The SEC East just got weaker

[PacoGator19]

Mizzou - Barry Odom
UGA - Kirby Smart
USCe - Muschump

It looks like the SEC east may go back to being a UF/UT battle.

I still can't believe USCe is going to hire Muschamp. I almost feel sorry for them. But they've had a chance to watch him up close the last 4 years since we are both in the East and they still chose to hire him so I can't feel too bad for them due to their own incompetence and stupidity.

 

[METSWIN]

Wasn't he like their 4th option? It's like the NFL now with all the retreads.

 

[SeaPA]

The execs of the search firm that discovered the new coach should be arrested for grand theft.

 

[cwesleyf]

I hope South Carolina fans love defense, defense and more defense. When he was here Muschamp repeatedly proved he has an inordinate ability to ineffectually recruit, coach and develop offensive players. I'm shocked that it only took a year for him to get another shot at a head coaching position at a power 5 school. Wow??!!

 

[Michi-Gator]

Not sure what 'option' he was but I do know RichRod had an offer.

Think about this, Steve 'freakin' Spurrier couldn't put a fuctioning offense together at USCe. Now add a guy who no offensive player in the country wants to play for and I can only imagine how this is going to work out.

 

[Rushie]

Georgia will still be in the mix with the amount of hs talent there. But I see a clear dividing line forming between UF, UT, and UGa and the rest of the division going forward.

 

[METSWIN]

I read that Herman was offered in November and said no. Schiano was apparently interviewed as was the USF guy. Taggart?? Rich Rod now BOOM. For all I know Champ could have been the guy all along and the others were due diligence but..... Maybe he has the laugh last? A few years learning at UF and a year regrouping at Auburn may be the reset he needs? I wouldn't put money on it though.

 

[RD_Gator]

Mizzou - Barry Odom
UGA - Kirby Smart
USCe - Muschump

It looks like the SEC east may go back to being a UF/UT battle.

I still can't believe USCe is going to hire Muschamp. I almost feel sorry for them. But they've had a chance to watch him up close the last 4 years since we are both in the East and they still chose to hire him so I can't feel too bad for them due to their own incompetence and stupidity.

Disagree.
Georgia will still be able to recruit quality athletes in their state and in nearby states that could match UF's level. Kirby Smart must have learned something about putting together a complete team from his 8-year association with Nick Saban and Alabama. I think the bulldogs will be Florida's primary competition and could be even tougher than they were under Richt. Just because a defensive coach like Muschamp failed at Florida doesn't mean Smart will also fail at Georgia.

Tennessee and Butch Jones have still not taken the next step of winning against the best competition and in defeating SEC-W teams. The vols are still a little bit of a question mark.

I don't know anything about Missouri and their new coach. Would they keep their old spread system and their defensive schemes? Mizzou did win two of the last three SEC-E titles. So, keep an eye on the Tigers.

Finally, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vandy are in the last tier. These teams will still give any team a competitive game & pull off the upset if they are not ready to play the game. If Mizzou continues to falter, they could find themselves in this lower level.

I think the hierarchy in the SEC E is the following:
- Florida/Georgia
- Tennessee/Missouri
- Kentucky/South Carolina/ Vandy

http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings

 

[MJWilliamson]

 

[nwflcock]

Not sure what 'option' he was but I do know RichRod had an offer.

Think about this, Steve 'freakin' Spurrier couldn't put a fuctioning offense together at USCe. Now add a guy who no offensive player in the country wants to play for and I can only imagine how this is going to work out.

How in the world do you know that R Rod had an offer. He never said that he had an offer. He tweeted on his way back to Az that he would be coaching next year at Az. Today when asked publicly about whether he had an offer from South Carolina he said he rather talk about Az. So good buddy how do you know?

 

[PacoGator19]

All I know is USCe is going to be pretty bad for years to come.

 

[nwflcock]

All I know is USCe is going to be pretty bad for years to come.

Sure is going to be fun watching what Florida's, Georgia and USC's coaches accomplish over the next 4 years. I wish Miami played Florida and Ga in about 2 to 3 years. Now that would be really interesting.
It is interesting that we hire Muschamp to coach our team even though Florida was 1-3 against USC when he was their coach. People do learn from their mistakes. Roper is a good OC and if allowed to run the offense with Muschamp getting some good players it could be real interesting.

Do not count your wins until you have played the game. I do believe that the East may be weaker in future so Florida will only need to worry about beating FSU. That certainly has been a big challenge for many years. Good luck to all teams in the East. I hope that one of our teams brings back an SEC championship within the next 5 years but I do not see that happening.

 

[TheMac03]

Sure is going to be fun watching what Florida's, Georgia and USC's coaches accomplish over the next 4 years. I wish Miami played Florida and Ga in about 2 to 3 years. Now that would be really interesting.
It is interesting that we hire Muschamp to coach our team even though Florida was 1-3 against USC when he was their coach. People do learn from their mistakes. Roper is a good OC and if allowed to run the offense with Muschamp getting some good players it could be real interesting.

Do not count your wins until you have played the game. I do believe that the East may be weaker in future so Florida will only need to worry about beating FSU. That certainly has been a big challenge for many years. Good luck to all teams in the East. I hope that one of our teams brings back an SEC championship within the next 5 years but I do not see that happening.

And just what do you know about Roper? He hasn't been an effective as an OC from what I recall. Cutcliffe has always been the offensive minded guy and our one year with Roper as OC didn't produce mind blowing numbers. Muschamp is also very overrated as a Coach. Ga Southern is a proof of that.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Sure is going to be fun watching what Florida's, Georgia and USC's coaches accomplish over the next 4 years. I wish Miami played Florida and Ga in about 2 to 3 years. Now that would be really interesting.
It is interesting that we hire Muschamp to coach our team even though Florida was 1-3 against USC when he was their coach. People do learn from their mistakes. Roper is a good OC and if allowed to run the offense with Muschamp getting some good players it could be real interesting.

Do not count your wins until you have played the game. I do believe that the East may be weaker in future so Florida will only need to worry about beating FSU. That certainly has been a big challenge for many years. Good luck to all teams in the East. I hope that one of our teams brings back an SEC championship within the next 5 years but I do not see that happening.

So give us the baseball analogy. Was this a home run hire? Ground rule double? Dropped third strike advance to first? What?

Personally, I think you guys just took a beanball to the head. But don't mind me, I mean what would a Gator know about having Muschamp as head coach?

 

[NavigatorII]

Sure is going to be fun watching what Florida's, Georgia and USC's coaches accomplish over the next 4 years. I wish Miami played Florida and Ga in about 2 to 3 years. Now that would be really interesting.
It is interesting that we hire Muschamp to coach our team even though Florida was 1-3 against USC when he was their coach. People do learn from their mistakes. Roper is a good OC and if allowed to run the offense with Muschamp getting some good players it could be real interesting.

Do not count your wins until you have played the game. I do believe that the East may be weaker in future so Florida will only need to worry about beating FSU. That certainly has been a big challenge for many years. Good luck to all teams in the East. I hope that one of our teams brings back an SEC championship within the next 5 years but I do not see that happening.

Roper say what? Cock fans are in for a rough ride. Wow...............How long is the Champ contract for?

 

[kellylexy]

Disagree.
Georgia will still be able to recruit quality athletes in their state and in nearby states that could match UF's level. Kirby Smart must have learned something about putting together a complete team from his 8-year association with Nick Saban and Alabama. I think the bulldogs will be Florida's primary competition and could be even tougher than they were under Richt. Just because a defensive coach like Muschamp failed at Florida doesn't mean Smart will also fail at Georgia.

Tennessee and Butch Jones have still not taken the next step of winning against the best competition and in defeating SEC-W teams. The vols are still a little bit of a question mark.

I don't know anything about Missouri and their new coach. Would they keep their old spread system and their defensive schemes? Mizzou did win two of the last three SEC-E titles. So, keep an eye on the Tigers.

Finally, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vandy are in the last tier. These teams will still give any team a competitive game & pull off the upset if they are not ready to play the game. If Mizzou continues to falter, they could find themselves in this lower level.

I think the hierarchy in the SEC E is the following:
- Florida/Georgia
- Tennessee/Missouri
- Kentucky/South Carolina/ Vandy

http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings

You about nailed it with all of them. Mizzou is just not going to get the athletes and Pinkel more than made up for it with schemes, etc. It will be a Fla/Ga battle pretty much year in and year out with Florida probably getting the better of the winning percentage.

 

[NavigatorII]

You about nailed it with all of them. Mizzou is just not going to get the athletes and Pinkel more than made up for it with schemes, etc. It will be a Fla/Ga battle pretty much year in and year out with Florida probably getting the better of the winning percentage.

Georgia's been getting top tiered athletes for the better part of 20 years. It is their coaching holding them back. Hell, ask Spurrier. He's on record quoting UGA gets good athletes yet they got their asses kicked come game time. I don't see that a good omen for Da U either. Kirby Smart? That's another defensive coordinator head coaching move. I do not see that working out well for the offense unless he is night and day different and not a micromanager like Muschump.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Georgia's been getting top tiered athletes for the better part of 20 years. It is their coaching holding them back. Hell, ask Spurrier. He's on record quoting UGA gets good athletes yet they got their asses kicked come game time. I don't see that a good omen for Da U either. Kirby Smart? That's another defensive coordinator head coaching move. I do not see that working out well for the offense unless he is night and day different and not a micromanager like Muschump.

Kirby Smart has never shown me anything. Which still makes him a better hire than Muschamp, IMO, who has shown me things.

 

[Michi-Gator]

How in the world do you know that R Rod had an offer. He never said that he had an offer. He tweeted on his way back to Az that he would be coaching next year at Az. Today when asked publicly about whether he had an offer from South Carolina he said he rather talk about Az. So good buddy how do you know?

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ez-turns-offer-coach-south-carolina-gamecocks

 

[MJWilliamson]

Kirby Smart has never shown me anything. Which still makes him a better hire than Muschamp, IMO, who has shown me things.

I am not sure. USCe knows they are getting a coach that failed in his previous HC job. But they hope he will change and get better.

UGA really does not know what they are getting as a HC. They know he was Saban's DC, but that is about it.

 

[TAYLOR1027]

I don't see it ending any different for USCe then it did for us.. same head coach same OC and a new DC that was on chumps staff here and worse players. Had a SC fan say to me, well looks who's players mac is winning with, and my response was look who couldn't win with his own players. The only good thing chump did was keep Elliot on the staff so they will have a good interim HC when chump gets fired half way through his third season.

 

[PacoGator19]

Elliot isn't a good coach either. He pulled a Muschamp and lost to Citadel.

 

[TAYLOR1027]

Well that's just cause they are terrible, idk if you can say he is a bad coach. They almost beat Clemson

 

[cockydev]

Not sure what 'option' he was but I do know RichRod had an offer.

Think about this, Steve 'freakin' Spurrier couldn't put a fuctioning offense together at USCe. Now add a guy who no offensive player in the country wants to play for and I can only imagine how this is going to work out.

No, Rich Rod did not have an offer. Their AD lied in order to show how "committed" that scumbag is.

The coaching list was Tom Herman (who we continued to pursue even until last week), Kirby Smart (we forced Georgia's hand by officially offering him), and then Muschamp.

Everyone here was sick of Spurrier's laziness, the incompetence of the staff, and the nepotism the past two years - this hire, and more importantly the staff that's being assembled, has actually got me excited about the program again.

 

[GatorGray]

this hire, and more importantly the staff that's being assembled, has actually got me excited about the program again.

I hope it works out for you.

 

[PacoGator19]

When do we expect to have some clarity on this mysterious Grier "situation?" Are we talking days, weeks, or months?

No, Rich Rod did not have an offer. Their AD lied in order to show how "committed" that scumbag is.

The coaching list was Tom Herman (who we continued to pursue even until last week), Kirby Smart (we forced Georgia's hand by officially offering him), and then Muschamp.

Everyone here was sick of Spurrier's laziness, the incompetence of the staff, and the nepotism the past two years - this hire, and more importantly the staff that's being assembled, has actually got me excited about the program again.

He had a good staff at UF as well. It didn't make a difference because Muschamp isn't a leader and doesn't possess the qualities necessary to be a good head coach.

 

[PacoGator19]

I hope you enjoyed those 10 win seasons under Spurrier because you aren't getting anywhere close to that anytime soon with Muschump.

 

[kellylexy]

I hope you enjoyed those 10 win seasons under Spurrier because you aren't getting anywhere close to that anytime soon with Muschump.

It is the SECe so anything is possible right now. It has kind of been a race, for the past few years, as to who will actually go from a pretender to a serious contender. UF seems to be the latest with the inside track if they can figure out the QB position without losing too much ground on defense.

Can Kirby now get uga over the hump? They have had the talent, but lacked a true killer instinct.

SOS showed USCe has potential to be very competitive in the SECe, however has Muschamp learned to actually run an entire team versus just a defense?

Many thought UT was going to be the next big thing under Jones, but those teams are just not getting any better then 'ok'. I think his seat may begin to warm a bit if they cannot get out of September/early Octber without getting pretty much being eliminated from the SECe division title.

Mizzou filled a void the previous two years until UF figured things out. They just do not have the consistent horses to win the SECe if programs like UF/UGA are close to being good.

Stoops has maxed out at Kentucky and Vandy is back to being Vandy.

If Muschamp does not figure it out within two seasons then it could be too late because chances are UF and UGA will get their 'stuff' together and the talent level will be the separator, imo.

 

[instaGATOR]

Right now,,, the Gator staff is much better than UGA's, imo of course...

 

[nwflcock]

It is the SECe so anything is possible right now. It has kind of been a race, for the past few years, as to who will actually go from a pretender to a serious contender. UF seems to be the latest with the inside track if they can figure out the QB position without losing too much ground on defense.

Can Kirby now get uga over the hump? They have had the talent, but lacked a true killer instinct.

SOS showed USCe has potential to be very competitive in the SECe, however has Muschamp learned to actually run an entire team versus just a defense?

Many thought UT was going to be the next big thing under Jones, but those teams are just not getting any better then 'ok'. I think his seat may begin to warm a bit if they cannot get out of September/early Octber without getting pretty much being eliminated from the SECe division title.

Mizzou filled a void the previous two years until UF figured things out. They just do not have the consistent horses to win the SECe if programs like UF/UGA are close to being good.

Stoops has maxed out at Kentucky and Vandy is back to being Vandy.

If Muschamp does not figure it out within two seasons then it could be too late because chances are UF and UGA will get their 'stuff' together and the talent level will be the separator, imo.

Well as of today poor Smart can't even get his staff together. Smart says when asked about offense he will run says either a pro style or spread just depends. I guess he will tell himself and Ga. fans what type offense he will run when he ever makes the decision. Wouldn't you need to know before you chose a OC? Maybe he must first see who is willing to join his staff first. Smart could surprise me but as of now I am not impressed. They do have a deep recruiting base in home state that is for sure as does Florida.

 

[kellylexy]

Well as of today poor Smart can't even get his staff together. Smart says when asked about offense he will run says either a pro style or spread just depends. I guess he will tell himself and Ga. fans what type offense he will run when he ever makes the decision. Wouldn't you need to know before you chose a OC? Maybe he must first see who is willing to join his staff first. Smart could surprise me but as of now I am not impressed. They do have a deep recruiting base in home state that is for sure as does Florida.

You pretty much answered it in your questions/statements I highlighted in bold. If you are a DC transitioning to HC, one would think he would probably prefer a slower tempo pro style versus a spread. Defensive coaches, imo, like to keep the defense off the field as long as possible. As a HC, he needs to find the best OC available that runs an acceptable (to him) offensive scheme. He might be waiting on a coach that is currently in a bowl game...especially one that might be in the CFP or NY6 game. He might be pulling Napier or someone from Bama's staff, for example. Smart seems adaptable since he has coached against all kinds of offenses and probably feels he can adapt his team, accordingly. UGA is going to be able to get the athletes so it is going to boil down to his OC being able to implement an effective offense.

 

[ZZ1059]

Do you all think this is a good or bad thing?

 

[Michi-Gator]

Well as of today poor Smart can't even get his staff together. Smart says when asked about offense he will run says either a pro style or spread just depends. I guess he will tell himself and Ga. fans what type offense he will run when he ever makes the decision. Wouldn't you need to know before you chose a OC? Maybe he must first see who is willing to join his staff first. Smart could surprise me but as of now I am not impressed. They do have a deep recruiting base in home state that is for sure as does Florida.

Maybe he wants Nuss.

 

[instaGATOR]

Nuss to UGly, in what most would consider a lateral move, is highly unlikely.
Unless Mc was unhappy with Nuss's job anyway...

Nuss might leave for a good D1 HBC'ing job, but that would not be the UGly offer in this case.

 

[Big"T"Dawg]

UGA really does not know what they are getting as a HC. They know he was Saban's DC, but that is about it.

No one knew what the gators were getting in McElwain either. Both are Saban disciples. Academically speaking Kirby is a pretty intelligent guy. (4-time SEC Academic Team/Masters in Finance) Surely he's perfected the process while under Nick for 9 seasons. Give him a recruiting class or two to shore things up. Really not out of the question that he wins the East in 2016.

 

[MJWilliamson]

No one knew what the gators were getting in McElwain either.

You mean, other than he was a successful head coach as CSU?

Really not out of the question that he wins the East in 2016.

Hope springs eternal, does it not?

 

[Big"T"Dawg]

You mean, other than he was a successful head coach as CSU?



Hope springs eternal, does it not?

22-16 at colo st. with zero titles. the only success was that he improved his record each year which is saying something i guess.

 

[PacoGator19]

22-16 at colo st. with zero titles. the only success was that he improved his record each year which is saying something i guess.

You are aware that CSU was one of the worst programs in D1 when he got that job though right?

 

[MJWilliamson]

22-16 at colo st. with zero titles. the only success was that he improved his record each year which is saying something i guess.

And now 10-2 at UF with an SEC East title.

 

[oozie7]

22-16 at colo st. with zero titles. the only success was that he improved his record each year which is saying something i guess.

LOL. I'm guessing you're feeling confident because you just landed the QB that's gonna lead you a title, right?