So, Grier should be named starter......right?
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The entire season rides on our offensive line struggles. If it continues, as we knew it would be an issue this year, then Harris could see a bigger role moving forward in conference play because of his mobility. I think Grier is the long term solution for the program.
I think we will try to make him the starter but it will be Treon the 2nd half of the year. Our OL is going to be abused by good DL's and we are going to need a QB who can run around and make a few things happen. Gonna be a long year either way.
Grier's decision making leaves a lot to be desired right now. He telegraphs his passes (very common for freshmen) and against SEC competition that won't cut it. Grier also zips all his passes at the same speed regardless of how close the receiver may be in the route. Once he gets touch to his passes....the sky's the limit.
Treon was asked to right the ship in the second half, mainly because of his poise in the pocket. His maneuverability in the pocket is light years ahead of Grier at the moment. With our young O line that is a huge plus, because right now Grier is just a north-south runner with no pocket elusiveness.
Treon was asked to right the ship in the second half, mainly because of his poise in the pocket. His maneuverability in the pocket is light years ahead of Grier at the moment. With our young O line that is a huge plus, because right now Grier is just a north-south runner with no pocket elusiveness.
Grier should be the starter, but idk how people are coming to that conclusion based on last nights game. He did not perform well. But the reason he should be the starter is because we can't run worth a damn and we're gonna have to pass to open up the offense.
But reading other boards the consensus seems to be Treon messed up the offense and I'm really wondering how people are coming to that conclusion other than bias. He played 10 snaps in the first half, Grier got almost all the snaps and we only had 10 points on the board (granted we should have had 16 but we have no kicker). Then Grier again started the second half and other than the one scoring drive we couldn't move the ball at all. And in the stretch he threw at least 3 balls right into the chest of defenders, two of which could've easily been pick 6's. Which is the the entire reason Mac put Treon back in the game to begin with, we weren't moving the ball. People are acting like Grier was moving the offense up and down the field and Treon came in and screwed everything up. Our only sustained drive in the second half came when Treon was in the game and that TD finally gave us breathing room. Our issues go way beyond who the QB is. But yes Grier would be starting if I had to make the choice.
But reading other boards the consensus seems to be Treon messed up the offense and I'm really wondering how people are coming to that conclusion other than bias. He played 10 snaps in the first half, Grier got almost all the snaps and we only had 10 points on the board (granted we should have had 16 but we have no kicker). Then Grier again started the second half and other than the one scoring drive we couldn't move the ball at all. And in the stretch he threw at least 3 balls right into the chest of defenders, two of which could've easily been pick 6's. Which is the the entire reason Mac put Treon back in the game to begin with, we weren't moving the ball. People are acting like Grier was moving the offense up and down the field and Treon came in and screwed everything up. Our only sustained drive in the second half came when Treon was in the game and that TD finally gave us breathing room. Our issues go way beyond who the QB is. But yes Grier would be starting if I had to make the choice.
It is not going to matter who starts. If this team does not get get discipline they will be trash, period.
I don't know what game some fans were watching, but we don't win that game without Treon. Grier will eventually be the full time starter, but to suggest Treon didn't save our asses in that game is moronic at best.
Thomas Golkamp has a nice little article suggesting that Mac needs to choose one or the other, cause when the cold QB comes in, he is initially not very effective.
There are good and bad things about both guys...but all and all I think that they have done a decent job...both of them. O line has got to do a better job and receivers have got to get some separation consistently. Even more than that the penalties have got to stop...offense had so many penalties last night. I just hope that one guy starts so we can try and get some continuity on offense.
Keep in mind a few things about TOS:
1. The majority were upset when Chump was fired
2. Most of them wanted Mac to bring Saban's most conservative offense to UF. Those guys want a statue, under center, running between the tackles 85% of the time with 3 TE and the only passes to be 3 yd outs to the TE.
Most of the time I just figure most of them damaged their brains because they played football when they still wore leather helmets. I am not yet convinced all know the forward pass is legal
I've not seen a problem with both QB's playing in a game.
IF it comes to only 1 QB, then it should probably be Grier, (jmoho of course).
Now, I'd continue to play them both until that causes a problem.
I'd also try to build up the Guy/Grady combo for backups at both QB positions, but that's just me...
IF it comes to only 1 QB, then it should probably be Grier, (jmoho of course).
Now, I'd continue to play them both until that causes a problem.
I'd also try to build up the Guy/Grady combo for backups at both QB positions, but that's just me...
There's some logic to that. There's an old saying in football..."If you have two starting QB's, it really means you don't have one".
I seem to remember when 2 QB did pretty well against a team of criminoles with only 1 QB....
Green is behind the secondary!I seem to remember when 2 QB did pretty well against a team of criminoles with only 1 QB....
The talk/talk/talk about UF's current QB is focused on only 2 guys.
That might just be a fan mistake. I still see other possibilities on the depth chart.
First 2 2015 Games QB Stats for your consideration:
Grier - Rush - 7 for 63 yds, loss 10 yds, net 53 yds, 7.6 ypc, L-38 yds, 1 TD.
Pass - 26 of 35, 74.3% for 317 yds, 4 TD's, 1 Int, L-34 yds, PER 182.37
Harris - Rush - 8 for 59 yds, loss 4 yds, net 55 yds, 6.9 ypc, L-22 yds, 0 TD.
Pass - 19 of 27, 70.4% for 269 yds, 2 TD's, 0 Int, L-43 yds, PER 178.50
Grady - Rush - 2 for 21 yds, loss 0, net 21 yds, 10.5 ypc, L-14 yds, 0 TD.
Pass - 1 of 1, 100% for 3 yds, PER 125.20. (in limited 1st gm mop-up)
There are 8 2015 Roster QB's:
12 - QB-DT/WR Josh Grady 6-0 200 rsSr *** - 2011 - A VU Grad-transfer - Seffner, FL
HS Sr 3,000+ yds, 26 TD's, 5 Ints, (5.2 to 1) 4A FL HS (14-1) State Champs.
15 - QB-PP Jacob Guy 6-5 222 rsJr SQ P-WO *** (FL 5A Playoff Final Four)
17 - #17 QB-PP/TE Anderson Proctor 6-3 209 rsSo P-WO **** (ESPN) Vero Beach
14 - #27 QB-PP Luke Del Rio 6-1 216 rsSo *** WO - UA/OreSt xfer - Colo 5A Champ (2012 Elite 11)
HS Sr - 2,275 yds, 28 TD's, 4 Ints, (7.0 to 1) - Dad/Jack is Oakland Raiders HBC. He's a likely redshirt.
3 - #7 QB-DT/RB Treon Harris 5-11 195 So 1L **** (49.5% - 4.5 ypc) - 2x 4A State Champs
UF- P - 55 of 111, 49.5%, 1,019 yds, 9 TD's, 4 Ints, (2.3 to 1) -- R - 75, 338 yds, 4.5 ypc 3 TD's.
7 - #2 QB-DT Will Grier 6-2 215 rsFr SQ ***** (Parade HS PoY, #2 QB-DT at Elite 11)
Passing - 14,565 yds, 195 TD's, 27 Ints. (7.2 to 1)
Rushing - 2,955 yds, 31 TD's, 7 LPF's.
3 Year HS Career Offense: 17,520 yards, 226 TD's, 34 Turnovers (6.65 to 1 TD/Turnover Ratio).
13 - QB-PP Brian Fallace 6-4 206 4.57/40 rsFr *** WO - Melbourne (5A) Satellite Beach - SPARQ 69.78
22 - QB-DT Harry 'Quint' Gornto IV 6-2 195 Fr *** P-WO - Fort Walton Beach (FL 6A Playoff Final Four)
Nike Sparq score 102.6. (New Orleans, March 2014). The #1 QB through 6 Sparq combines and #38 overall (over 7000 athletes) Nike Combine (N.O.) All Combine Team (at QB) March 2014.
He's in the International Baccalaureate (IB) college prep program, maintains a 4.2 GPA, and he made a 33 on the ACT.
(Wuerffel won the Draddy, Tebow won the re-named Campbell, jus-sayin')
Maybe it should be Gornto-Grady as the 2015 back-ups for Grier-Harris.
When some xfer out (always do), it won't be a 2016 roster killer imo.
That might just be a fan mistake. I still see other possibilities on the depth chart.
First 2 2015 Games QB Stats for your consideration:
Grier - Rush - 7 for 63 yds, loss 10 yds, net 53 yds, 7.6 ypc, L-38 yds, 1 TD.
Pass - 26 of 35, 74.3% for 317 yds, 4 TD's, 1 Int, L-34 yds, PER 182.37
Harris - Rush - 8 for 59 yds, loss 4 yds, net 55 yds, 6.9 ypc, L-22 yds, 0 TD.
Pass - 19 of 27, 70.4% for 269 yds, 2 TD's, 0 Int, L-43 yds, PER 178.50
Grady - Rush - 2 for 21 yds, loss 0, net 21 yds, 10.5 ypc, L-14 yds, 0 TD.
Pass - 1 of 1, 100% for 3 yds, PER 125.20. (in limited 1st gm mop-up)
There are 8 2015 Roster QB's:
12 - QB-DT/WR Josh Grady 6-0 200 rsSr *** - 2011 - A VU Grad-transfer - Seffner, FL
HS Sr 3,000+ yds, 26 TD's, 5 Ints, (5.2 to 1) 4A FL HS (14-1) State Champs.
15 - QB-PP Jacob Guy 6-5 222 rsJr SQ P-WO *** (FL 5A Playoff Final Four)
17 - #17 QB-PP/TE Anderson Proctor 6-3 209 rsSo P-WO **** (ESPN) Vero Beach
14 - #27 QB-PP Luke Del Rio 6-1 216 rsSo *** WO - UA/OreSt xfer - Colo 5A Champ (2012 Elite 11)
HS Sr - 2,275 yds, 28 TD's, 4 Ints, (7.0 to 1) - Dad/Jack is Oakland Raiders HBC. He's a likely redshirt.
3 - #7 QB-DT/RB Treon Harris 5-11 195 So 1L **** (49.5% - 4.5 ypc) - 2x 4A State Champs
UF- P - 55 of 111, 49.5%, 1,019 yds, 9 TD's, 4 Ints, (2.3 to 1) -- R - 75, 338 yds, 4.5 ypc 3 TD's.
7 - #2 QB-DT Will Grier 6-2 215 rsFr SQ ***** (Parade HS PoY, #2 QB-DT at Elite 11)
Passing - 14,565 yds, 195 TD's, 27 Ints. (7.2 to 1)
Rushing - 2,955 yds, 31 TD's, 7 LPF's.
3 Year HS Career Offense: 17,520 yards, 226 TD's, 34 Turnovers (6.65 to 1 TD/Turnover Ratio).
13 - QB-PP Brian Fallace 6-4 206 4.57/40 rsFr *** WO - Melbourne (5A) Satellite Beach - SPARQ 69.78
22 - QB-DT Harry 'Quint' Gornto IV 6-2 195 Fr *** P-WO - Fort Walton Beach (FL 6A Playoff Final Four)
Nike Sparq score 102.6. (New Orleans, March 2014). The #1 QB through 6 Sparq combines and #38 overall (over 7000 athletes) Nike Combine (N.O.) All Combine Team (at QB) March 2014.
He's in the International Baccalaureate (IB) college prep program, maintains a 4.2 GPA, and he made a 33 on the ACT.
(Wuerffel won the Draddy, Tebow won the re-named Campbell, jus-sayin')
Maybe it should be Gornto-Grady as the 2015 back-ups for Grier-Harris.
When some xfer out (always do), it won't be a 2016 roster killer imo.
I'd LOVE for Grier to put up Danny Wuerffel type numbers.
I'd also be fine if Harris played the role that Tebow did with Leak.
I'd also be fine if Harris played the role that Tebow did with Leak.
Speaking of Danny Wonderful, one wonders if this game might be a Danny W/Terry Dean kind of game with both QBs? If so, I wonder who will play the role of Danny W and which receivers will be Doering?
I hate the fact that it's a night game. Something crazy always happens to us in SEC night games,(remember the Tebow concussion)! Not to mention those damn Tucky hillbillies will be chugging White Lightning all day before the kick-off.
This one is gonna be fun folks.
This one is gonna be fun folks.
Geez Louise...everybody acts like they expect the freshman to be like perfect or Danny W or something. Give the dude a break. And sadgator's got sobering news for everybody...it ain't like we're contending for a National Championship or anything (or even ranked). If he screws up and blows the game, it'll suck, but you gotta earn your stripes. And that means you gotta eat it sometimes...Regardless of what happens...He's the future...
I've thought so since Grier was in HS, but we'll see. I'm still open to others competing and winning the job, beginning tomorrow night.
Sometimes the trick is to not 'pre-judge' their talent levels, but to just go by their demonstrated performance on the field after they get here.
Do that, and 'giving a break' is not necessary.
IMOHO, every position (including QB) should be open to be won by the best performance. Deciding in any other manner is not long term team building.
Sometimes the trick is to not 'pre-judge' their talent levels, but to just go by their demonstrated performance on the field after they get here.
Do that, and 'giving a break' is not necessary.
IMOHO, every position (including QB) should be open to be won by the best performance. Deciding in any other manner is not long term team building.
Yeah, he better not throw multiple interceptions against Kentucky as a redshirt freshman. Can never go on to win SEC titles or be a great QB if he does. <wink>
Exactly. Danny and Terry sucked in that game right up until that last drive. That game was so frustrating to watch. Who could ever have imagined what Danny would eventually become. Good thing nobody threw him on the trash heap too quickly.
He has been prone to it in practice also supposedly. Of course he will get to show what he is made of but you can't just write Treon off if he ends up being the better option with this team.
Wuerffel as terrible in practice as well and Spurrier even said as much plenty of times. He was a gamer. Grier is a redshirt freshmen. I suggest giving him a bit of a chance.
Tebow and Wuerffel were both known to be bums in practice sometimes
Jon Brantley though...he was an All American in practice.
Good for thought.
Jon Brantley though...he was an All American in practice.
Good for thought.
He did in the first half until he was inexplicably yanked.
You're in a 10-7 dogfight near the half. Your QB has picked up where he left off a week ago...on the money. Pull him. Giving the other guy his shot > winning
LOL@ this narrative that Treon being inserted somehow ruin Grier's play. Treon got exactly 10 snaps in the first half and then was yanked. Grier then started the second half and played into the 4th when the offense became ineffective again and then Treon was put in. Somehow Treon's 10 plays in the fist half ruined the offense for basically three quarters. Ok. You guys' bias continually show. I'm sure Mac was more concerned about his QB rotation that winning, makes so much sense.
Grier hit two defenders in the numbersthat would have been sure picks in conference. I have no issue with Grier being the starter, he likely should be. However, we need not pretend he ia Danny or Tim........long ways to go!
The funny thing is it's very, very obvious that Mac wants Grier to be the starter. He ran the 1st team in the spring. He got most of the reps with the 1st team in the fall which is why many people were surprised Harris got the start for game 1. Grier has also gotten more reps in games and have now started two games to Harris' one, yet people act as if Mac is mistreating Grier or that he wants to keep this QB substitution going.
It's pretty obvious he wants Grier to be the guy, but he's making him earn it the hard way. Which is what he should be doing. It will pay off down the road. The crazy part is that Muschamp got killed for giving Driskel the job and running off all his competiton and its like people want Mac to do the same thing with Grier. I guess people don't have an issue with a guy being handed the job as long as it's the guy THEY want being handed the job. Go figure.
It's pretty obvious he wants Grier to be the guy, but he's making him earn it the hard way. Which is what he should be doing. It will pay off down the road. The crazy part is that Muschamp got killed for giving Driskel the job and running off all his competiton and its like people want Mac to do the same thing with Grier. I guess people don't have an issue with a guy being handed the job as long as it's the guy THEY want being handed the job. Go figure.
Go look at the 2nd throw, it was a CLEAR hold and mini tackled by ECU's awful sloppy white DB and it didn't get called as he just flat out grabbed and held onto worton for dear life. Then, of course, the very first play of ECU's next possession was a penalty on Morrison for doing half of what they did on 3rd. It's immaculate how officials nitpick Florida's games against their favor, it's obviously never going to end.
Up until this point I think that Treon has played a little better...probably with more poise. I've actually been impressed with Treon's accuracy with the football and I don't think that Treon is so much better of an athlete than Grier but he's a patient running and he knows exactly how and when to run...he's a really smart runner. I noticed that last week...he doesn't take big hits and he just kind of slides around the field and finds little seams to get yards that don't appear to be there. Treon also has throws a good deep ball so far too. Having said that I think that Grier is a much better passer, because of that IMO Grier is going to probably throw a couple of picks that Treon won't but that's mainly because Treon isn't as confident throwing the ball. Grier just anticipates the throw better and gets the ball out on time more often. I think that the one thing that's really hard to measure is if Grier really is a gamer...he's had little time on the field in the game where Treon played half of the year last year. I think that there is some merit to letting these guys play..pulling them and putting them back in isn't a good thing...I've seen it effect Treon some but I think that he's handled the rotation a little better than Grier has so far. It's so hard to really say who the best guy is...but if the coaches think that Grier has a much higher ceiling then they need to leave him in and let him get his 'sea legs'.
I wondered if there was something that I didn't see on those plays, if there was some misscommunication or if Grier was just that far off. So far he had been really accurate with the ball so it seemed kind of weird.
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