Regarding attrition

[-MDVOL]

A man have met a couple of times at the UT Spring game happens to be a whiz at recording data regarding the UT Program. He was asked about attrition averages for UT on TOS and rather than limit it to just Tennessee, he reviewed it for every Power-5 school beginning in the 2002 class and continuing through the 2014 class with the last update taking place this past spring.


Hope it might help those wondering about attrition an idea of what you might expect.

 

[MJWilliamson]

The norm seems to run between 30% to 45%

 

[instaGATOR]

So, Florida signed 305 and lost 109. In that same time span, tennis-sea signed 327 and lost 143.
Tennis-sea over signed 22 more than UF and then lost 34 more than the UF did.
And btw, he left McElwain off UF's coaches list.

Seems about right to me. Thanks for that critical information..... ---

PS

Denver won 'in spite of' Peyton at QB, not because of it,,, but that's okay because 3 more Gators now have Super Bowl rings....

Hey MD, did Peyton invite you to his NFL retirement party?

 

[rdgtr]

It seems like that the schools (i.e, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, LSU & Vanderbilt) that have the lowest attrition rates tend to give a 4-5 year scholarship to a HS player more often than their competition. If a given player doesn't 'pan out athletically', the other SEC schools seemed to be more cut-throat in running off a scholarship player so that a potentially better player can be signed.

From this data, Vandy also appears to undersign the total amount of players that they could sign.

 

[GatorGray]

The big story here is that you can embed a spreadsheet in the BB code. I had no idea.

 

[-MDVOL]

So, Florida signed 305 and lost 109. In that same time span, tennis-sea signed 327 and lost 143.
Tennis-sea over signed 22 more than UF and then lost 34 more than the UF did.
And btw, he left McElwain off UF's coaches list.

Seems about right to me. Thanks for that critical information..... ---

PS

Denver won 'in spite of' Peyton at QB, not because of it,,, but that's okay because 3 more Gators now have Super Bowl rings....

Hey MD, did Peyton invite you to his NFL retirement party?

Tak, tsk, tsk Pore ole Instantgator. As the date above CLEARLY SHOWS( wrote that LARGE because you old people just don't seem to have the eyesight you used to) This covered the 2002-2014 RECRUITING CLASSES.


Now, WHO was the UF Coach in 2014? It wasn't Mr Ed now was it?

As for Peyton, he has 3 Super Bowl Rings with 2 of them Champions.

Tell me, how many of your Gator Q/Bs have that many?

Oh yeah, that's right. Only ever been 1 Gator Q/B ever to make it and he LOST to Peyton.

As for UT, NO Player ever had his scholarship pulled other than those dismissed for not doing their academic work, disobeying team rules or committing a non misdemeanor type act..(although Kiffrat ran a great many off by telling them that they would never play for him.) UT went through 4 HCs in a 5 year period. 2008-2013 Lots of players didn't want to play for the incoming coach and transferred. Jones has signed a total of 84 recruits with 16 of the 22 in his 1st team already committed with Dooley. Of that 84, he has lost 19 with 12 of those coming from that 2013 class he inherited. The only one from the 2015 class withdrew because his mother suffered a fatal heart attack at the age of 39 and he has spent the last year taking care of his younger brother and sisters. He has a scholarship still waiting in case he is ever able to return. That works out to an attrition rate of 22% and I even included a guy who left early for the NFL Draft because he hadn't gotten his degree in the 3 years he was at UT( he was on schedule however and sports a 3.26 GPA)


Already been attrition from the 2013, 2014 and 2015 classes at UF that have occurred since that chart was updated in Mar of 2015 and there is likely to be some more this spring. Y'all seem to have a hard time holding on to quarterbacks. But other teams are very grateful for your generosity in "sharing the wealth"

 

[46885]

Florida is doomed in year twelve

 

[MJWilliamson]

The big story here is that you can embed a spreadsheet in the BB code. I had no idea.

Go back and look at your recruiting thread, buddy

 

[GatorGray]

Go back and look at your recruiting thread, buddy

A) That's a 10-page thread...not going to review it and
B) I've eaten, slept and had a few adult beverages since then. Probably not going to remember anything from it.

 

[MJWilliamson]

A) That's a 10-page thread...not going to review it and
B) I've eaten, slept and had a few adult beverages since then. Probably not going to remember anything from it.

I think it was on the last page, or next to last one

 

[instaGATOR]

Tak, tsk, tsk Pore ole Instantgator. As the date above CLEARLY SHOWS( wrote that LARGE because you old people just don't seem to have the eyesight you used to) This covered the 2002-2014 RECRUITING CLASSES.

Now, WHO was the UF Coach in 2014? It wasn't Mr Ed now was it?

I guess you missed this in that Page 1 Top Bar in Red -- Updated 3-5-15

And now we have the new thread on 'HOW TO MAKE A MAD-DOG-DOLLIE DISAPPEAR?'
Be sure to go there and do your best 'spin job' to show that your school and Head-BJ are not really the constant, program wide NCAA Rules violators that they appear to be....

 

[bradleygator]

"As for UT, no player ever had his scholarship pulled other than those dismissed for not doing their academic work, disobeying team rules or committing a non misdemeanor type act..."

They even let the rapists stick around!

 

[-MDVOL]

"As for UT, no player ever had his scholarship pulled other than those dismissed for not doing their academic work, disobeying team rules or committing a non misdemeanor type act..."

They even let the rapists stick around!

Another Damned lie.

Unlike the deal with Treon Harris, the two accused of rape were KICKED OFF THE TEAM IMMEDIATELY and are awaiting their trials.

It cost A.J. Johnson being a 1st round pick in the 2015 draft and NFL Career

Both he and Williams COULD have stayed and played under the rules at OTHER schools. Especially Baylor and FSU as charges were not filed until well after the 2014 season was over. BUT, both starters were not allowed to play in the final two games of the season and it cost us the game against Mizzu.

If found guilty, both face 20 years in prison. The trial is being held up due to the prosecution refusing to turn over exculpatory evidence that the defense attorneys say could exonerate the defendants. A local judge ruled that the woman did not have to hand over her phone, twitter and e-mails directly before and after the incident that the defense claims show she went there willingly and bragged about it to her friends.

So his ruling is being appealed and the trial delayed.


As for the only other person mentioned - Trayvon Paulk. He got booted off the team shortly after practice began in 2014 after his girlfriend claimed, then recanted that he had slapped her. Not rape.

Last winter, another player was accused of rape after all the other publicity came out. His name is Von Pearson. He was immediately suspended and barred from the UT Campus. Couldn't go to class even paying his own way. After a 6 month investigation, charges were dismissed after police determined that the woman filed a false report with police. Witness testimony was given that he was NOT at the scene and was in fact, elsewhere at the time of the alleged rape. DNA evidence, that he willingly offered on March wasn't even sent to the lab to match with the rape kit until late July at the insistence of his attorney. That proved he wasn't the one she had sex with. `ONLY then, around the 1st of September was he allowed back on the team.

Hate causes people to say stupid things about those they hate without bothering to take the time to check the facts.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Unlike the deal with Treon Harris, the two accused of rape were KICKED OFF THE TEAM IMMEDIATELY and are awaiting their trials.

Treon was kicked off the team. But unlike with the Tennessee players, his accuser dropped the charges. IOW, it never went to trial.

You are about as uninformed as most FSU fans. And that is hard to do.

 

[-MDVOL]

Treon was kicked off the team. But unlike with the Tennessee players, his accuser dropped the charges. IOW, it never went to trial.

You are about as uninformed as most FSU fans. And that is hard to do.

Yeah, Treon issed what, 2 days of practice?

Muschamp held him out of the following game with LSU due to (correctly IMHO) that it wouldn't look good for the program to have him accused, suspended briefly, have the girl recant, reinstate him and have him play all in the span of less than 1 week.


When I am talking about -KICKED OFF THE TEAM, I am talking about KICKED OFF THE TEAM. Not allowed around any of the athletic facilities, forced to clean out his locker and turn in his playbook. Moved to the general student dorms until his one year guaranteed scholarship ended.

Von Pearson never went to trial either but it cost him 5 months of school, spring and fall practice. He was labeled a rapist by name by the media and his family had to foot the bill for his bail and his attorney. DNA proved him innocent


Trayvon Paulk was accused of slapping his GF and got kicked off the team. Not only did his GF recant, she even went to Jones begging to have Paulk reinstated claiming that she had gotten drunk and was beating on him accusing him of cheating and all he did was hold her hands to stop her. She NEVER even contacted the police. She had contacted the Athletic Department and made her complaint to them.

Didn't matter. He was booted and he was a RB that was needed as at one point, all 4 of the other RBs were injured( due to that crappy OL) and Hurd had to play regardless of reinjuring the same shoulder he had surgery on in the off season. One had broken ribs, another had a broken foot and the 3rd one went down with a high ankle sprain and still Butch refused to take Paulk back as he didn't believe the recant was genuine. Paulk never played a single down at UT.

He was forced to go to Hutchison CC. Don't know where he is now.

 

[-MDVOL]

I guess you missed this in that Page 1 Top Bar in Red -- Updated 3-5-15

And now we have the new thread on 'HOW TO MAKE A MAD-DOG-DOLLIE DISAPPEAR?'
Be sure to go there and do you best 'spin job' to show that your school and Head-BJ are not really the constant, program wide NCAA Rules violators that they appear to be....

And I guess that you can't read a spread sheet.

The UPDATE was in regards to ATTRITION in the 2002 THROUGH the 2014 RECRUITING CLASSES.

More recruits had left from the time Larry 1st wrote the information Jan. 14, 2015 and March 5 of 2015. Having a tiny medulla oblongata is a common affliction, I know. Bobby Bouchet told us. But dang it man, quit showing everybody that you got the tiniest one of all.

 

[MJWilliamson]

MD VOL is as bad as many FSU fans.

Too bad.

 

[46885]

They beat Vandy, UK and Mizzou and the most overrated Big ten team that was still somehow ranked though every game they lost was by like 5 TD's all year... just like the last few years and all the sudden they are back again


They literally are like FSU fans the last few years. They not only think they will beat us again next year, they think they will SMASH us. They lost to treon and driskel fumbling victory formation snaps in 2014 and then the worst game of our defenses season tackling giving up 27 straight 4th down conversions then missing the FG losing by one again. I will never be worried about them just like Kentucky until they beat us. I don't buy their shit for a second once we have any QB that can take a snap and throw it to our teammates. They still have the same pathetic game day coaching that will blow a lead even if they get one like I predicted before our game this year after I saw them play OU and their average at best defense and run heavy offense out of shotgun against our strength.

 

[93nole99]

They literally are like FSU fans the last few years. They not only think they will beat us again next year, they think they will SMASH us.

Hmmmm. FSU won a National title the "past few years" and has beaten UF repeatedly. So why is it UT fans are like FSU fans again?

 

[grommit]

What I pulled away from that chart was that Mark Richt, the only coach at UGLY in the timespan recorded, had the lowest % of attrition of all SEC schools. He brought in players, made sure more of them qualified, avoided prison, and stuck with the team than any other SEC school. That's stability.

And then they fired him.

 

[46885]

FSU fans are holding onto one Championship like it's made up for all the COUNTLESS years of let downs in the ACC.

 

[TexanNole]

They beat Vandy, UK and Mizzou and the most overrated Big ten team that was still somehow ranked though every game they lost was by like 5 TD's all year... just like the last few years and all the sudden they are back again


They literally are like FSU fans the last few years. They not only think they will beat us again next year, they think they will SMASH us. They lost to treon and driskel fumbling victory formation snaps in 2014 and then the worst game of our defenses season tackling giving up 27 straight 4th down conversions then missing the FG losing by one again. I will never be worried about them just like Kentucky until they beat us. I don't buy their shit for a second once we have any QB that can take a snap and throw it to our teammates. They still have the same pathetic game day coaching that will blow a lead even if they get one like I predicted before our game this year after I saw them play OU and their average at best defense and run heavy offense out of shotgun against our strength.

We will smash you again this year. It is just that simple. You smashed us for 6 straight years now it is our turn.

JM is about 2 years of recruiting away from fielding a top team.

 

[46885]

oh is Treon playing QB for fsu again this year?

 

[instaGATOR]

Yap - Yap - Yap,,,, now deal with the reality....


Kate Fagan of espnW talks about the scandal surrounding Peyton Manning and why it was able to stay in a "bubble" within the state of Tennessee for so long. (GoB's rule in no-Knox tennis-sea)

http://espn.go.com/espnw/voices/art...s?ex_cid=2015_bnnr_ESPNWTDFY15_OutbrainD_aqsn

I'm finally beginning to see the impetus for the Mad-Dog-Dollies attitudes and rants.....

From Naughright's sworn testimony, on Page 6: "[Mike Rollo] called me C--t Bumper because I used to work at the Lady Vols and he felt that he referenced it to lesbian activity because that's what lesbians did according to him ... and when I went to complain about him calling me the word C--t Bumper, he said if you don't like it here, you can go back across the street to the Lady Lickers. So for a significant period of time it was only in reference to that as far as in the Lady Vols." (showing a lotta respect for all that Pat did for tennis-sea)

The University of Tennessee marketed Pat Summit's 3rd consecutive NC 1997-98 Lady Vols basketball team with the slogan, 'Raising Another Bumper Class.'

Tebow and Peyton were both in the National News this past week.
I'll take Tim every time over your moon-roid sexual assault Manning....

 

[ftball0129]

And I guess that you can't read a spread sheet.

The UPDATE was in regards to ATTRITION in the 2002 THROUGH the 2014 RECRUITING CLASSES.

More recruits had left from the time Larry 1st wrote the information Jan. 14, 2015 and March 5 of 2015. Having a tiny medulla oblongata is a common affliction, I know. Bobby Bouchet told us. But dang it man, quit showing everybody that you got the tiniest one of all.

Do you troll everyone's boards and obsess negatively about the Gators?! Your hatred for the Gators is legendary and pathetic.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Yeah, Treon issed what, 2 days of practice?

Muschamp held him out of the following game with LSU due to (correctly IMHO) that it wouldn't look good for the program to have him accused, suspended briefly, have the girl recant, reinstate him and have him play all in the span of less than 1 week.


When I am talking about -KICKED OFF THE TEAM, I am talking about KICKED OFF THE TEAM. Not allowed around any of the athletic facilities, forced to clean out his locker and turn in his playbook. Moved to the general student dorms until his one year guaranteed scholarship ended.

Von Pearson never went to trial either but it cost him 5 months of school, spring and fall practice. He was labeled a rapist by name by the media and his family had to foot the bill for his bail and his attorney. DNA proved him innocent


Trayvon Paulk was accused of slapping his GF and got kicked off the team. Not only did his GF recant, she even went to Jones begging to have Paulk reinstated claiming that she had gotten drunk and was beating on him accusing him of cheating and all he did was hold her hands to stop her. She NEVER even contacted the police. She had contacted the Athletic Department and made her complaint to them.

Didn't matter. He was booted and he was a RB that was needed as at one point, all 4 of the other RBs were injured( due to that crappy OL) and Hurd had to play regardless of reinjuring the same shoulder he had surgery on in the off season. One had broken ribs, another had a broken foot and the 3rd one went down with a high ankle sprain and still Butch refused to take Paulk back as he didn't believe the recant was genuine. Paulk never played a single down at UT.

He was forced to go to Hutchison CC. Don't know where he is now.

Oh yes, Tennessee is so pure, so virginal. ROFL.

This is the guy who told me that Tenn had never gotten in trouble with the NCAA, and when I went to the NCAA website and began pulling down and posting UT infractions and penalties to the Dollie site he put me on ignore. The truth didn't fit with his inner monologue, I guess.

 

[instaGATOR]

While player attrition can become a problem for a sport/program, it's not as bad as having a large coaching turnover.

UF has had 3 different HBC's since 2010.
And on a 10 man staff, the assistant coaching changes have been the worst:

2009 - 2 -- Meyer - SECe-C (13-1)
2010 - 4 (8-5)

2011 - 8 -- Muschamp (7-6 his 1st season)
2012 - 3
2013 - 3
2014 - 4 (18 assistant coaching turnovers for WM - 28-21)

2015 - 9 --McElwain SECe-C (only kept OL Summers - 10-4 1st season)
2016 - 1 (JM replaced DB's Kirk Callahan with Torrian Gray)

Since the 2009 (on-again, off-again) Meyer debacle, UF has had 3 HBC's and 34 different assistant coaches. That turnover has resulted in a 60-31 W/L record over those 7 seasons (9-4 ave).

Over that 7 season coaching fiasco span:
UF 7-0 Tennis-sea --
UF 4-3 UGA
--- UF 2-2 Mizz ---
UF 3-4 SCa
UF 2-5 FSUcks (and the worm will be turning soon again)

That's what having 41 different coaches (total) can do for you over a 7 year period.

 

[nail1988]

And I guess that you can't read a spread sheet.

The UPDATE was in regards to ATTRITION in the 2002 THROUGH the 2014 RECRUITING CLASSES.

More recruits had left from the time Larry 1st wrote the information Jan. 14, 2015 and March 5 of 2015. Having a tiny medulla oblongata is a common affliction, I know. Bobby Bouchet told us. But dang it man, quit showing everybody that you got the tiniest one of all.

 

[-MDVOL]

While player attrition can become a problem for a sport/program, it's not as bad as having a large coaching turnover.

UF has had 3 different HBC's since 2010.
And on a 10 man staff, the assistant coaching changes have been the worst:

2009 - 2 -- Meyer - SECe-C (13-1)
2010 - 4 (8-5)

2011 - 8 -- Muschamp (7-6 his 1st season)
2012 - 3
2013 - 3
2014 - 4 (18 assistant coaching turnovers for WM - 28-21)

2015 - 9 --McElwain SECe-C (only kept OL Summers - 10-4 1st season)
2016 - 1 (JM replaced DB's Kirk Callahan with Torrian Gray)

Since the 2009 (on-again, off-again) Meyer debacle, UF has had 3 HBC's and 34 different assistant coaches. That turnover has resulted in a 60-31 W/L record over those 7 seasons (9-4 ave).

Over that 7 season coaching fiasco span:
UF 7-0 Tennis-sea --
UF 4-3 UGA
--- UF 2-2 Mizz ---
UF 3-4 SCa
UF 2-5 FSUcks (and the worm will be turning soon again)

That's what having 41 different coaches (total) can do for you over a 7 year period.

DUH, you didn't seem to grasp that point when UT had FOUR H/Cs in a FIVE year Period 2008-2013 (Fulmer, Kiffrat, Donkey & Jones). As a matter of fact, you reveled in the turmoil and called it "Excuse making"

 

[instaGATOR]

DUH, you didn't seem to grasp that point when UT had FOUR H/Cs in a FIVE year Period 2008-2013 (Fulmer, Kiffrat, Donkey & Jones). As a matter of fact, you reveled in the turmoil and called it "Excuse making"

Just as you constantly whine and make excuses for LOSING 11 CONSECUTIVE TIMES TO THE GATORS! (when you actually show up after making your IDIOT - UT 31 - 7 UF Pre-DIC-tion for 2015.

Now that you claim to have both a much better head coach, and a way more talented team, and the home field advantage in 2016, what's your phootball genius prediction for our next game? (or have you been humbled enough to finally STFU)

PS -- Points of Order:

Moon-Roid has finally bailed out of the NFL, after the Bronco defense bailed him out.
(he looks like a combo of Harris and Grier at a 'professional' level to me)

Tennis-sea decides to 'Pay-Off' the Decades Long Title 9 Massive Sexual Abuse lawsuits. (millions of dollars,,, but hey, your rubber dollies are totally innocent, right?)
FSUcks - Neutered Lame - Tennis-sea, a lot in common when it comes to how they treat women!

And how are your HeadBJ's mulitple and multi-year recruiting violations going? Is that payoff and cover-up going well too? It always has before...
Can they also cover-up the same kinds of stuff in all of their other sports?

Many unanswered questions for your GoB's to duck and dodge....

 

[instaGATOR]

Those monster CRICKETS must have eaten da Mad-Dog....

 

[GvilleNole]

A man have met a couple of times at the UT Spring game happens to be a whiz at recording data regarding the UT Program. He was asked about attrition averages for UT on TOS and rather than limit it to just Tennessee, he reviewed it for every Power-5 school beginning in the 2002 class and continuing through the 2014 class with the last update taking place this past spring.


Hope it might help those wondering about attrition an idea of what you might expect.

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great chart .. need to see it for the last 4 years only