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Interesting article that touches on new coaches

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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2...e-engineering-a-champion-ohio-state-tcu-ucla/

Interesting Facts:

- "Since the turn of the century, coaches who win big also tend to win fast, often as early as Year 2...if Year 2 didn’t yield a championship, it often served as a catalyst for one in Year 3 or Year 4.

- "The era of the “Five-Year Plan” is long gone: These days, it’s all about riding the momentum of the initial wave. In fact, since 2000, only one coach has claimed his first national title for a school that had employed him for more than four years at that point: Mack Brown, who was in his eighth season at Texas when the Longhorns upset Carroll’s Trojans for the 2005 BCS crown."

- "Even more remarkably, aside from Miles and Miami’s Larry Coker, who inherited one of the most stacked rosters ever assembled in 2001, none of the coaches who won a ring in the same span took over a team that finished in the Top 25 the year before his arrival. Coaches who wind up winning championships go from zero to 100 very quickly, and they don’t take any detours en route to their destination."

Some of these I had no idea about. So in summary, the great coaches typically take over teams that are down in the dumps and win titles within 4 years. So you should know what you have early in a coach. It'll be interesting to track Mac and all the new hires across CFB.
 
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Interesting. I think we will know early on about this staff. It may not show up this year in the record, but should pass the "eye test".
 
Of all the hires I think that comparing us to Meatchicken provides the most similar circumstances. The opener in 2017 should be a great measuring stick
 
I wouldn't compare us to Michigan just because Harbaugh has a name AND has been doing it as a HC longer than Mac has.
 
I wouldn't compare us to Michigan just because Harbaugh has a name AND has been doing it as a HC longer than Mac has.

Then maybe we didn't hire the right coach? If name and experience are that important, why did we not use that criteria in our search? Did we not want to win as badly as UM? Is our program less deserving of the beat available than UM? Are you suggesting we settled and shouldn't expect the types of results seen at Michigan, Ohio St, Alabama, LSU or Auburn?

I actually think its an extremely fair compariaon
 
Then maybe we didn't hire the right coach? If name and experience are that important, why did we not use that criteria in our search? Did we not want to win as badly as UM? Is our program less deserving of the beat available than UM? Are you suggesting we settled and shouldn't expect the types of results seen at Michigan, Ohio St, Alabama, LSU or Auburn?

I actually think its an extremely fair compariaon

Nah not suggesting any of that, just saying Harbaugh has about a decade worth of experience as a HC in comparison to Mac's three. I'd be surprised if they don't make it back faster than we do. On top of that, only a handful of schools puts more resources into their program than Michigan does. Like for example I'm pretty sure they expanded to have the largest sporting arena in the entire country. The only thing we got over them is our recruiting base, but that's not as big of an advantage since Michigan recruits nationally and Harbaugh will be able to pull from Cali and everywhere else with his name.
 
I may be wrong but I think Harbaughs alma mater is Michigan. That probably had a little to do with why he is there.
 
Nah not suggesting any of that, just saying Harbaugh has about a decade worth of experience as a HC in comparison to Mac's three. I'd be surprised if they don't make it back faster than we do. On top of that, only a handful of schools puts more resources into their program than Michigan does. Like for example I'm pretty sure they expanded to have the largest sporting arena in the entire country. The only thing we got over them is our recruiting base, but that's not as big of an advantage since Michigan recruits nationally and Harbaugh will be able to pull from Cali and everywhere else with his name.


To me it just seems like with our last two hires we look for excuses to NOT follow the pattern discussed in your article. "Yeah, it should only take 2-3 years max BUT we can't expect that to happen at UF."

I'll at least give you credit for acknowledging that was a better hire. On TOS they insist Mac is a better coach right now. I still maintain Harbaugh sees the 4 team playoff before we return to ATL
 
To me it just seems like with our last two hires we look for excuses to NOT follow the pattern discussed in your article. "Yeah, it should only take 2-3 years max BUT we can't expect that to happen at UF."

I'll at least give you credit for acknowledging that was a better hire. On TOS they insist Mac is a better coach right now. I still maintain Harbaugh sees the 4 team playoff before we return to ATL

There are people who think Mac is a better coach than Harbaugh??? LMAO. I love everything Mac has done so far but that would be insane.

That said, Harbaugh shouldn't see the playoff before us. One, the SEC East stinks and they have to go through Ohio St. and MSU still. Two, from a talent standpoint we are set up better right now than they are, at least defensively and we shouldn't have too many issues bringing in offensive talent. Shouldn't. We'll know what Mac is by year 3 IMO.
 
We should know what Mac is by year 2. At least the great ones. The great coaches you know after 2 years. Meyer, Saban, Spurrier, etc
 
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we will know a lot very soon, and I think honestly we have nothing to worry about... Mac knows what he is doing and just fits here... When you get the players he will soon, a school like Florida will be fine.
 
Paco,

I agree with that sentiment usually. The reason I said year 3 for Mac is because of how deplete our offensive talent is. Also we might lose a good chunk of our defense this year too. So I expect to take a step back on that side next year. But yea, if we aren't in contention for or winning the East next year I'd be worried.
 
Yep! I'm looking to year 3 personally, we should all know by then.

In 2017 our QB will be a Junior or a Senior entering his 3rd year of starting. Of our 14 OL on the roster, 12 of them are slated to return for 2017 and since we have no Juniors, we will return everybody in the starting lineup from 2016. Most of them will be in their 3rd year of starting or playing a lot. There is a large crop of top shelf WRs in the state this year. We should be able to get several and those guys will be in their 2nd year while Powell and Callaway who are both slated to play a lot this year will be back as will all of the TE's except Jake McGee - and at least a couple of them will play a lot this year if not start as we use a two TE set. We should have an absolutely stacked Offense by then in its 3rd year of running the same system.

Provided the Defense doesn't completely fall apart - which I don't see happening - we should be a championship contender in 2017.
 
Paco,

I agree with that sentiment usually. The reason I said year 3 for Mac is because of how deplete our offensive talent is. Also we might lose a good chunk of our defense this year too. So I expect to take a step back on that side next year. But yea, if we aren't in contention for or winning the East next year I'd be worried.
I wasn't necessarily looking at it in just wins and losses. I just believe after 2 years of watching the coach and the way the team plays and the philosophy I believe gives you a pretty good idea in what direction you are headed and is their a plan in place that appears to be successful. Some coaches just like players, etc. have that "it" factor.
 
Definitely agree with that. Deathroll you're on point too. There will be no excuses come Year 3 if all that holds.
 
Paco,

I agree with that sentiment usually. The reason I said year 3 for Mac is because of how deplete our offensive talent is. Also we might lose a good chunk of our defense this year too. So I expect to take a step back on that side next year. But yea, if we aren't in contention for or winning the East next year I'd be worried.

I agree Mac has a unique situation in year two in that we will lose quite a bit of NFL talent on defense, but that said, in year 2 we should be putting up a lot of points as that is why we chose him.

In 2017 we open with Meatchicken which should be a great measuring stick of where we stand. If we don't see ATL by year 3 it should be a decent indicator that we may not be in good hands.
 
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