Is the Earth flat? The Bible says so - Poll
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This doesn't belong here. It also doesn't belong in the lounge. It belongs nowhere, because it's that pointless.
I believe the earth was indeed flat last time dawgs won a natty.
That was good, haha.
It's why they named their college town Athens.....as tribute to the time when Pythagoras theorized the round earth and Daeggies won the Natty.....
Bible written by imperfect humans from 2,000 years ago. Translated by Celtic Monks and only as accurate as their proficiency in Greek, Latin, and Hebrew. I'm surprised it's as accurate as it is. And it was accepted knowledge that the Earth could very well be flat.
Heck, half the folks who saw Columbus off were sure he was going to sail off the edge.
Ignorance and a steep learning curve = yes.
Intentional "lies"? Not so much.
Fine if this isn't going away, which Bible? KJV? New International? Lexham English? Orthodox Jewish Bible? The Satanic Bible? The Unholy Bible?
God told Job that the Earth is a circle hung on nothing.
Is it a poll of know nothings belief in what is said or is it what it says?
Seems to me this is a post about people with no understanding spouting nonsense about an Eternal God who said I Am, validated by science saying that matter can neither be created or destroyed but must come from something not from nothing. That Eternal pre-existance was answered when He spoke to Moses and said I AM. See Dr Brian Greenes PBS special The Illusion of Time for more validation of the Eternal. Greene does this even without meaning to.
Baruch Haba B'Shem Adonai
Is it a poll of know nothings belief in what is said or is it what it says?
Seems to me this is a post about people with no understanding spouting nonsense about an Eternal God who said I Am, validated by science saying that matter can neither be created or destroyed but must come from something not from nothing. That Eternal pre-existance was answered when He spoke to Moses and said I AM. See Dr Brian Greenes PBS special The Illusion of Time for more validation of the Eternal. Greene does this even without meaning to.
Baruch Haba B'Shem Adonai
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus
Man pontificating on what God is and is not always amuses me.
No one having an answer to the logical problem of evil since it was posed amuses me. Like the paradox of free will and predestination.
Much of evil is illogical IMO. If you're speaking of predestination in the context of Heaven and hell, I don't see the issue with free will. You have the free will to act as you want, and that determines your path in this life, and the next.
It is appointed unto man to die once and then the judgement.
Satan was a perfect angel with the ultimate in free will yet iniquity was found in him and he fell
Man shall judge the angels! hmmm?
Man had free will do do anything but touch or eat of the "tree" of the knowledge of good and evil?
God knows the beginning from the end? How? Well because the beginning and the end have already happened and He has already seen it all.
Interestingly , a physicist named Green has answers to many questions and does so in a secular manner
Will you watch it?
https://www.pbs.org/video/nova-the-fabric-of-the-cosmos-the-illusion-of-time/
I was intrigued if this was true, as it has been many years since I’ve read Job..... however I don’t find this stated
Isaiah is more explicit about the circle.
Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Some say the Hebrew word in this verse is for ball not circle.
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
This is by implication not explicit
Job 22:14
Thick clouds cover Him, so that He cannot see, And He walks above the circle of heaven.
Apparently not.
And it was my understanding angels have no free will, they were created solely to worship God.
Which is pretty narcissistic if you think about it.
What does it say about a deity that 1/3 of his perfect creations can go astray?
I'll watch your video, mostly because I need something to do while I eat my cereal.
Bear in mind I don't insist that a deity be benevolent. I'm a big fan of Crom and Cthulhu.
I'm speaking of predestination as in "God has a plan."
If God has a plan, then I can't have free will.
If I can make a choice that thwarts God's plan, he can't be much of a deity.
There are folks, and I'm not saying you are one of them, that insist that God knows what you're going to do and therefore both these things can exist simultaneously.
Ezekiel 28:15
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
Ezekiel 28:15
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
Why after Satan rebelled is he still allowed an amount of freedom?
Why will men judge angels?
Why the Earth and not Zeta Reticuli? Or in a similar vein why did Wellington fight Napoleon at Waterloo
Why do some scientist say the universe may be a simulation?
If you watched Greens video what are the implications that the universe/space/time are like a loaf of bread?
If you answer these, you will answer the questions about your disbelief and hostility.
Sorry, that makes absolutely no sense to me. God can have a plan for you, and you can still fail to listen to God and follow His plan. Unfortunately, I do it all the time.
If God's plan is for you to attend the University of Florida and you go to Georgia, you have just altered his plan.
Because he does God's dirty work. See Job.
I've been a card carrying member of the Church of Satan for 22 years. I promise you aren't going to change my disbelief. Especially not with one verse.
Why is it Xians think the rest of us haven't read the Bible? I assure you, I have.
And I PROMISE you, this ain't me hostile.
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No, that means I'm not following His plan for me.
Happens all the time. Thank goodness He is patient with me.
So if God is really narcissistic as you seem to believe, wouldn't He strike you down for your open rebellion?
And what were you before those 22 years? So you DID change.
I choose to believe he's unable.
And prior to those 22 years, I was a Satanist without a card, as Satanists are born, not made.
Genetics I imagine. Are you suggesting atheists are part of God's divine plan?
If you are this is going to be an interesting discussion.
I'm trying to understand your belief system, is all. I've had plenty of discussions with atheists over the years, in fact some of the most interesting conversations I've ever had are with people that believe God doesn't exist.
I don't argue religion because we all have our own beliefs shaped by our own life experiences. And I think for all of us those beliefs are constantly evolving. Sometimes in very tiny ways, sometimes in massive ways.
No offense, but you could say you worshipped a warm bowl of chocolate pudding over God and that doesn't impress me. It's your choice, you do you.
Ok I missed this part and wanted to circle back cause I think it's important.
Yes, I do believe God knows what I am going to do. Comes with being all-powerful.
I think God's message to us is consistent, but we have to be willing and able to hear it. For instance, if I start shouting at you that you are dead WRONG about your beliefs and that if you don't change your ways you will go to hell......how is that going to set with you? You're going to laugh, and it's probably going to further convince you that you were right all along in your beliefs.
God can push me toward doing something, but if I'm not ready to be pushed in that direction, I will resist. So I think the onus is on me to become ready to hear His message for me.
At least that's how I think it works. Ask me in a year, I might think something different.
My belief system can be summarized thusly:
Take care of you and yours. Mind your business. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. Don't start shit, but always finish it. Equality is a false god.
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Atheists are another belief structure - because the can’t prove there is no God; agnosticism is the only position not requiring faith
As far as the divine plan, it wouldn’t be very impressive if it were easily comprehended by mortals
Most Satanists consider themselves atheist or "I-theists." I myself am an agnostic self worshipper, because while I've not seen anything that would make me believe in a God, I'm not irredeemably stubborn. So if Jesus moonwalks across the pool at the JCA and turns my water bottle into a nice pinot noir, I'd probably accept that as proof of God. Still probably wouldn't worship him though.
Consider that the bible was written in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek and translated into Latin. The King James version, for example is a translation with parts from all 4 languages. To decide God was calling the Earth round because of one word in one section, well, who knows what it originally said, but it likely wasn't the interpretation someone reading it in English is trying to put on it.
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