Serious question for FSU fans

[TJtheGator]

Notice no $ in FSU. And no insults.

This thread is serious talk.




What happens if Norvell’s first season is a losing season? Be it 5-7 with missing a bowl, or a heartbreaker in a bowl game, what happens if the final record is under .500?

Is Willie to blame? Jimbo? The administration?

I know the wheels were in motion for Willie after Wake game due to “lack of progress.” If Norvell struggles, was Willie right that not enough time was given?

I know you all hope Norvell is the one, but there isn’t overwhelming evidence in his favor to call it at this point.

Lets get some opinions.

 

[fsumc]

It’s never usually just one thing. Between Jimbo giving up and hiring Willie the table was set for disaster. If we go 5-7 again but we play with at least some sense of discipline I won’t be happy but it will at least be a good sign. Jimbo’s personal life aside his evaluation of players became stale. I felt like he was star chasing. He brought in too many bad apples. He wouldn’t make the right staff changes. Couple that with Willie and we are what we are right now.

5-7 could happen. But any signs of fight and discipline and I’ll be patient. The roster is G5 level right now. This is gonna take a minute to turn around.

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

No way they are under .500 imo. I mean - Willie had their team looking like the football program started 2 years ago. Just a competent coach in the ACC will will 7 games next year no problem.

 

[TJtheGator]

No way they are under .500 imo. I mean - Willie had their team looking like the football program started 2 years ago. Just a competent coach in the ACC will will 7 games next year no problem.

You have to at least acknowledge the possibility.

How many FSU fans would have agreed that 18 and 19 would be losing seasons if someone predicted it when Willie was hired?

It took a rescheduled game in 17 coupled with a weak bowl opponent (Zona state 19 not weak) to avoid a losing season that year which could have FSU 3 straight years under .500.

I’m not predicting it. I’m asking what happens with Norvell if it does.

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

Got it.

If it happens it's on Norvell imo. Yes you need to turn around the culture but they still have Top 10 talent in house...even if they drop to total team talent at like 15 or so - the ACC is the equalizer. Any good coach that pays attention to the little things wins 8 games there next year imo.

 

[GatorNation79]

It’s never usually just one thing. Between Jimbo giving up and hiring Willie the table was set for disaster. If we go 5-7 again but we play with at least some sense of discipline I won’t be happy but it will at least be a good sign. Jimbo’s personal life aside his evaluation of players became stale. I felt like he was star chasing. He brought in too many bad apples. He wouldn’t make the right staff changes. Couple that with Willie and we are what we are right now.

5-7 could happen. But any signs of fight and discipline and I’ll be patient. The roster is G5 level right now. This is gonna take a minute to turn around.

That's how I felt about Mullen, if the direction looked positive 8 wins were good for me the first year, it was a major rebuilding effort for us. I think you guys aren't as bad but need some work.

Mullen had coached in the SEC as a HBC for 9 years and 4 years before that...have to see if Norvell can handle the pressure. Sounds like a good coach. Pends on his staff too. He did great at Memphis...I would expect him having success in Tally.

 

[sadgator]

Novell is a good coach...hate to admit it...but he will have them turned around quickly....

 

[Jeff from Jax]

Novell is a good coach...hate to admit it...but he will have them turned around quickly....

Sad,

People said the same about Taggart.

If Novell doesn't turn things around quickly, or at least establish a sense of positive change going forward, he will be gone quickly.

FSU would be stuck with the 2nd bad coaching hire in a row & out of options - like Gators were when Mullen came in.

IMO, FSU won't/can't give Novell the benefit of time since their finances reputed to be on shaky ground & ticket sales & donations likely to nosedive with another losing season or two.

 

[Dr. Nole]

Notice no $ in FSU. And no insults.

This thread is serious talk.




What happens if Norvell’s first season is a losing season? Be it 5-7 with missing a bowl, or a heartbreaker in a bowl game, what happens if the final record is under .500?

Is Willie to blame? Jimbo? The administration?

I know the wheels were in motion for Willie after Wake game due to “lack of progress.” If Norvell struggles, was Willie right that not enough time was given?

I know you all hope Norvell is the one, but there isn’t overwhelming evidence in his favor to call it at this point.

Lets get some opinions.

If Norvell struggles this season, which I expect...if he at least seems like he’s aware then that will be a step up from this past season +.
Our last coach just seemed oblivious on the sidelines.

 

[4th & 14]

There is not top 10 talent at FSU. The OL alone is one of the worst in P5. Its putrid. Like driving a car with three wheels. Hard to do much and affects the entire team. Theres talent in spots but there are gaping holes in a lot of places.

 

[NavigatorII]

Sad,

People said the same about Taggart.

If Novell doesn't turn things around quickly, or at least establish a sense of positive change going forward, he will be gone quickly.

FSU would be stuck with the 2nd bad coaching hire in a row & out of options - like Gators were when Mullen came in.

IMO, FSU won't/can't give Novell the benefit of time since their finances reputed to be on shaky ground & ticket sales & donations likely to nosedive with another losing season or two.

I think Norvell will be fine. He may not win more than 5 games next year, but I expect at least 7. That idiot Taggert left him an empty cupboard, by the state of Florida standards. Taggert is the consummate village idiot, his lethal simplicity and gay turnover chains and so forth. It may take Norvell 3 years to get them back to being competitive on a national level again, depends on how their defense grows with the offense. I think their D suffers under Norvell, much like Miss State will with Leach. O will be good, not so much on D.

 

[LizardGrad89]

No way they are under .500 imo. I mean - Willie had their team looking like the football program started 2 years ago. Just a competent coach in the ACC will will 7 games next year no problem.

I was gonna agree with this, but, looking at their schedule, I dunno. It's medium difficult.

West Virginia in Atlanta, Boise in Boise, UF, Clemson. Could easily go 1-3 or worse there.

They do have Samford, that's a W, so 2-3 (although you only beat them by 10 in 2018, so...).

At Louisville, at Miami, at NC State, at Syracuse. Can they split? I mean, NC State, Miami and 'Cuse won the last time they hosted FSU, and Louisville played them tough. A split would be an improvement. So maybe 4-5.

Three other home ACC games. Gotta go at least 2-1 to be bowl eligible.

It's a pretty tough schedule for a new coach and staff that needs to find a QB, and well, about 18 other guys. They got a couple really good ones, but only a couple.

 

[GatorNation79]

You have to at least acknowledge the possibility.

How many FSU fans would have agreed that 18 and 19 would be losing seasons if someone predicted it when Willie was hired?

It took a rescheduled game in 17 coupled with a weak bowl opponent (Zona state 19 not weak) to avoid a losing season that year which could have FSU 3 straight years under .500.

I’m not predicting it. I’m asking what happens with Norvell if it does.

He'll be on the hot seat.

 

[SeaPA]

We certainly don't have top 10 talent; maybe talent level at the back end of the top 20. With good coaching, the defense has the potential to be fairly good - the interior DL is very talented, and there's a ton of raw talent in the secondary. LB & DE are weak spots.
Offense is one huge question mark. OL is not good, but has a lot of young guys that we need to hope develop into decent players. QB is shaky at best, and we might end up starting a true freshman TB.

For Norvell, if the record isn't good a lot will depend on whether there are signs of progress. Are we competitive? Do we look organized, or do we look like a Friday evening Happy Hour intramurals team that can't figure out how to properly line up & have the right number of players on the field? Do we get to the 10th game before playing a guy who instantly shows that he's the 2nd or 3rd most explosive player on the offensive roster?

 

[GatorNation79]

We certainly don't have top 10 talent; maybe talent level at the back end of the top 20. With good coaching, the defense has the potential to be fairly good - the interior DL is very talented, and there's a ton of raw talent in the secondary. LB & DE are weak spots.
Offense is one huge question mark. OL is not good, but has a lot of young guys that we need to hope develop into decent players. QB is shaky at best, and we might end up starting a true freshman TB.

For Norvell, if the record isn't good a lot will depend on whether there are signs of progress. Are we competitive? Do we look organized, or do we look like a Friday evening Happy Hour intramurals team that can't figure out how to properly line up & have the right number of players on the field? Do we get to the 10th game before playing a guy who instantly shows that he's the 2nd or 3rd most explosive player on the offensive roster?

I think that's the thing...do you look better, more disciplined but I would expect the offense to look better...even with a not so great O Line and no great options at QB. Norvell runs a great scheme. If that picks up you'll start getting the players that you need but it's going to be a 2 year rebuild. It's not going to happen in a season...Jimbo's last year was not good and Willie ran it into the ground. It doesn't help that UF is on the rise but there is a lot of talent in Tally...even some of the best programs in the country (Bama) has holes in their game or inexperienced positions every year but they find a way to win. The better coaches and their staff figure it out. You'll know 4-5 games in what next season is about. The good thing for FSU is that Willie is gone....his tenure at the state capital couldn't have been worse.

I did enjoy it though lol

 

[hardliner]

Besides rival smack no one cares if you lose a bowl to have a "losing season." Here's a question. If FSU had beaten ASU, which the stats suggested should have happened, would you have a completely different opinion about them? Probably not.

As for the question. With Marvin Wilson, Nasrideen and Terry coming back the expectations will be higher. Unless the team has ridiculous injury luck like this past year they will make a bowl easily.

 

[FSUATT]

There is not top 10 talent at FSU. The OL alone is one of the worst in P5. Its putrid. Like driving a car with three wheels. Hard to do much and affects the entire team. Theres talent in spots but there are gaping holes in a lot of places.

I have to agree. We have talent in certain areas, but the OL is going to take a few years to fix. We are very average at QB, so hopefully one of the new QB's we signed will be the answer, but it will take a few years to get him ready. On defense, we desperately need a couple of good pass rushers, which we currently don't have on the team. If Norvell at least has the team playing hard and disciplined next year, I will be happy even if the record is not that good. I figure we are at least 2 years away from being able to compete with you guys.

 

[GatorGray]

If Norvell struggles, you can bet I'll dust off one of my nole screen names and head right over to warchant.

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

I have to agree. We have talent in certain areas, but the OL is going to take a few years to fix. We are very average at QB, so hopefully one of the new QB's we signed will be the answer, but it will take a few years to get him ready. On defense, we desperately need a couple of good pass rushers, which we currently don't have on the team. If Norvell at least has the team playing hard and disciplined next year, I will be happy even if the record is not that good. I figure we are at least 2 years away from being able to compete with you guys.

That's about right. When I suggest you have Top 10 talent, I'm really saying you have plenty of talent to compete in the ACC - didn't mean it literally. I think last year Clemson had a Top 3 recruiting class and FSU had the 2nd best ACC recruiting class, at like #17 I think.

Just making this point - FSU will have more talent on paper than all but 1 or 2 of the teams it plays next year. That doesn't mean it's a 10 win season but I'd expect better than .500, per the original post.

 

[fsumc]

If Norvell struggles, you can bet I'll dust off one of my nole screen names and head right over to warchant.

One more bad season and that place becomes North Korea. It’s already the Soviet Union right now.

 

[LizardGrad89]

One more bad season and that place becomes North Korea. It’s already the Soviet Union right now.

It'll be run by a short fat guy?

So Terry Bowden will be the new AD?

 

[alaskanseminole]

It was never the losing...in and of itself, it was the obvious lack of discipline or ability to progress any part of the program (except for graduation rates...which is VERY important). It's one thing to get beat...it's an entirely different thing to not even compete. FSU should have been able to out-athlete most of the ACC. If Norvell can show us progress and give us hope, I could handle a losing season considering Willie took the $hit sandwich Jimbo gave him and added salt.

It's encouraging seeing some of the senior players hitting the transfer portal...tells me some of these kids don't want to start working...want that easy street...a life of dancing and pink back packs. As far as I'm concerned, CMN can load the team up, drive 'em to Junction, TX and work 'em until the pass out.

 

[fsu939913]

Notice no $ in FSU. And no insults.

This thread is serious talk.




What happens if Norvell’s first season is a losing season? Be it 5-7 with missing a bowl, or a heartbreaker in a bowl game, what happens if the final record is under .500?

Is Willie to blame? Jimbo? The administration?

I know the wheels were in motion for Willie after Wake game due to “lack of progress.” If Norvell struggles, was Willie right that not enough time was given?

I know you all hope Norvell is the one, but there isn’t overwhelming evidence in his favor to call it at this point.

Lets get some opinions.

I think it matters how it goes down. Altho, 5 and 7 should never happen at FSU or UF. I actually agree with you, there is not a lot of evidence to suggest that he is the one but he is a winner and has done well at every stop before this. Our main problem is QB and that isnt changing unless a true freshman steps up(not rly thinking that happens). I think if he wins 8 games, damn that would feel good. Beat Miami (they suck) , keep it close with UF and dont get manhandled by Clemson. I think its highly likely we look better than the last 2 yrs(how the fvck could it look worse) but i dont think we are winning championships next yr or anything lol.


To answer your question, no Willie was not given enough time but at the same time... I dont think it mattered. He sucks. His biggest problem was disorganization. We had no plan as a program, our practices were notoriously relaxed and just "having fun". You would pass out if u heard the same shit about your program.

 

[alaskanseminole]

(how the fvck could it look worse)

Another year with that snake oil salesman, WT, we'd have probably found out.

 

[TexanNole]

I don’t know what the record will be, but Norvell will have the team organized, disciplined and competitive.

This will be our 4th OL coach in as many years and our 4th new offensive scheme too so I don’t expect a great record improvement. We need a major upgrade at QB before real strides are possible.

I do think Norvell is a very good young HC and will flourish at FSU.