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...This is a 4 year rebuild regardless of who we hire. The talent ain't there on either side of the ball and we can thank Mac's awful recruiting with all his 'under the radar diamonds in the rough.' The most crucial positions on the team...QB, OL, and DL, don't have high caliber players. It gets even worse when you look at the team position by position.

QB- We don't have any. Franks has talent but he's a ways away from being top tier. And all the coaches we are looking at run a spread so neither Allen or Trask has a future here. Which means our best hope at getting good QB play is a minimum 2 years from now when whoever we sign this year, if we sign anybody, has had a season under their belt. True freshmen QB's don't win in the SEC unless they have a punishing oline and running game and we won't...not with this o-line.

RB- Got some decent talent here but no o-line. And no passing game to open it up for them.

WR- Cleveland is the only one with any business at UF. The others are slow with bad hands. They get no separation and on the rare occasions they do its 50-50 they catch.

TE- Disaster. The fact that Goolsby still starts with his awful hands and no blocking is telling.

OL- Not much to be say here. They're really, really bad. And assuming we get some top lineman recruits, it'll be 2-3 years before they're a good unit because that's how long it takes on o-line.

DL- No high caliber recruits here either, and due to neglect (what was it...no DT's signed at all the first two classes?) we'll be relying on a bunch of freshman to man crucial positions.

LB- Bunch of Randy specials here. 'Under the radar' kids with limited athleticism who have no business at UF. Our starting MLB Reese ran a 4.9 in HS and Cristian Garcia is out there getting snaps over scholarship players, nuff said.

CB- Wilson and Henderson have big time potential, so does Brian Edwards I think. But doesn't matter when you put them in a conservative scheme and your front 7 is abysmal.

S- No difference making safeties like we've become used to here either. Gardner is missing something ridiculous like 50% of his tackles, the others are slow with no range and ball skills.

Now consider that this class will be another transition class with a new coach, so we likely aren't getting many elite players. Now we're another year behind. Tell me how this gets turned around in less than 4 years? I'd bet big money this team loses no less than 3 games again next year, and that's being optimistic. This is the least talented UF team in my lifetime. We have whole units full of players who would not be here on any good UF team.
 
A smart coach can win right away. Kelly with Corral would make magic happen, good coaches hide their weaknesses on the team and find ways to win games.
 
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I don’t think it’s 4 years. 2 at absolute minimum though.

The right guy can win games next year but being in championship contention (legit contention) is more like 3.
 
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Doesn't matter how good somebody like Corral would be, he won't have the supporting cast around him. We have no o-line so we aren't going to have a running game to lean on while he learns and matures. How many true freshmen are capable of carrying an offense? Because that's what he's gonna have to do.
 
If it is Chip, maybe even Frost, they are guys (especially Chip) that know how to coach and scheme with less talented rosters. A dynamic QB, RB, and WR trio (which we should have next year with Corral, Davis and Cleveland) will do a lot to help.

Again, I don’t think it’ll be 4 years. 2 minimum, maybe 3.

All depends on what happens with recruiting and coaching changes in the next 3 months.
 
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I dont disagree Oozie, but in this day quick turnarounds happen frequently. Remember this team showed up with 57 scholly players today.
 
With Davis, toney and cleveland there are weapons. Start del rio and let the freshman develop. Defense started 3 true freshman and 5 true sophs.
 
If it is Chip, maybe even Frost, they are guys (especially Chip) that know how to coach and scheme with less talented rosters. A dynamic QB, RB, and WR trio (which we should have next year with Corral, Davis and Cleveland) will do a lot to help.

Again, I don’t think it’ll be 4 years. 2 minimum, maybe 3.

All depends on what happens with recruiting and coaching changes in the next 3 months.

I'm not concerned about skill, I agree with you there. That can be fixed with one top class. Our lines are a disaster though. Those don't have quick turnarounds, that's just the nature of those positions. Elite lineman take 3 years to come into their own much less lesser guys. That's why I'm predicting it takes 3-4 years.
 
I'm not concerned about skill, I agree with you there. Our lines are a disaster though. Those don't have quick turnarounds, that's just the nature of those positions. Elite lineman take 3 years to come into their own much less lesser guys. That's why I'm predicting it takes 3-4 years.

And it could. I definitely think the DL will take at least 3 years without a serious infusion of talent the next two classes.

I think we’ve got some talent at OL and they are still mostly young, might be time to salvage them through coaching and scheme.

Hopefully, we can ride the offense for a while to make up for the problems in the trenches.
 
I'm not concerned about skill, I ingree with you there. That can be fixed with one top class. Our lines are a disaster though. Those don't have quick turnarounds, that's just the nature of those positions. Elite lineman take 3 years to come into their own much less lesser guys. That's why I'm predicting it takes 3-4 years.
Lsu starts 3 true freshman on line and are doing fairly well. These kids come in better prepared
 
And it could. I definitely think the DL will take at least 3 years without a serious infusion of talent the next two classes.

I think we’ve got some talent at OL and they are still mostly young, might be time to salvage them through coaching and scheme.

Hopefully, we can ride the offense for a while to make up for the problems in the trenches.

True.

I guess the good thing is that with a spread the line won't need to be that dominant, there will be less people in the box to block. But don't won't be championship caliber for a while. Mac's recruiting tanked this program. We need 2-3 elite classes in a row.
 
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Last year was a good class. Top 10 depending on how you look at it.

This class has serious potential but we desperately need DL, especially DTs and unless we flip a guy or two, that’s looking pretty bleak.

Again. The right coach can come in and begin to fix this roster RIGHT NOW.
 
True.

I guess the good thing is that with a spread the line won't need to be that dominant, there will be less people in the box to block. But don't won't be championship caliber for a while. Mac's recruiting tanked this program. We need 2-3 elite classes in a row.
Yep and the right guy will have good recruiting right away.
 
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You know what’s funny?

I and a few others got bashed pretty heavily for supporting Muschamp as long as we did.

I truly believed the guy was trying his best (maybe to a fault), he really did care, that wasn’t fake. That 4-8 season was a bizarre anomaly of injuries and the problems left behind by Meyer were very real.

But the dude tried and he poured himself into the job.

Eventually, I realized that his micromanaging, stubbornness, and disadvantage of being a defensive guy in a game that is making it increasingly difficult to not have an offensive mind, doomed him and any hope of him succeeding.


McElwain though? Michi can attest to this because we spent a long time on the phone after he was hired.

His opening press conference got me. He had a swagger and confidence about him, an attitude that I thought was much needed, and he could make it work.

But it seemed every thing after that chipped away at that hope.

By the opening of the season, we had already garnered a really talented class of recruits and it finally looked like things were going in the right direction. Like he had figured it out.

But unlike Muschamp, the dude increasingly seemed less and less interested. He didn’t care. He never tried to fix it. It was the LSU game that made me absolutely ready to get rid of him with not one ounce of regret.

But I knew deep down that the stupid contract extension and buyout would probably make it impossible to fire him....until it was finally too much.

I am beyond excited that that POS is gone, and unlike Muschamp, I hope he fails wherever he ends up.

Shitty thing is, he’ll probably snake oil his way into a job like Oregon State, a region where he’s a better fit, and pull out 9-10 wins seasons regularly and look like some genius coach.
 
Doesn't matter how good somebody like Corral would be, he won't have the supporting cast around him. We have no o-line so we aren't going to have a running game to lean on while he learns and matures. How many true freshmen are capable of carrying an offense? Because that's what he's gonna have to do.


watching Corral, if any guy is capable as a freshmen, with his overall ability to run and evade pressure as a young kid he's as elite as they get and he actually understands football for his age and can play the position with his brain.. If we lose him we are ****ing doomed

that kid is the most special Iv'e seen coming to Florida at that position on film, there's absolutely no way he doesn't play in the NFL if he stays healthy man.. Just watch his film even in HS, you can tell when you see a kid that knows how to play and understands the game.. He can mask a lot of shit along with a great coach masking the other issues.. Im way more optimistic about EVERYTHING if we get him and just let him start next year and grow for the future, because no one else is even remotely close to being better than him at this shit show of a football program right now.. Not even close, Franks is driskel brained and still missed a ton of wide open guys again you could see in screen
 
I’ll be remotely interested to see the QB battle next year in the spring with Corral, Allen, and Trask.

Maybe Toney but I REALLY want him to stay as a play maker. We need more and as many as we can get.
 
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If Corral isn't our QB coming in early, it's a bad sign with a coach that will actually have a clue what football is and how to coach the sport.. instead of running play action on 4th and 77

what a god damn joke our fans have had to put up with at a program dealing with worse than a virginia
 
If Corral isn't our QB coming in early, it's a bad sign with a coach that will actually have a clue what football is and how to coach the sport.. instead of running play action on 4th and 77

what a god damn joke our fans have had to put up with at a program dealing with worse than a virginia

Bro with Mac and Nuss in charge of our QBs, for all we know they thought Jeff Driskell was awesome and actually injected Franks with his loser DNA.

Wouldn’t surprise me if ****ing Trask got good coaching and turned into a good, big, sweaty, Eagle Scout of a QB.
 
We'll know by the middle of year 2 if the guy's going to be successful or not. A well coached team doesn't need to be packed with talent to compete with all but the top 5 or so teams. It might take us 4 years to compete for the title.
 
We'll know by the middle of year 2 if the guy's going to be successful or not. A well coached team doesn't need to be packed with talent to compete with all but the top 5 or so teams. It might take us 4 years to compete for the title.

Those are my thoughts.

It think the right guy has us in a legit conversation for a New Years 6 game in year 3, but year 4 seems the year.

Who ****ing knows. Could be year 2 and year 3.
 
You know what’s funny?

I and a few others got bashed pretty heavily for supporting Muschamp as long as we did.

I truly believed the guy was trying his best (maybe to a fault), he really did care, that wasn’t fake. That 4-8 season was a bizarre anomaly of injuries and the problems left behind by Meyer were very real.

But the dude tried and he poured himself into the job.

Eventually, I realized that his micromanaging, stubbornness, and disadvantage of being a defensive guy in a game that is making it increasingly difficult to not have an offensive mind, doomed him and any hope of him succeeding.


McElwain though? Michi can attest to this because we spent a long time on the phone after he was hired.

His opening press conference got me. He had a swagger and confidence about him, an attitude that I thought was much needed, and he could make it work.

But it seemed every thing after that chipped away at that hope.

By the opening of the season, we had already garnered a really talented class of recruits and it finally looked like things were going in the right direction. Like he had figured it out.

But unlike Muschamp, the dude increasingly seemed less and less interested. He didn’t care. He never tried to fix it. It was the LSU game that made me absolutely ready to get rid of him with not one ounce of regret.

But I knew deep down that the stupid contract extension and buyout would probably make it impossible to fire him....until it was finally too much.

I am beyond excited that that POS is gone, and unlike Muschamp, I hope he fails wherever he ends up.

Shitty thing is, he’ll probably snake oil his way into a job like Oregon State, a region where he’s a better fit, and pull out 9-10 wins seasons regularly and look like some genius coach.
Good post. He seemed like he didnt want to be here after 1st season
 
He didn't wanna be here because he's a con man. Like most con men he comes in with big promises and talks a good game then dips before the walls close in. You could see it during year 2 when he was all defensive at press conferences and trying to distract away from why the team wasn't improving. "I was brought here to win the East right? How many times have we won it?" Like ok? And that has what to do with the offense getting worse and worse? Nevermind that 'winning the East' isn't some grand goal for a program like UF. He felt the walls closing in and wanted to dip before he got exposed. Remember there was talk of him taking the Oregon job. He knew what was coming. I wish that bum the worst.
 
You know what’s funny?

I and a few others got bashed pretty heavily for supporting Muschamp as long as we did.

I truly believed the guy was trying his best (maybe to a fault), he really did care, that wasn’t fake. That 4-8 season was a bizarre anomaly of injuries and the problems left behind by Meyer were very real.

But the dude tried and he poured himself into the job.

Eventually, I realized that his micromanaging, stubbornness, and disadvantage of being a defensive guy in a game that is making it increasingly difficult to not have an offensive mind, doomed him and any hope of him succeeding.


McElwain though? Michi can attest to this because we spent a long time on the phone after he was hired.

His opening press conference got me. He had a swagger and confidence about him, an attitude that I thought was much needed, and he could make it work.

But it seemed every thing after that chipped away at that hope.

By the opening of the season, we had already garnered a really talented class of recruits and it finally looked like things were going in the right direction. Like he had figured it out.

But unlike Muschamp, the dude increasingly seemed less and less interested. He didn’t care. He never tried to fix it. It was the LSU game that made me absolutely ready to get rid of him with not one ounce of regret.

But I knew deep down that the stupid contract extension and buyout would probably make it impossible to fire him....until it was finally too much.

I am beyond excited that that POS is gone, and unlike Muschamp, I hope he fails wherever he ends up.

Shitty thing is, he’ll probably snake oil his way into a job like Oregon State, a region where he’s a better fit, and pull out 9-10 wins seasons regularly and look like some genius coach.

I hated both the day they were hired. But for much different reasons. I hates Chump, not because he was bad, I just didn’t see trying to win 6-3 every week working at UF. In his defense, his elite defensive recruiting masked how bad Mac was for two years.

Mac I hated from day one because I saw what was coming. He was coming in to the SEC thinking he would run the ‘09 Bama offense at UF. Which not even Saban could ever replicate because its only once in a lifetime you have 5 fiest rounders on the OL with 3 NFL backs. So basicallyMac was going to be an extension of Chump without the elite defense. Most for some reason thought we were getting something that looked like CSU. I knew better, he was way too areogant about his time at Bama.
 
I hated both the day they were hired. But for much different reasons. I hates Chump, not because he was bad, I just didn’t see trying to win 6-3 every week working at UF. In his defense, his elite defensive recruiting masked how bad Mac was for two years.

Mac I hated from day one because I saw what was coming. He was coming in to the SEC thinking he would run the ‘09 Bama offense at UF. Which not even Saban could ever replicate because its only once in a lifetime you have 5 fiest rounders on the OL with 3 NFL backs. So basicallyMac was going to be an extension of Chump without the elite defense. Most for some reason thought we were getting something that looked like CSU. I knew better, he was way too areogant about his time at Bama.

You can say that, but at the time we talked, the day of his opening press conference, there was hope, even in you.

Mainly because what he did at CSU was not Bama-esque.

And then he hired Nuss.

And then we found out details about Baldwin.

Like I said. I got sold and it went downhill from there.
 
...This is a 4 year rebuild regardless of who we hire. The talent ain't there on either side of the ball and we can thank Mac's awful recruiting with all his 'under the radar diamonds in the rough.' The most crucial positions on the team...QB, OL, and DL, don't have high caliber players. It gets even worse when you look at the team position by position.

QB- We don't have any. Franks has talent but he's a ways away from being top tier. And all the coaches we are looking at run a spread so neither Allen or Trask has a future here. Which means our best hope at getting good QB play is a minimum 2 years from now when whoever we sign this year, if we sign anybody, has had a season under their belt. True freshmen QB's don't win in the SEC unless they have a punishing oline and running game and we won't...not with this o-line.

RB- Got some decent talent here but no o-line. And no passing game to open it up for them.

WR- Cleveland is the only one with any business at UF. The others are slow with bad hands. They get no separation and on the rare occasions they do its 50-50 they catch.

TE- Disaster. The fact that Goolsby still starts with his awful hands and no blocking is telling.

OL- Not much to be say here. They're really, really bad. And assuming we get some top lineman recruits, it'll be 2-3 years before they're a good unit because that's how long it takes on o-line.

DL- No high caliber recruits here either, and due to neglect (what was it...no DT's signed at all the first two classes?) we'll be relying on a bunch of freshman to man crucial positions.

LB- Bunch of Randy specials here. 'Under the radar' kids with limited athleticism who have no business at UF. Our starting MLB Reese ran a 4.9 in HS and Cristian Garcia is out there getting snaps over scholarship players, nuff said.

CB- Wilson and Henderson have big time potential, so does Brian Edwards I think. But doesn't matter when you put them in a conservative scheme and your front 7 is abysmal.

S- No difference making safeties like we've become used to here either. Gardner is missing something ridiculous like 50% of his tackles, the others are slow with no range and ball skills.

Now consider that this class will be another transition class with a new coach, so we likely aren't getting many elite players. Now we're another year behind. Tell me how this gets turned around in less than 4 years? I'd bet big money this team loses no less than 3 games again next year, and that's being optimistic. This is the least talented UF team in my lifetime. We have whole units full of players who would not be here on any good UF team.
Great analysis and I completely agree. Even with a Chip Kelly coming in and holding this solid recruiting class together, it's going to take before we can challenge for a championship of any kind. Can the right coach make a difference immediately? Yes, absolutely. But we're such a dumpster fire right now with too many players who are not SEC caliber, I see at least 3 years to rebuild the program to where it needs to be.
 
Great analysis and I completely agree. Even with a Chip Kelly coming in and holding this solid recruiting class together, it's going to take before we can challenge for a championship of any kind. Can the right coach make a difference immediately? Yes, absolutely. But we're such a dumpster fire right now with too many players who are not SEC caliber, I see at least 3 years to rebuild the program to where it needs to be.

I’d like to add that it’s not all talent that makes his dumpster fire.

It’s a lot of culture that has been implemented by Mac and his staff that makes them look even worse than they are.

A new coach and culture can fix a good bit of that.
 
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He didn't wanna be here because he's a con man. Like most con men he comes in with big promises and talks a good game then dips before the walls close in. You could see it during year 2 when he was all defensive at press conferences and trying to distract away from why the team wasn't improving. "I was brought here to win the East right? How many times have we won it?" Like ok? And that has what to do with the offense getting worse and worse? Nevermind that 'winning the East' isn't some grand goal for a program like UF. He felt the walls closing in and wanted to dip before he got exposed. Remember there was talk of him taking the Oregon job. He knew what was coming. I wish that bum the worst.
Is that a death threat?
 
I’d like to add that it’s not all talent that makes his dumpster fire.

It’s a lot of culture that has been implemented by Mac and his staff that makes them look even worse than they are.

A new coach and culture can fix a good bit of that.
Agree. I said nearly the exact same lines when Champ was fired. I know you are a Champ fan but it was bad then...and worse now.

Start with taking Twitter away
..then all else.
 
I’ll be remotely interested to see the QB battle next year in the spring with Corral, Allen, and Trask.

Maybe Toney but I REALLY want him to stay as a play maker. We need more and as many as we can get.
But a QB can be the playmaker. Last year's NC game had one on both yes.

But yes if Corrall is what he is hyped to be, Toney at WR and Corral at QB is two play makers on the field at the same time.

I'm seriously not counting Allen nor Trask out yet either.
 
Agree. I said nearly the exact same lines when Champ was fired. I know you are a Champ fan but it was bad then...and worse now.

Start with taking Twitter away
..then all else.

And like I said, I realized his faults, but his passion ( no matter how over the top) was real to me. He wasn’t ever trying to trick us into thinking he was someone who he’s not, for better or worse.

Mac makes me mad because I’m a salesman, and I got taken for a ride by the worst of the worst salesman. I should have known better.
 
And like I said, I realized his faults, but his passion ( no matter how over the top) was real to me. He wasn’t ever trying to trick us into thinking he was someone who he’s not, for better or worse.

Mac makes me mad because I’m a salesman, and I got taken for a ride by the worst of the worst salesman. I should have known better.
Yep, I bought that snake oil as well...but not that cheesy BBQ sauce.
 
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Those are my thoughts.

It think the right guy has us in a legit conversation for a New Years 6 game in year 3, but year 4 seems the year.

Who ****ing knows. Could be year 2 and year 3.
If we get Chip Kelly, Corral will probably stick...we will be a LOT better year 1...and anything is possible after that...but we will only get better...you're probably right about year 3 but we will see an immediate impact if CK is the guy.
 
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A smart coach can win right away. Kelly with Corral would make magic happen, good coaches hide their weaknesses on the team and find ways to win games.

Yep I think with Corral someone like Kelly could have us decent in year 2. Play Corral as a true freshman to get the experience. He couldn't be any worse than Franks even as a true freshman and a few of them have played decent lately.
 
watching Corral, if any guy is capable as a freshmen, with his overall ability to run and evade pressure as a young kid he's as elite as they get and he actually understands football for his age and can play the position with his brain.. If we lose him we are ****ing doomed

that kid is the most special Iv'e seen coming to Florida at that position on film, there's absolutely no way he doesn't play in the NFL if he stays healthy man.. Just watch his film even in HS, you can tell when you see a kid that knows how to play and understands the game.. He can mask a lot of shit along with a great coach masking the other issues.. Im way more optimistic about EVERYTHING if we get him and just let him start next year and grow for the future, because no one else is even remotely close to being better than him at this shit show of a football program right now.. Not even close, Franks is driskel brained and still missed a ton of wide open guys again you could see in screen

I agree. I watched 3 seasons of highlights of Corral, he's Johnny Manziel kind of special and possibly even better. That's a game changer. Before this team came unraveled (some of it due to lack of depth) a good QB could have beaten anyone on the schedule (save perhaps UGA).
What's the deal with the 10 suspended players and how many of them were set to be impact players? If they are all gone can this signing class be that much bigger? This team without the suspensions could have been very good, with a QB that can make more than one read and go through progressions. Franks has no field awareness.
 
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