I think this country began to split apart around 1960

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

In the 1940s, the country came together like never before to defeat the Axis powers. Everyone was united in the effort to win World War II, whether it was those who served, or those who were still in the US supporting those that did.

We were truly the UNITED STATES. We had come together around the idea of Law and Order, and we had won WWII as a result.

We were the world's dominant superpower. In every way.

The country was completely unified around the idea of Law and Order. We carried that over into the 1950s, and the country boomed in the 50s.

Starting in the 1960s, we began to see a shift. The reason why is up for debate. Maybe there truly was a plan to destabilize the US as the world's lone superpower. Or maybe some of us just got complacent after years of enormous prosperity.

For whatever reason, we split and became a country where the vast majority of us still believed in Law and Order, but a small minority began to believe that The End Justifies the Means. Over time, the rules began to be enforced unequally. This increased over time, then rules began to be WRITTEN to benefit groups unequally.

I think that's why first Reagan and then Trump were so insanely popular, because both Presidents were and are throwbacks to the Law and Order era where America enjoyed its greatest growth, prosperity, and the 50s, the last time when the country was truly united. Where all Americans shared the same values.

Now, we've reached a point where one party and its voters are perfectly fine with their candidate winning by cheating. Because 'The End Justifies the Means'.

The only way this country can truly be United again is if we hold the same values, as we last did in the 50s.

I don't think there is any easy way to do that. I do know this, if this country becomes United around the idea that The End Justifies the Means, we will indeed become one of those shithole countries where everyone is corrupt and everyone is a criminal.

I think Law and Order will again win out. Let's pray it does.

 

[Billabong4356]

Law and Order is the ultimate unifier of a populace. We can debate left vs right, tax rates, how much the gov does or doesn’t have a say in regulating business. But, none of that is possible in a constitutional republic without law and order. Nixon extensively ran on law and order in 1972. I think he won 48 states in what is still one of the largest landslide wins in history.

Plus Nixon had prolly the greatest presidential slogan ever even if it was unofficial that year!

“Never switch Dicks in the middle of a screw. Vote for Nixon in 72”

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

The country has been divided for almost all of its history. There was 50-60 year lull after the Progressive Era until the Civil Rights Acts, along with the early years from 1776 to just before the Missouri Compromise. But outside of those intervals, division has been the norm.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Law and Order is the ultimate unifier of a populace. We can debate left vs right, tax rates, how much the gov does or doesn’t have a say in regulating business. But, none of that is possible in a constitutional republic without law and order. Nixon extensively ran on law and order in 1972. I think he won 48 states in what is still one of the largest landslide wins in history.

Plus Nixon had prolly the greatest presidential slogan ever even if it was unofficial that year!

“Never switch Dicks in the middle of a screw. Vote for Nixon in 72”

If the GOP ran someone other than Trump, I think 2020 would have been like 1972. The holier-than-thou SJWs, trans women competing in women’s athletics (and “setting new records”), and endless protests were alienating to everyone outside of the far left.

But Trump was so ridiculous that still he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, though the GOP did well overall. Many people (including me) despise both Trump and the far left and voted accordingly.

 

[Billabong4356]

If the GOP ran someone other than Trump, I think 2020 would have been like 1972. The holier-than-thou SJWs, trans women competing in women’s athletics (and “setting new records”), and endless protests were alienating to everyone outside of the far left.

But Trump was so ridiculous that still he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, though the GOP did well overall. Many people (including me) despise both Trump and the far left and voted accordingly.

Trump prolly won about 40 states without the fraud. Maybe more. #winningbigly

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

But Trump was so ridiculous that still he managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, though the GOP did well overall. Many people (including me) despise both Trump and the far left and voted accordingly.

Or maybe Trump did as well as the down ballot did, and they cheated?

I mean, your logic means believing that Hiden just crushed obama's numbers among black voters, and all the whities that voted for obama, didn't vote for Hiden.

Completely illogical.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Or maybe Trump did as well as the down ballot did, and they cheated?

I mean, your logic means believing that Hiden just crushed obama's numbers among black voters, and all the whities that voted for obama, didn't vote for Hiden.

Completely illogical.

My logic is that moderates and NeverTrumpers voted for Biden only, or they voted for both Biden and republican candidates because they feared Trump and the far left.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

My logic is that moderates and NeverTrumpers voted for Biden only, or they voted for both Biden and republican candidates because they feared Trump and the far left.

But Hiden crushed obama's numbers among black urban voters.

No one can explain how that happened legally.

 

[Billabong4356]

My logic is that moderates and NeverTrumpers voted for Biden only, or they voted for both Biden and republican candidates because they feared Trump and the far left.

Could you ballpark the amount of “never trumpers”? Think you’d need about 25-30 million roughly to get to 81. Don’t let the media convince you the number is that high.
Btw do you think it’s possible that moderates were also “never lefters”after seeing the fruits of progressive policy all summer? I’m personally moderate but like I said above nothing means anything in our country without Law and order first. The idea that people would vote republican down ticket to avoid these nut case progressive county attorneys and DAs but they’d still vote for a senile old man with the most liberal senator as his running mate doesn’t really stir the Kool-Aid for me amigo.

 

[Billabong4356]

But Hiden crushed obama's numbers among black urban voters.

No one can explain how that happened legally.

Actually I think he only did in Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philly, Maricopa county, Detroit and Vegas. Luckily we know those cities all ran super clean elections without a shred of evidence for fraud! 😂😂😂😂😂

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

But Hiden crushed obama's numbers among black urban voters.

No one can explain how that happened legally.

Why is it impossible for Biden to have legally beaten Obama’s numbers among urban black voters?

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Could you ballpark the amount of “never trumpers”? Think you’d need about 25-30 million roughly to get to 81. Don’t let the media convince you the number is that high.
Btw do you think it’s possible that moderates were also “never lefters”after seeing the fruits of progressive policy all summer? I’m personally moderate but like I said above nothing means anything in our country without Law and order first. The idea that people would vote republican down ticket to avoid these nut case progressive county attorneys and DAs but they’d still vote for a senile old man with the most liberal senator as his running mate doesn’t really stir the Kool-Aid for me amigo.

Of course there are “NeverLefters.” I am one of them, at least for the far left.

The majority of the electorate are neither Trumpers nor far left. Most people don’t have extreme views and are not that partisan. It makes perfect sense that they would prefer a split government to keep both Trump and the far left out of power.

I have spoken to many people who dislike Trump but are equally tired of the SJW/BLM stuff. I don’t know the exact numbers, but I’ll make a ballpark guess that about half of the electorate falls into this category to some degree.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Why is it impossible for Biden to have legally beaten Obama’s numbers among urban black voters?

While at the same time rural white voters, which you dems tell us are all racists, came out for obama in record numbers, and almost none of them voted for the white president Hiden???

I think this election is proving that dems are pretty much wrong about everything.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The majority of the electorate are neither Trumpers nor far left.

Ummmm....Trump reportedly got 74M votes. That crushed obama's numbers, remember?

Trump's actual vote total is likely close to 100M. I hope Trump sticks with it past his second inauguration to have the legal number of votes verified. I'd love to know how high it goes.

 

[Russ Wood]

The only way this country can truly be United again is if we hold the same values, as we last did in the 50s.

I wasn't alive in the 1950s but I've read about that decade. I can certainly understand why many people are wistful about the 50s but as a black man all I can say about the 50s is "Nah bruh."

Oh, and I'm a law and order guy. So much so that the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department gave me a plaque and a Fraternal Order of Police license plate frame for all of the time I gave up to work with them in some of the toughest communities in D.C.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

While at the same time rural white voters, which you dems tell us are all racists, came out for obama in record numbers, and almost none of them voted for the white president Hiden???

I think this election is proving that dems are pretty much wrong about everything.

We already went over this exact topic a few days ago. I’m not sure if you forgot or if you just figure that if you keep posting the same stuff over and over again people will start to believe it.

Also, I am an independent, not a democrat.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I wasn't alive in the 1950s but I've read about that decade. I can certainly understand why many people are wistful about the 50s but as a black man all I can say about the 50s is "Nah bruh."

Oh, and I'm a law and order guy. So much so that the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department gave me a plaque and a Fraternal Order of Police license plate frame for all of the time I gave up to work with them in some of the toughest communities in D.C.

Good point. You should post more.

One thing about the 1950s that I think is indisputable: people dressed better, especially men.

Anytime I see pictures from that era, I’m impressed at how much classier everyone looked. Maybe it has to do with the fact that most people had blue collar jobs where you had to get dirty so they appreciated the opportunity to dress up when they went out. Nobody was working from home, doing Zoom conferences all day.

 

[Russ Wood]

Good point. You should post more.

One thing about the 1950s that I think is indisputable: people dressed better, especially men.

Anytime I see pictures from that era, I’m impressed at how much classier everyone looked. Maybe it has to do with the fact that most people had blue collar jobs where you had to get dirty so they appreciated the opportunity to dress up when they went out. Nobody was working from home, doing Zoom conferences all day.

YES. Everywhere. And the hats. I love the hats. I remember my dad wearing them in the 60s.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

YES. Everywhere. And the hats. I love the hats. I remember my dad wearing them in the 60s.

A hat would definitely help me with my fivehead.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

We already went over this exact topic a few days ago. I’m not sure if you forgot or if you just figure that if you keep posting the same stuff over and over again people will start to believe it.

Also, I am an independent, not a democrat.

Your logic was that black urban voters didn't want to vote for obama, the first black president ever, but DID want to vote AGAINST Trump in 2020.

That logic is asinine.

No way Hiden dominated obama's numbers among black urban voters. Especially considering that obama won twice as many counties as Hiden did.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

I wouldn't mind a return to the 80s minus the Nukes on standby or the Soviets.

But if the dumbs want to jettison Law and Order I plan to go along and avoid society and do what the h3ll I want to.

Phase I separation to the woods with little to no codes.

barter, bitcoin etc

under pay property tax by having a hidden basement

convert cars to diesel and ethanol ...produce my own fuel minus the taxes

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Your logic was that black urban voters didn't want to vote for obama, the first black president ever, but DID want to vote AGAINST Trump in 2020.

That logic is asinine.

No way Hiden dominated obama's numbers among black urban voters. Especially considering that obama won twice as many counties as Hiden did.

That is not even close to what I said.

Why do you waste time blatantly misrepresenting what people say as if they won’t notice? Are you hoping that other people will read your version and believe it?

I honestly wonder A) What motivates a grown adult to do stuff like this? B) How can you believe you’re actually fooling anyone?

Do you live in some kind of isolated community where everyone around you has a learning disability that prevents them from seeing through your clumsy attempts at deceit, and you sincerely don’t realize that this stuff doesn’t work on people with triple digit IQs? Are you working for someone to spread disinformation and just punching the clock? Are you on the Spectrum and can’t help yourself? Are you just weird like that? I don’t get it.

Seriously, just be straight up with people. You would be more effective at communicating if you made your points without resorting to hyperbole and cartoonish misrepresentations that aren’t fooling anyone and just waste time.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

That is not even close to what I said.

That's what HAPPENED. obama won whites bigly over white Hiden, and Hiden got far more black urban voters than black obama.

Additionally, Hiden did that, while winning HALF the counties that obama did.

So that means obama kicked Hiden's ass EVERYWHERE.....except for with ONE group.

Black urban voters. Hiden dominated obama with these voters.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Nothing to see here....

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

That's what HAPPENED. obama won whites bigly over white Hiden, and Hiden got far more black urban voters than black obama.

Additionally, Hiden did that, while winning HALF the counties that obama did.

So that means obama kicked Hiden's ass EVERYWHERE.....except for with ONE group.

Black urban voters. Hiden dominated obama with these voters.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Nothing to see here....

Again, we both know that you’re not fooling anyone, so why bother?

To be fair, it’s possible that you honestly believe you are confounding us with your Jedi Mind Tricks due the Dunning-Kruger effect. If that’s the case, I guess you can’t help it, and it would be inhumane to continually call out your oafish attempts at subterfuge.

Maybe I should be like a parent who compassionately allows their five year old to believe he really won at hide-at-seek by pretending not to notice the four foot bulge in the window curtain.

How about this

“Oh. Wow, Ghost! You have convinced me that it is impossible for urban black voters to turnout more for Biden than Obama because Obama is black and Biden is white, and you know how black voters are! And after four years of Trump’s steady leadership, urban black voters would obviously have been far less motivated to vote against Trump than they were against McCain or Romney. This proves that Biden won only because of MASSIVE FRAUD!”

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Again, we both know that you’re not fooling anyone, so why bother?

Oh I think everyone can look at the facts and make their own determination of whether or not the vote was legit.

If you think Hiden winning far more black urban voters than obama did, while losing to obama everywhere else looks legit, then bless your heart.

 

[gring]

In the 1940s, the country came together like never before to defeat the Axis powers. Everyone was united in the effort to win World War II, whether it was those who served, or those who were still in the US supporting those that did.

We were truly the UNITED STATES. We had come together around the idea of Law and Order, and we had won WWII as a result.

We were the world's dominant superpower. In every way.

The country was completely unified around the idea of Law and Order. We carried that over into the 1950s, and the country boomed in the 50s.

Starting in the 1960s, we began to see a shift. The reason why is up for debate. Maybe there truly was a plan to destabilize the US as the world's lone superpower. Or maybe some of us just got complacent after years of enormous prosperity.

For whatever reason, we split and became a country where the vast majority of us still believed in Law and Order, but a small minority began to believe that The End Justifies the Means. Over time, the rules began to be enforced unequally. This increased over time, then rules began to be WRITTEN to benefit groups unequally.

I think that's why first Reagan and then Trump were so insanely popular, because both Presidents were and are throwbacks to the Law and Order era where America enjoyed its greatest growth, prosperity, and the 50s, the last time when the country was truly united. Where all Americans shared the same values.

Now, we've reached a point where one party and its voters are perfectly fine with their candidate winning by cheating. Because 'The End Justifies the Means'.

The only way this country can truly be United again is if we hold the same values, as we last did in the 50s.

I don't think there is any easy way to do that. I do know this, if this country becomes United around the idea that The End Justifies the Means, we will indeed become one of those shithole countries where everyone is corrupt and everyone is a criminal.

I think Law and Order will again win out. Let's pray it does.

How can you label a man who lost the 2016 popular vote by almost 3 million votes and lost the 2020 election by more than 7 million votes as being insanely popular despite being a double loser. As for Law and Order, Trumps Pardons are an extension of his own criminality, no President in history has pardoned so many crooks, grifters and war criminals. Law and Order President , hah, just the biggest grifter in US history. Typical of your ilk that you fail to name the struggle for civil rights as the divisive force it was, the civil rights movement caused a huge acceleration of racism which was a major factor in this division you think occurred.

 

[jfegaly]

Of course there are “NeverLefters.” I am one of them, at least for the far left.

The majority of the electorate are neither Trumpers nor far left. Most people don’t have extreme views and are not that partisan. It makes perfect sense that they would prefer a split government to keep both Trump and the far left out of power.

I have spoken to many people who dislike Trump but are equally tired of the SJW/BLM stuff. I don’t know the exact numbers, but I’ll make a ballpark guess that about half of the electorate falls into this category to some degree.

well obviously you aren’t of you wouldn’t have voted for Beijing biden and commiela harris. Or you were truly Uninformed Rere

 

[BillCutting4585]

How can you label a man who lost the 2016 popular vote by almost 3 million votes and lost the 2020 election by more than 7 million votes as being insanely popular despite being a double loser. As for Law and Order, Trumps Pardons are an extension of his own criminality, no President in history has pardoned so many crooks, grifters and war criminals. Law and Order President , hah, just the biggest grifter in US history. Typical of your ilk that you fail to name the struggle for civil rights as the divisive force it was, the civil rights movement caused a huge acceleration of racism which was a major factor in this division you think occurred.

You’re falling for the three card monty trick. You’re focused on popular vote but they just stole an election when you weren’t looking.

 

[jfegaly]

How can you label a man who lost the 2016 popular vote by almost 3 million votes and lost the 2020 election by more than 7 million votes as being insanely popular despite being a double loser. As for Law and Order, Trumps Pardons are an extension of his own criminality, no President in history has pardoned so many crooks, grifters and war criminals. Law and Order President , hah, just the biggest grifter in US history. Typical of your ilk that you fail to name the struggle for civil rights as the divisive force it was, the civil rights movement caused a huge acceleration of racism which was a major factor in this division you think occurred.

What size skinny jeans do you wear? I am guessing you are waiting for a flood as well? Do you have a man bun?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

How can you label a man who lost the 2016 popular vote by almost 3 million votes and lost the 2020 election by more than 7 million votes as being insanely popular