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Poll 54 % of Kalifornians want to leave the state

nail1988 said:
this is the RAT utopia @urtren , Kamala Harris and CNN want for you

High Taxes
Lawlessness
Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Filth on the street

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/14/majority-of-california-residents-want-to-leave-poll/
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Except the article doesn’t cite any of the reasons you state. The article is pretty clear that it’s the high cost of living and homelessness that are driving the sentiment. High taxes are a part of that, but overwhelmingly, high housing costs on the coast are driven by all the money the government has been printing and handing over to banks, tech, etc...
 
bradleygator said:
Except the article doesn’t cite any of the reasons you state. The article is pretty clear that it’s the high cost of living and homelessness that are driving the sentiment. High taxes are a part of that, but overwhelmingly, high housing costs on the coast are driven by all the money the government has been printing and handing over to banks, tech, etc...
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Ok. But my point was the article you posted didn’t support the reasons you cited, which were trotted out from your ready made bullet points that have been imprinted into your brain in place of independent thought.

The article is very clear that runaway housing costs are the primary reason the Californians polled want to leave. That doesn’t have anything to do with open borders, lawlessness, sanctuary cities etc...
 
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McClennan County, TX is being overwhelmed by Ilinoisians, Puerto Ricans, and Kalifornians. The Kalifornians at D. R. Horton on Waco's west side regularly site open borders, lawlessness, sanctuary cities etc. I talk to these cats regularly.

One woman works at Allen Samuels Chrysler. A man who works at SpaceX told me Kalifornia is turning into a mecca for Tom Cruise and tent cities. The middle class is vanishing.

Younger daughter's parents-in-law live in San Diego. Been there forever. Loony housing costs do not effect them. Nation leading burglaries do.
 
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bradleygator said:
Except the article doesn’t cite any of the reasons you state. The article is pretty clear that it’s the high cost of living and homelessness that are driving the sentiment. High taxes are a part of that, but overwhelmingly, high housing costs on the coast are driven by all the money the government has been printing and handing over to banks, tech, etc...
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Property near the water is always more valuable. And the majority of the problems in California are seen in the urban areas, which are predominantly run by democrats.

The rural areas are often quite nice, and often run by Republicans.
 
GhostOfMatchesMalone said:
Property near the water is always more valuable. And the majority of the problems in California are seen in the urban areas, which are predominantly run by democrats.

The rural areas are often quite nice, and often run by Republicans.
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That's all great, based entirely on generalities and presumptions from your Trump-addled brain but great, but it has nothing to do with my point, which is that the article posted said the primary reason people wanted to leave California was housing costs, not the standard list of Trumpian gripes recited by OP.
 
Sunburnt Indian said:
McClennan County, TX is being overwhelmed by Ilinoisians, Puerto Ricans, and Kalifornians. The Kalifornians at D. R. Horton on Waco's west side regularly site open borders, lawlessness, sanctuary cities etc. I talk to these cats regularly.

One woman works at Allen Samuels Chrysler. A man who works at SpaceX told me Kalifornia is turning into a mecca for Tom Cruise and tent cities. The middle class is vanishing.

Younger daughter's parents-in-law live in San Diego. Been there forever. Loony housing costs do not effect them. Nation leading burglaries do.
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Your younger daughter's parents in law probably bought the house 30 years ago for $100k and could probably resell it for $800k now.

You're right the middle class is vanishing. All of the wealth is being hoarded at the top of the food chain. It is a problem. It is the problem that OP's article illustrates, not sanctuary cities, open borders, etc... Democrats have proposed an answer: tax the living hell out of the rich and redistribute. It may not be a very elegant solution, probably about the equivalent of building a giant wall as an answer to bad immigration policy, but it is an answer. What is the Republican answer? More trickle-down? I'll let you in on a secret: I don't think trickle-down is working.
 
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bradleygator said:
That's all great, based entirely on generalities and presumptions from your Trump-addled brain but great, but it has nothing to do with my point, which is that the article posted said the primary reason people wanted to leave California was housing costs, not the standard list of Trumpian gripes recited by OP.
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I was actually addressing your point, and reminding you that property near water costs more. You either didn't know this, or chose not to mention it.

You also didn't address my point that most of the problems in California are found in urban areas, which are almost always run by Democrats, not Republicans.
 
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bradleygator said:
Your younger daughter's parents in law probably bought the house 30 years ago for $100k and could probably resell it for $800k now.

You're right the middle class is vanishing. All of the wealth is being hoarded at the top of the food chain. It is a problem. It is the problem that OP's article illustrates, not sanctuary cities, open borders, etc... Democrats have proposed an answer: tax the living hell out of the rich and redistribute. It may not be a very elegant solution, probably about the equivalent of building a giant wall as an answer to bad immigration policy, but it is an answer. What is the Republican answer? More trickle-down? I'll let you in on a secret: I don't think trickle-down is working.
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Critical thinkers can see the obvious problem with the democratic solution. It discourages people from becoming wealthy. It also discourages lazy people from working since Democrats will just take money from the earners and redistribute it to the lazy.

Dems know this, so they try to lump the 'sick and elderly' in with the lazy.

Because the Democratic goal isn't to help the poor, it is to discourage the creation of wealth.

It's got nothing to do with wealth redistribution, it's about wealth destruction. Dems are great at wordsmithing their ideas to make them seem noble and just.

Sheep fall for it every time.
 
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GhostOfMatchesMalone said:
Critical thinkers can see the obvious problem with the democratic solution. It discourages people from becoming wealthy. It also discourages lazy people from working since Democrats will just take money from the earners and redistribute it to the lazy.

Dems know this, so they try to lump the 'sick and elderly' in with the lazy.

Because the Democratic goal isn't to help the poor, it is to discourage the creation of wealth.

It's got nothing to do with wealth redistribution, it's about wealth destruction. Dems are great at wordsmithing their ideas to make them seem noble and just.

Sheep fall for it every time.
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Ok. But what's the Republican solution to the Fact that the top 20 percent wealthiest Americans own 88 percent of the country's wealth? Grow the pie? Tax cuts and trickle down? You understand that the people who actually benefit from those farcical talking points (i.e. not you) are laughing their asses off that you're still buying that crap.
 
Teach people how to raise themselves up instead of redistributing wealth...if the dems are sooooo smart about climate change and all...where did their smarts go with this notion of redistributing wealth?

Agent Orange
 
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Ok. So all you bootstrappers. Don’t live on credit... live within your means... find happiness in a modest life. Are you aware that the top 10 percent, top 1 percent, is lousy with companies and individuals that had leveraged bad bets (up to 30 to 1) in the markets paid off with trillions of taxpayer dollars? And did you nevertheless cheerlead for Trump’s $1.5 trillion tax cuts overwhelmingly benefitting these people? Of course you did. Why? Because you think how you’re told.
 
bradleygator said:
Except the article doesn’t cite any of the reasons you state. The article is pretty clear that it’s the high cost of living and homelessness that are driving the sentiment. High taxes are a part of that, but overwhelmingly, high housing costs on the coast are driven by all the money the government has been printing and handing over to banks, tech, etc...
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The article mentioned the high cost of living, and high taxes are part of that equation. Another part of the tax equation is that aliens get universal health care (so also an open borders issue)
 
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IrishPokerDog said:
The article mentioned the high cost of living, and high taxes are part of that equation. Another part of the tax equation is that aliens get universal health care (so also an open borders issue)
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That’s a serious stretch. Property prices on the coasts have shot up 6-700 percent because of all the printed money over the last 30 years pumped into the financial, tech sectors, etc...

I’m surprised as supposed small government advocates you guys aren’t more exercised about the government financing of supposedly private business. Doesn’t fit your narrative and so hurts your brain, I suppose.
 
I don't give a mouse's hiney about Bill Gates or Donald Trumps's wealth or their tax returns. I have 10 cents more than I need and I earned it all by myself. I work every day to provide comfort for my beloved white spouse and to achieve a level of 15 to 20 cents more than I need.
 
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Sunburnt Indian said:
I don't give a mouse's hiney about Bill Gates or Donald Trumps's wealth or their tax returns. I have 10 cents more than I need and I earned it all by myself. I work every day to provide comfort for my beloved white spouse and to achieve a level of 15 to 20 cents more than I need.
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Ok. But why do you all bitch and moan about poor people asking for government help but not a peep about bankers, developers, health care, tech billionaires getting government financing at a factor x 1000? Interesting psychology.
 
Like for instance. You’re probably all pathologically anti-union. And what are unions than workers trying to concentrate what little bargaining power they have in the labor market. But you all get militant if anyone talks about limiting the rights of corporate cash to finance an election or lobby Congress? And economically, you’re all probably orders of magnitude closer to the average union member than any CEO or large-scale shareholder. Like, do any of these thoughts occur to you?
 
bradleygator said:
Ok. But my point was the article you posted didn’t support the reasons you cited, which were trotted out from your ready made bullet points that have been imprinted into your brain in place of independent thought.

The article is very clear that runaway housing costs are the primary reason the Californians polled want to leave. That doesn’t have anything to do with open borders, lawlessness, sanctuary cities etc...
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Imprinted into their brain.....
Precisely bradleygator, there is very little independent thought!
People have not been taught to stand on their own two feet.
Damn, i couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Citizen's United was, IMO, one of the worst SCOTUS events of all time...and why do the voters...for the most part not punish dem and repubs who both are on the take for corporate lobbyists and their money?

Agent Orange
 
Mainly white liberals/Marxists. The champions of diversity. When mestizos move to their neighborhoods the tires squeal.

The State is already predominately Hispanic and I am not going to let them use my income to "take back America."

California is pretty much hopeless, you can get anything accomplished here, I know I've tried.

Not only is it mostly Hispanic and low IQ, but many of the Whites here are so leftist brainwashed you can't talk common sense to them. Their heads are so far up their rectum they will never see daylight!

I will spend my time and my money helping conservative Whites in a conservative, pro-White community.

California is going to the dogs, becoming a leftist multicultural crap-hole. And for the most part.....it deserves to.

The land and the country are beautiful, but its' people are some of the biggest idiots on the planet!

If leftist from California come to your State, tar and feather them, run them out on a rail (metaphorically speaking , of course
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)...... why?

...because while many of theses idiots are fleeing the State because it's going to hell, they are still too brainwashed stupid to figure out that it was their multiculturalism and leftist policies that ruined the State!
 
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It was in the '90s, when a rural mail carrier in Wilsonville, Oregon said to me, "all through the eighties I watched moving vans moving north on I-5. Californians moving in and voting to wreck Oregon and Washington. Look what Oregon and Washington has become."
 
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bradleygator said:
That’s a serious stretch. Property prices on the coasts have shot up 6-700 percent because of all the printed money over the last 30 years pumped into the financial, tech sectors, etc...

I’m surprised as supposed small government advocates you guys aren’t more exercised about the government financing of supposedly private business. Doesn’t fit your narrative and so hurts your brain, I suppose.
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Ok, let’s discuss your conjecture about government financing of business - let’s parse specifics of what you actually mean - cite examples you wish to discuss

First, though, exclude tax breaks.... because there is no way that is financing business in any stretch of reality - that is reducing governments BURDEN on businesses to spur growth or protect perceived or real tax basis

So aside from tax breaks, what government financing are you wanting to discuss?

SBA loans?
TIF financing?
Grants for research and development?
 
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IrishPokerDog said:
Ok, let’s discuss your conjecture about government financing of business - let’s parse specifics of what you actually mean - cite examples you wish to discuss

First, though, exclude tax breaks.... because there is no way that is financing business in any stretch of reality - that is reducing governments BURDEN on businesses to spur growth or protect perceived or real tax basis

So aside from tax breaks, what government financing are you wanting to discuss?

SBA loans?
TIF financing?
Grants for research and development?
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How about TARP? How about quantitative easing, i.e money printing? How about zero interest rates for the last 30 years?

And you understand that large scale development, particularly residential, burdens taxpayers, correct? Parking, traffic, sewage, garbage, schools, police, fire. Why should taxpayers subsidize supposedly private development? Socialized losses and privatized gains are good with you? And lol about spurring economic development. I live in North Jersey and just about every luxury tower going up in Jersey City and Hoboken, about the hottest residential markets in the country, are getting tax breaks. Are you guys really this naive? It seems impossible.
 
bradleygator said:
How about TARP? How about quantitative easing, i.e money printing? How about zero interest rates for the last 30 years?

And you understand that large scale development, particularly residential, burdens taxpayers, correct? Parking, traffic, sewage, garbage, schools, police, fire. Why should taxpayers subsidize supposedly private development? Socialized losses and privatized gains are good with you? And lol about spurring economic development. I live in North Jersey and just about every luxury tower going up in Jersey City and Hoboken, about the hottest residential markets in the country, are getting tax breaks. Are you guys really this naive? It seems impossible.
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Hahahahaha!!! Whoa there Nellie!! You are shot gunning a crapload of topics that don’t have anything in common except the gov’t .... let me first handle the top 3 you mentioned

TARP was stabilizing the financial sector after the meltdown due to toxic funds and assets. The primary impetus for the financial meltdown was the government run Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac trying to social engineer higher home ownership to people who couldn’t afford it. Then certain financial azzwipes packages the eventual failing assets into those worthless investment instruments. Then the gov’t had to step in to prevent widespread financial collapse. Am I happy about that, no. Is that what market economics would say to do? No. But those eight financial entities were deemed too big to fail....and there is compelling reason to believe that is true. Several banks and financial institutions did fail. But you might say it’s rewarding bad behavior, which would be correct to a degree..... but the gov’t deregulation of the financial sectors plus their mismanagement of home lending was the root cause

Quantitative easement is the digital printing of money through the direct monitarization of federal investment instruments and is wrong. That should not be done ever. It wasn’t to benefit private companies.... it’s for the government to “raise money” when the traditional T-bill market couldn’t support the supply and price point. The companies that benefited were just willing accomplices.... again, I’m against QE

Zero interest “benefits” everyone not just business. But that’s a Federal Reserve call, independent than the govt. My opinion is that zero interest is a poor decision as there becomes no incentive to the public to save money, and frankly pulls the bottom out of ability for banks to earn money in traditional means. Proper control would typically be to cut corporate tax rates to spur investment, but reciprocally the government hates to cut cost, and the T-bill market was already saturated except for China’s demand, which is problematic for other reasons

So no disagreement that the above 3 were problems..... but I’m not seeing where any of that is “supply side” issues but are govt issues. One could make an argument that zero interest is a supply side item.... but frankly I think free money is poor monetary regardless
 
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IrishPokerDog obviously has a complete understanding of the power of 10 and the decimal. He gets Economics 101.

I too, caught the preposition at the end of the sentence. I probably would have used that particular preposition and not caught it.

Think IPD has a basic working knowledge of wave mechanics? If not, I bet he could quickly achieve such.

Hugoline needs IPD. I'm not so sure IPD could ever get through to her.
 
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bradleygator said:
Ok. But what's the Republican solution to the Fact that the top 20 percent wealthiest Americans own 88 percent of the country's wealth? Grow the pie? Tax cuts and trickle down? You understand that the people who actually benefit from those farcical talking points (i.e. not you) are laughing their asses off that you're still buying that crap.
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Solution? So you think it's a problem that the richest people control most of the wealth in this country?

You do understand that this scenario happens in every country on Earth, right?

Why is it that liberals hate the rich? Why is it that liberals believe that if someone is rich, that they took advantage of someone that is not?

Maybe instead of trying to steal from the rich, you should be trying to help the poor become rich too.
 
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Fools and their money are soon parted.
But I can't seem to remember who was responsible for that idea.

Agent Orange
 
rediceknight said:
Mainly white liberals/Marxists. The champions of diversity. When mestizos move to their neighborhoods the tires squeal.

The State is already predominately Hispanic and I am not going to let them use my income to "take back America."

California is pretty much hopeless, you can get anything accomplished here, I know I've tried.

Not only is it mostly Hispanic and low IQ, but many of the Whites here are so leftist brainwashed you can't talk common sense to them. Their heads are so far up their rectum they will never see daylight!

I will spend my time and my money helping conservative Whites in a conservative, pro-White community.

California is going to the dogs, becoming a leftist multicultural crap-hole. And for the most part.....it deserves to.

The land and the country are beautiful, but its' people are some of the biggest idiots on the planet!

If leftist from California come to your State, tar and feather them, run them out on a rail (metaphorically speaking , of course
rolleyes.gif
)...... why?

...because while many of theses idiots are fleeing the State because it's going to hell, they are still too brainwashed stupid to figure out that it was their multiculturalism and leftist policies that ruined the State!
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You sound miserable. Sorry you got left behind in the game of life.
 
bradleygator said:
How about TARP? How about quantitative easing, i.e money printing? How about zero interest rates for the last 30 years?

And you understand that large scale development, particularly residential, burdens taxpayers, correct? Parking, traffic, sewage, garbage, schools, police, fire. Why should taxpayers subsidize supposedly private development? Socialized losses and privatized gains are good with you? And lol about spurring economic development. I live in North Jersey and just about every luxury tower going up in Jersey City and Hoboken, about the hottest residential markets in the country, are getting tax breaks. Are you guys really this naive? It seems impossible.
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North Jersey, eh? I think I already asked you what area a couple of years ago, or maybe that was another poster. Either way, I'm glad I'm outta that shithole. I've lived in Bergen, Passaic, Morris, and Hudson counties. Only the older generation of my family lives there now. I went to Carolinas, multiple cousins went to Florida. All so we could buy houses and establish ourselves for the future. Hard to do that in rape you home prices, rape you property taxes, rape you income taxes, rape you congestion North Jersey.

So I miss a nice Italian restaurant dinner every now and then, whattya gonna do, huh? Lol.
 
bradleygator said:
How about TARP? How about quantitative easing, i.e money printing? How about zero interest rates for the last 30 years?

And you understand that large scale development, particularly residential, burdens taxpayers, correct? Parking, traffic, sewage, garbage, schools, police, fire. Why should taxpayers subsidize supposedly private development? Socialized losses and privatized gains are good with you? And lol about spurring economic development. I live in North Jersey and just about every luxury tower going up in Jersey City and Hoboken, about the hottest residential markets in the country, are getting tax breaks. Are you guys really this naive? It seems impossible.
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NJ is one of the most reliably blue states in the country. You complain about the tax breaks while continuing to vote for the Dems that hand them out.

Then you claim others are naive. Hilarious.
 
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NorthJerseyGator said:
North Jersey, eh? I think I already asked you what area a couple of years ago, or maybe that was another poster. Either way, I'm glad I'm outta that shithole. I've lived in Bergen, Passaic, Morris, and Hudson counties. Only the older generation of my family lives there now. I went to Carolinas, multiple cousins went to Florida. All so we could buy houses and establish ourselves for the future. Hard to do that in rape you home prices, rape you property taxes, rape you income taxes, rape you congestion North Jersey.

So I miss a nice Italian restaurant dinner every now and then, whattya gonna do, huh? Lol.
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I live in Montclair, where my wife grew up. It’s a great place to raise kids, good schools, etc... but it is ridiculously expensive. Taxes are a big problem, but the bigger problem is all the finance assholes driving up real estate prices 100 percent with money the government printed and handed to them. My mother in law raised 4 kids in Montclair as a single mom on a courthouse administrator’s salary. She bought the multi family she still owns for $180k in 1995. She could probably sell it for $900k now.

I’d advise all you bootstrappers, if you’re actually interested in understanding what’s going on in the markets and what’s driving “millennial socialism,” to stop accepting press release explanations and start looking at the impact of money printing and government intervention on behalf of the obscenely wealthy.

This blog is a good place to start.

Absolutely excellent op ed in the Financial Times today breaking down the impact of money printing on driving up asset prices and the political ramifications among people who weren’t able to participate in the intentional asset inflation (this probably includes most of you, but you’re so deluded you think all that “wealth” accumulated as a product of hard work and think that Trump, Donald Trump!, is going to unlock your to this point undiscovered earning potential).

I’m checking out for Gator baseball season and (hopefully) March Madness. Good luck with your echo chamber!
 
Here’s another one for you. Seriously, think a little bit. Expand your mind. Don’t spend your entire lives parroting bumper sticker slogans. That shit should be embarrassing.
 
bradleygator said:
Here’s another one for you. Seriously, think a little bit. Expand your mind. Don’t spend your entire lives parroting bumper sticker slogans. That shit should be embarrassing.
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So you want us to consult your alt-left blogs that no one but you lefties have heard of, while also saying that you refuse to read The Daily Caller or listen to Rush Limbaugh cause you don't want to hear a different viewpoint?

Don't you find that slightly hypocritical?

Rhetorical question.
 
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