inherently selfish. If a lone shooter was going to rob a gas station and he pointed a gun at a stranger, would you stand in front of that person because you care?

Keep in mind that you are not likely to be shot by someone just as dying from covid is minimal.

Your question makes no sense (I’m not surprised!) If you ask would I do everything in my power to prevent that gunman from illegally obtaining the gun in order to protect someone else , that is a better comparison.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Your question makes no sense (I’m not surprised!) If you ask would I do everything in my power to prevent that gunman from illegally obtaining the gun in order to protect someone else , that is a better comparison.

How do you know the person owning the gun can’t legally own a gun?

So it’s safe to say that if a person legally owned a gun and decided to rob someone at gun point you’d let it happen? Don’t you think that’s selfish?

 

[G8trDad3]

Lol, I don’t know where you are trying to go with this. We are talking about a virus, not a loaded gun pointed at someone. Different level of risk. No potential harm to me as a mask wearer, large potential benefit to you, the vulnerable non mask wearer.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Lol, I don’t know where you are trying to go with this. We are talking about a virus, not a loaded gun pointed at someone. Different level of risk. No potential harm to me as a mask wearer, large potential benefit to you, the vulnerable non mask wearer.

The point is you live in this fantasy world where you really think people care about each other by wearing a mask.

 

[fatman76]

I think masks helped, at the margin. N95 masks are the ones that are truly effective. Cloth masks are debated as noted above. Again, I think they generally helped, but how much...? The answer there is that in January, you saw the Biden administration start to double mask with a medical mask underneath and cloth mask. (we did the same) What did this mean? Cloth masks were and are likely not that effective.

On the other hand, one piece of data is that the flu virus was nearly eradicated. Ask any Children's Hospital CFO what the largest impact to their revenue and OI line was and they will tell you that their ERs were empty from not seeing flu patients (and also trauma as fewer sports were being played). Masking played a positive role in that.

Trump could have leveraged masks to his advantage:

- Continuing to drive the Lab Leak theory
- Call Masks as "patriotic" in the US' fight versus China
- Support targeted masking in indoor areas
- Print millions of MAGA2020 and US flag masks, give it out to everyone

Trump is a marketer, at his core (and a very good one). He had 73M+ of face real estate and chose not to use it.

A missed opportunity.

On a personal level, I travel (used to travel) a good deal for my role. Going forward on planes, I will continue to mask and even double mask. My wife and family will do the same, but that is a personal choice. I would hope that others would do the same - if they are sick and still decide to travel.

Now, with Pelosi continuing to mandate masks in the House Chamber, that is her mistake and is decidedly anti-science. The Vaccines work - phenomenally well. 90% of the chamber is vaccinated and the others have had the virus. Even if someone does not want to Vaccinate because it's under EUA, then that is their decision. They can choose to get vaccinated, they can choose to wear a mask or they can choose to have their primary physician on speed dial to get a Monoclonal Anti-body treatment should they be part of the 1-2% of cases that become severe.
Happy Tuesday, all.

Can you share the scientific evidence masks work? Primarily cloth masks that fulfilled mandate requirements on the local level.

We already know the anecdotal evidence doesn't exist/is unfavorable.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Lol, I don’t know where you are trying to go with this. We are talking about a virus, not a loaded gun pointed at someone. Different level of risk. No potential harm to me as a mask wearer, large potential benefit to you, the vulnerable non mask wearer.

Actually, there are documented cases of mask wearers giving themselves Legionaire's disease.

We don't have a single documented case on the planet of a person getting covid, who would not had Person A simply worn a mask.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Can you share the scientific evidence masks work? Primarily cloth masks that fulfilled mandate requirements on the local level.

We already know the anecdotal evidence doesn't exist/is unfavorable.

Sure and a very fair ask.

From MIT:

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

The mission of MIT is to advance knowledge and educate students in science, technology and other areas of scholarship that will best serve the nation and the world in the 21st century.

medical.mit.edu

From the CDC:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

 

[fatman76]

Lol, I don’t know where you are trying to go with this. We are talking about a virus, not a loaded gun pointed at someone. Different level of risk. No potential harm to me as a mask wearer, large potential benefit to you, the vulnerable non mask wearer.

I'm worn slick with the "no harm" claim about masks.

I've got a 15YO soph trying to make friends at a new school. You think masks help or hurt? How important are social interactions to the healthy development of a young adolescent? What's his risk factor from Covid? How about asymptomatic spread with kids his age?

I've had to wear masks all day on several occasions. A tournament I coached in this fall I wore a mask for 6 hours straight, while outside, and my oxygen saturation dropped nearly 10%. Raging headache at the end of the day. And now we're told outdoor spread is virtually non-existent (which if you paid attention, you already knew in the fall...even China early on said they could find almost zero cases of confirmed transmission outdoors).

My 12YO got a nasty case of strep. His pediatrician had seen several cases by the time my quarantined son came in, and he felt wearing masks at school all day was the main cause. As you know, strep infections can trigger much more significant illnesses. One of my wife's piano students got a nasty case of strep at 15 and developed Tourette's syndrome...unrelated to Covid/masks but still makes the point.

It's not socially healthy to hide half your face from the world and we are not designed to regurgitate our exhaust. Fresh air supports healthy oxygen saturation levels which are the fundamental basis of nearly every critical function in our body.

If they work, I'm all for making the sacrifice. But so far I've seen nothing to indicate they help at all.

 

[fatman76]

Sure and a very fair ask.

From MIT:

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

The mission of MIT is to advance knowledge and educate students in science, technology and other areas of scholarship that will best serve the nation and the world in the 21st century.

medical.mit.edu

From the CDC:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

I'll start with MIT.

Lab study quote:
"While each utterance generated hundreds of droplets ranging in size from 20 to 500 micrometers, the researchers showed that covering the speaker’s mouth with a damp washcloth blocked nearly all of them."

I'm sorry...I didn't know we needed to wet our masks. Do you do that? Can you explain to me what waterboarding is?

Anecdotal study claiming 450k cases were prevented
Conveniently that study, which was published 7/2020, looked at March to May infection rates. Guess what else happens in March to May every year? People go outside. We know outdoor transmission is near zero. We were also pretty damned locked down from restaurants and movie theaters and other indoor gatherings.
So I want you to look at the data yourself. Starting in October what happened to cases? Were mask mandates more or less widespread and enforced later in the year as the death toll rose? Why didn't mask mandates stop the spread then?

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)

coronavirus.jhu.edu

I'm not going after you, but I don't think that first article says what you want it to. All I'm asking is for some critical thinking, challenge status quo and see how well it holds up.

 

[fatman76]

Sure and a very fair ask.

From MIT:

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

The mission of MIT is to advance knowledge and educate students in science, technology and other areas of scholarship that will best serve the nation and the world in the 21st century.

medical.mit.edu

From the CDC:

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

CDC article is better, at least they picked 5 anecdotal situations where masks appeared to have reduced infection. I'll put my distrust of the CDC aside for a second and say that is some of the better information I've seen.

But I do struggle to square it with the Danish study. 3000+ people were split into control and test groups and were given plenty of clean masks with instructions on how and when to use them. The groups were selected carefully to make sure occupational and social exposure were similar. This study was peer reviewed and widely accepted.

The result? The effect of masking was statistically insignificant.

ACP Journals

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

To be honest, I think a lot of the mask nazis we have here have encountered some or all of the same issues you have with wearing masks, but don't want to admit it. I know from my own use last Summer, just wearing one for an hour or so while inside a store was a miserable experience, and wearing one for even a few minutes outside in the heat would cause my breathing to become labored.

It's simply not healthy.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I've had to wear masks all day on several occasions. A tournament I coached in this fall I wore a mask for 6 hours straight, while outside, and my oxygen saturation dropped nearly 10%. Raging headache at the end of the day.

We have multiple posters here who claim to work in the medical field.

I'm guessing all of them have championed wearing masks. I'm also guessing none of them have touched on these or other potentially damaging side affects. Hell we just had one supposed doctor claim there was no potential harm from wearing one.

We have never needed sound advice from the medical community about our health more than we do right now. And it appears our medical community has never been more ill-equipped to provide it.

 

[fatman76]

We have multiple posters here who claim to work in the medical field.

I'm guessing all of them have championed wearing masks. I'm also guessing none of them have touched on these or other potentially damaging side affects. Hell we just had one supposed doctor claim there was no potential harm from wearing one.

We have never needed sound advice from the medical community about our health more than we do right now. And it appears our medical community has never been more ill-equipped to provide it.

Some interesting internal communications have surfaced about what Fauci really thinks about masks...amongst other things. I know, the source sucks.

FAUCI EMAILS: Masks are ‘not really effective,’ advocated for school closures, knew virus could have been ‘engineered’

Dr. Fauci advocated early for school closures despite evidence showing that kids were not at high risk of contracting or spreading the illness.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[grandhavendiddy]

To be honest, I think a lot of the mask nazis we have here have encountered some or all of the same issues you have with wearing masks, but don't want to admit it. I know from my own use last Summer, just wearing one for an hour or so while inside a store was a miserable experience, and wearing one for even a few minutes outside in the heat would cause my breathing to become labored.

It's simply not healthy.

My view on masks is that it was and always unnecessary outside and it marginally helps in indoor, crowded areas. Our firm went 100% virtual and never missed a beat, so, I only had to wear masks about 30 to 60 minutes a day. We also saved in the low nine figures from non-reimbursable travel and reduced real estate costs. From this perspective, Covid-19 has been a blessing.

I hate masks, but view them as marginally protective. They appear, along with social distancing, to be very effective against flu transmission.

My view now is that if you are fully vaccinated and asking others to wear masks, then it is, as Rand Paul says, mask theater and you do not trust the science.

If you don't get vaccinated, don't social distance and get sick, then don't ask for society (medicare/medicaid or commercial group premiums) to pay for your bill. The individual can take the individual risk and responsibility to pay for it out of their savings.

My only caveat to the above would be that the vaccinates are not fully authorized. Once they are, then the above holds.

 

[G8trDad3]

The point is you live in this fantasy world where you really think people care about each other by wearing a mask.

Unfortunately true. If we don’t care enough to wear a simple mask to help society we are in a bad way. I see that by reading this site.

 

[fatman76]

Unfortunately true. If we don’t care enough to wear a simple mask to help society we are in a bad way. I see that by reading this site.

Why don't we all wear vagina hats and rainbow shirts everyday?

It would help society and it would show we care about the marginalized among us. Or do you disagree that everyone wearing those would help society?

 

[fatman76]

My view on masks is that it was and always unnecessary outside and it marginally helps in indoor, crowded areas. Our firm went 100% virtual and never missed a beat, so, I only had to wear masks about 30 to 60 minutes a day. We also saved in the low nine figures from non-reimbursable travel and reduced real estate costs. From this perspective, Covid-19 has been a blessing.

I hate masks, but view them as marginally protective. They appear, along with social distancing, to be very effective against flu transmission.

My view now is that if you are fully vaccinated and asking others to wear masks, then it is, as Rand Paul says, mask theater and you do not trust the science.

If you don't get vaccinated, don't social distance and get sick, then don't ask for society (medicare/medicaid or commercial group premiums) to pay for your bill. The individual can take the individual risk and responsibility to pay for it out of their savings.

My only caveat to the above would be that the vaccinates are not fully authorized. Once they are, then the above holds.

I can't take exception to anything you posted here....with perhaps the exception of masks vs the flu. I'm not sure if it's masks or if we're just not interested in tracking the flu that's causing the numbers to plummet. But if masks have eradicated the flu that fact actually proves they're worthless against Covid. If one disease spikes while the other disappears you don't need to be an epidemiologist to put 2+2=4 together.

I think if you've got Covid and you cough or sneeze masks can help stop some of the big droplets. But the benefit is really, really small as most symptomatic people stay home. That said I mask up when asked. I'm about to fly and I'll obviously comply.

 

[G8trDad3]

My view on masks is that it was and always unnecessary outside and it marginally helps in indoor, crowded areas. Our firm went 100% virtual and never missed a beat, so, I only had to wear masks about 30 to 60 minutes a day. We also saved in the low nine figures from non-reimbursable travel and reduced real estate costs. From this perspective, Covid-19 has been a blessing.

I hate masks, but view them as marginally protective. They appear, along with social distancing, to be very effective against flu transmission.

My view now is that if you are fully vaccinated and asking others to wear masks, then it is, as Rand Paul says, mask theater and you do not trust the science.

If you don't get vaccinated, don't social distance and get sick, then don't ask for society (medicare/medicaid or commercial group premiums) to pay for your bill. The individual can take the individual risk and responsibility to pay for it out of their savings.

My only caveat to the above would be that the vaccinates are not fully authorized. Once they are, then the above holds.

Agree. Never needed outside if socially distant. Maybe marginal benefit to mask wearing but it is better than nothing.
There might be social consequences to wearing masks but we are all in the same boat so there should be nothing embarrassing about a teenager wearing a mask.

 

[Gator Fever]

Probably already posted above somewhere but this idiot also gave a speech years ago saying mask's wouldn't do anything to stop the spread of something like Covid. This in addition to admitting they were engineering this crap it appears.

 

[fatman76]

Probably already posted above somewhere but this idiot also gave a speech years ago saying mask's wouldn't do anything to stop the spread of something like Covid. This in addition to admitting they were engineering this crap it appears.

Yep I posted a link above but it's better to filter out the media outlet so the focus is just on Fauci.

Fvck that guy.

 

[Gator Fever]

I can't take exception to anything you posted here....with perhaps the exception of masks vs the flu. I'm not sure if it's masks or if we're just not interested in tracking the flu that's causing the numbers to plummet. But if masks have eradicated the flu that fact actually proves they're worthless against Covid. If one disease spikes while the other disappears you don't need to be an epidemiologist to put 2+2=4 together.

I think if you've got Covid and you cough or sneeze masks can help stop some of the big droplets. But the benefit is really, really small as most symptomatic people stay home. That said I mask up when asked. I'm about to fly and I'll obviously comply.

The flu disappeared because they were basically calling everything Covid to make huge profits from the govt. Its crazy how much the govt payouts were inflated if something was classified Covid related. I bet most actual flu cases never even got a test for it and for a long period a doctor could just use the symptoms to call something Covid related.

 

[G8trDad3]

Why don't we all wear vagina hats and rainbow shirts everyday?

It would help society and it would show we care about the marginalized among us. Or do you disagree that everyone wearing those would help society?

Please pardon my naivety but what are you talking about?!