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SAD-per Billy-"I see opportunity" "The key is we learn from these experiences,” - $39 MM reasons for patience ? OR A Serious Golden Parachute ?

Jeff from Jax

Jeff from Jax

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https://auburnwire.usatoday.com/lists/bryan-harsin-buyout-sec-head-coach-salaries/

I don't actually think Billy is trying to pull a Jimbo Fisher, BUT

these numbers, as the Bard of Avon said,

"Must Give Us Pause" !

Billy Napier

2022 Salary: $7,270,000

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2022 Buyout: $39,000,833​


Granted it would be paid out over a number of years, but I could put a hell of a roof over my head & eat some great meals while f**k*ng off for the rest of my life.
 
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"The key is we learn from these experiences,” he said. “Not only the players, but all parts of our organization. We'll turn the page and work harder than ever."

SAD Please Remember & Enjoy This -

$39 MM
 
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SAD

Open your eyes !

Look at life through Billy's eyes !
Can't you see it ?
Embrace the future of the Gator football program !

Napier -
"I see opportunity.
What I'm observing in there, I think is a positive for the Gators.

We've got to learn from these experiences — not only the players but also all parts of our organization."

https://247sports.com/college/flori...ds-to-improve-entering-2023-season-200814085/
 
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Look, sadgator’ll be honest, he likes Napier. Seems like a genuine dude who has been through some rough times in life. sadgator is sure that he is a quality guy who sets a great example…

But if we have learned anything over the past 22 or so years, it’s that you don’t come to Florida as the head football coach to “learn.”

Can you and should you grow from the experiences you have…of course…but Florida is a place where you should know what you are doing…sadgator fears that this is another “learn on the job” scenario…

and given that Florida was progressively worse as the season went on, it doesn’t bode well for the learning process…so far.
 
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sadgator said:
Look, sadgator’ll be honest, he likes Napier. Seems like a genuine dude who has been through some rough times in life. sadgator is sure that he is a quality guy who sets a great example…

But if we have learned anything over the past 22 or so years, it’s that you don’t come to Florida as the head football coach to “learn.”

Can you and should you grow from the experiences you have…of course…but Florida is a place where you should know what you are doing…sadgator fears that this is another “learn on the job” scenario…

and given that Florida was progressively worse as the season went on, it doesn’t bode well for the learning process…so far.
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Here’s my take. He’s a first year at a major program. Is it too big a stage for him? Don’t know but one thing I think he did was rely to much on his LA transfers. They were in the Sun Belt for a reason. But a couple at least did do well which speaks to what Mullen wasn’t doing recruiting.

The decline as the season wore on is depth related. It’s a long year and you have to rotate. It’s what Bama and Georgia do from the first game. He may end up being a good hire it’s too soon to know.
 
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sadgator said:
Look, sadgator’ll be honest, he likes Napier. Seems like a genuine dude who has been through some rough times in life. sadgator is sure that he is a quality guy who sets a great example…

But if we have learned anything over the past 22 or so years, it’s that you don’t come to Florida as the head football coach to “learn.”

Can you and should you grow from the experiences you have…of course…but Florida is a place where you should know what you are doing…sadgator fears that this is another “learn on the job” scenario…

and given that Florida was progressively worse as the season went on, it doesn’t bode well for the learning process…so far.
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When he says we need to learn I’m pretty sure he’s talking about his players. He’s not going to throw them under the bus as some have done in the past.
 
GwinnettDawg said:
Here’s my take. He’s a first year at a major program. Is it too big a stage for him? Don’t know but one thing I think he did was rely to much on his LA transfers. They were in the Sun Belt for a reason. But a couple at least did do well which speaks to what Mullen wasn’t doing recruiting.

The decline as the season wore on is depth related. It’s a long year and you have to rotate. It’s what Bama and Georgia do from the first game. He may end up being a good hire it’s too soon to know.
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He probably should have went after more players in the portal because except for players following him Pearsall was about the only good player we got in the portal I think.
 
GwinnettDawg said:
Here’s my take. He’s a first year at a major program. Is it too big a stage for him? Don’t know but one thing I think he did was rely to much on his LA transfers. They were in the Sun Belt for a reason. But a couple at least did do well which speaks to what Mullen wasn’t doing recruiting.

The decline as the season wore on is depth related. It’s a long year and you have to rotate. It’s what Bama and Georgia do from the first game. He may end up being a good hire it’s too soon to know.
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What I find interesting is that O'Cyrus Torrence, a 3-star linemen out of high school who came with Napier from Louisiana, turned out to be a first team All-American this year, which makes him the best linemen on the Gator team on either side of the ball. What does that tell us about Dan Mullen's recruiting and player development? Also, RB Montrell Johnson, along with true freshman Trevor Etienne, were better than any running back on the team. You said the same thing.

While I'm concerned about Napier being overextended by taking on the role of head coach, OC & QB Coach, as well as scratching my head sometimes about in-game decisions, I'm willing to give him a couple more years of recruiting his guys and letting his "system" (whatever that is) develop and play out before saying he's not our guy. Remember, most so-called experts pick the Gators to go 7-5 this year. After the Utah win everybody's hopes got unrealistically inflated and losing our last 3 games was a huge disappointment. But let's see what happens over the next few months and then see how 2023 plays out. We will never get back to the level of Spurrier and Meyer if we keep changing coaches every 3-4 years.
 
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GwinnettDawg said:
Here’s my take. He’s a first year at a major program. Is it too big a stage for him? Don’t know but one thing I think he did was rely to much on his LA transfers. They were in the Sun Belt for a reason. But a couple at least did do well which speaks to what Mullen wasn’t doing recruiting.

The decline as the season wore on is depth related. It’s a long year and you have to rotate. It’s what Bama and Georgia do from the first game. He may end up being a good hire it’s too soon to know.
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I agree with this. Our 3 portal players were our best offensive players. Candidly he needed to do more because as you pointed out depth is much needed to be elite. Look at some of those nole and cane teams from late 80s thru 90s and then flash forward to Bama, Clemson and now GA. Next guy up is in a lot of cases better than man that just went down. Bottom line is this was the least talented Gator team in decades. Now we need to see what Napier can do about it in year 2. We will know about half way through next year.
 
EvilWayz said:
The first Gator to win a Heisman, coach a Heisman winner and win a Natty is still on campus. If you must learn on the job, the guy who's been to the mountaintop would probably give you some advice, for free...
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Evil,

If Billy cant find the room for an on the field QBC, perhaps he should make arrangements with the S & S QB Academy - Steve Spurrier & Shane Matthews !
 
Countygator1 said:
I agree with this. Our 3 portal players were our best offensive players. Candidly he needed to do more because as you pointed out depth is much needed to be elite. Look at some of those nole and cane teams from late 80s thru 90s and then flash forward to Bama, Clemson and now GA. Next guy up is in a lot of cases better than man that just went down. Bottom line is this was the least talented Gator team in decades. Now we need to see what Napier can do about it in year 2. We will know about half way through next year.
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Might be year three. Otherwise you are asking a lot of freshmen to step up and that’s not usually how it works other option is that development kicks in with the guys you have. You, and all of us, need that to be successful.
 
sadgator said:
Look, sadgator’ll be honest, he likes Napier. Seems like a genuine dude who has been through some rough times in life. sadgator is sure that he is a quality guy who sets a great example…

But if we have learned anything over the past 22 or so years, it’s that you don’t come to Florida as the head football coach to “learn.”

Can you and should you grow from the experiences you have…of course…but Florida is a place where you should know what you are doing…sadgator fears that this is another “learn on the job” scenario…

and given that Florida was progressively worse as the season went on, it doesn’t bode well for the learning process…so far.
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Nappier, Ast. coaches, and the largest staff in UF history, did what for progress across the season?


W - NR UF 29 - 26 #7 Utah

L - NR UF 16 - 26 NR UK - Lost @ home to kensucky.

W- NR UF 31 - 28 NR USF - By the hairs on the FG kickers chinny chin-chin...

L - NR UF 33 - 38 @ #6 Tennis-sea - a good showing, loss...

W - NR UF 52 - 17 E.Wash - Patsy blow-out.

W - NR UF 24 - 17 NR Mizz - Ho-hum

L -NR UF 35 - 45 #17 LSU - To 1st year Jelly-Belly-Kelly

L - NR UF 20 - 42 #1 UGly -- Neutral Site

W - NR UF 41 - 24 @ NR aTm - A joke on Jimblow.

W - NR UF 38 - 6 #19 SCa -- Won when they should have lost.

L - NR UF 24 - 31 @ NR Vandy -- Lost when they should have won.

L - NR UF 38 - 45 @ #13 FSUcks

L - NR UF 3 - 30 #14 OreSt -- Neutral Site Bowl

Record -- Loser 6-7, 3-5 SEC.
Went 2-5 vs Top 25 Ranked teams.

The Season resulted in Inverse Progress:
W (Sept) - NR UF 29 - 26 #7 Utah - (+3)
L (Dec) -- NR UF 3 - 30 #14 OreSt -- Neutral Site (-27)
They began a lot better than they finished, which can't be called progress....

The iG's OHO - Jack Miller could be a decent QB for a 'decent' team.
But he will never be a Great QB for any team.
He's only a slightly better passer than AR, without AR's legs.
If 6-7-8 win seasons are the goal, then he's the game manager you need....
 
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Nicktheslick said:
When he says we need to learn I’m pretty sure he’s talking about his players. He’s not going to throw them under the bus as some have done in the past.
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Yeah, but they’re not learning…

and who are the players that are learning anyway?…if our roster needs to turn over so quickly, what does it matter if the guys here now learn anything?
 
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ocalaman said:
Mike Bianchi's all in on Billy Napier. Bianchi has been bloviating for a long, long time and likes to be controversial. And many people don't like the guy. But he's got an opinion, just like the rest of us. So I read it and am passing it along.
www.hastingstribune.com

Mike Bianchi: Florida craps out in Vegas, but Billy Napier will soon hit jackpot

Don’t fret, Gator Nation.
www.hastingstribune.com www.hastingstribune.com
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sadgator appreciates Bianchi’s optimism, but it isn’t based on anything objective that happened on the field this year…

The best thing you can say about Napier is that his team did not quit on him until the final game…which is a positive…

The reality is that Florida just went 6-7 in back to back years…

Looking at next year’s 2023 schedule, it is hard to imagine this team going any better than 6-6 in the “regular” season…and headed to another irrelevant bowl game that nobody (players and fans alike) wants to be associated with…

It will be hard to build momentum after that…but we’ll see…
 
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SAD,

Totally Agree !

"...The reality is that Florida just went 6-7 in back to back years…

Looking at next year’s 2023 schedule, it is hard to imagine this team going any better than 6-6 in the “regular” season…and headed to another irrelevant bowl game that nobody (players and fans alike) wants to be associated with…"

Bill Parcells — ‘you are what your record says you are’

Fever is looking / hoping for 8-4 - but I don't see it.

Even if we start Rashada immediately - which makes WAY more sense then wasting resources on another NON SEC quality portal QB - we will be an also ran in the SEC East next year -
BUT
Rashada can start learning & getting better.

List all the transfer QBs Gators have had in the last 20 years & tell me if any of them have been any good.

Our Defense will not improve enough - good recruits - assuming they all sign - but way too young.

Offensive play calling & game management questionable, at best.

Staff changes needed desperately.
 
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SAD,

Totally Agree !

The reality is that Florida just went 6-7 in back to back years…

Looking at next year’s 2023 schedule, it is hard to imagine this team going any better than 6-6 in the “regular” season…and headed to another irrelevant bowl game that nobody (players and fans alike) wants to be associated with…

Bill Parcells — ‘you are what your record says you are’
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I can see 8-4 if he can get McCall here for next season.

Speaking of the portal what the heck is going on there? When looking at these sites except for that guy we already signed and McCall it doesn't show us going after any 4 star or 3 star transfers while teams like Kentucky and other opponents of ours are going after all kinds of 4 star and 3 star transfers.
 
Gator Fever said:
I can see 8-4 if he can get McCall here for next season.

Speaking of the portal what the heck is going on there? When looking at these sites except for that guy we already signed and McCall it doesn't show us going after any 4 star or 3 star transfers while teams like Kentucky and other opponents of ours are going after all kinds of 4 star and 3 star transfers.
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Fever,

Most players are in the portal for a reason. As you pointed out with regard to Mullen - many of his 4* recruits were NOT SEC caliber.

How many TPP (Transfer Portal Players) are any better than the players still on our roster
OR
as good as the recruits coming in ?
 
Big buyouts, coaching contracts, and ESD are why the game has changed drastically for first yr head coaches.
 
SAD,

"Paul Finebaum joined the guys on Mac and Cube and discussed why he views Billy Napier's first season with the Gators as a disaster."

As usual, Finebaum portrays Capt. Obvious extremely well.

When he goes on another show, Finebaum's SHTICK is to be obnoxious & conceited.

He is also repeating many of the comments posted on this board.
LOL

Not sure it was a total disaster.

Billy has not quit - he is still out busting his ASS to recruit SEC quality players to the Gators.

Team played hard until 2nd half of L V Bowl; everything went Sour at that point.

Jimbo had a similiar experience this year, when he lost to Appy State & then lost 6 SEC games in a row finishing 5-7 !

Gators had a much better record; 6-7 !
 
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Fever,

Most players are in the portal for a reason. As you pointed out with regard to Mullen - many of his 4* recruits were NOT SEC caliber.

How many TPP (Transfer Portal Players) are any better than the players still on our roster
OR
as good as the recruits coming in ?
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A bunch are better players than some of ours and have shown they can play on the field at a pretty good level already. Michigan the other big team team that is taking the same approach as us not guaranteeing big things NIL wise for high school recruits before they get on campus looks to be getting quite a few 4 star transfers (4 star portal players based on their play/potential in college - not their high school ranking).

If Napier only signs like 2 possible starters in the portal (4 star or strong 3 star portal ranked players) I am going to wonder if he is just being arrogant or if our big boosters are the issue compared to other teams. With Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC you aren't even going to make a 12 Team playoff if you don't keep up some. With # 10 ranked area recruiting classes you have to get some good portal players to have 10 win seasons now in the SEC and make the playoff. Its crazy we finally get facilities upgraded big time and now NIL diminished what that means big time.
 
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A bunch are better players than some of ours and have shown they can play on the field at a pretty good level already. Michigan the other big team team that is taking the same approach as us not guaranteeing big things NIL wise for high school recruits before they get on campus looks to be getting quite a few 4 star transfers (4 star portal players based on their play/potential in college - not their high school ranking).

If Napier only signs like 2 possible starters in the portal (4 star or strong 3 star portal ranked players) I am going to wonder if he is just being arrogant or if our big boosters are the issue compared to other teams. With Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC you aren't even going to make a 12 Team playoff if you don't keep up some. With # 10 ranked area recruiting classes you have to get some good portal players to have 10 win seasons now in the SEC and make the playoff. Its crazy we finally get facilities upgraded big time and now NIL diminished what that means big time.
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He can’t possibly be arrogant because we are sitting at #11 right now with a pretty decent chance of dropping farther down tomorrow. If he is being arrogant about his HS recruiting, he is blind to what the other SEC schools are doing. Heading towards a less than stellar “bump” class.
 
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He can’t possibly be arrogant because we are sitting at #11 right now with a pretty decent chance of dropping farther down tomorrow. If he is being arrogant about his HS recruiting, he is blind to what the other SEC schools are doing. Heading towards a less than stellar “bump” class.
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So you think its the boosters mostly not wanting to buy the real good portal players. I can live with around a # 10 class considering the NIL limitations he has compared to some other SEC schools but we have a real big issue if they won't open the wallet up some to assist that by getting some good portal players to fill holes.

Well they will have to pony up some if they want McCall. Hopefully they will for him and a few others.
 
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