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Making the Rand Paul point is that governments often cause crashes. Take the the last three:
2020 - Covid-19 (thanks Fauci)
2022 - Fiscal overspend (thanks Biden + Fauci)
2025 - Trump Tariffs
Sp500 chart looks worse.
If you go back to 2018, the Fed screwing up interest rates and tariffs caused another drop.
Better answer - cut the ridiculous regulatory burden and let's grow this thing.
Final note - Elon thinks Navarro is a "hack" (paraphrased).
A pullback from 45k to 42k is not a stock market crash. Just stop.
Trump has been very vague on some policies, but he's been incredibly transparent on his economic plan:
1 - Use DOGE to eliminate waste and fraud in government spending. This could potentially save trillions.
2 - Use the threat of tariffs to get economic and other concessions from trading partners, use tariffs to close the trading gap with enemies like China. This has led to numerous monetary commitments from other nations. Japan and Saudia Arabia alone have committed to invest roughly a trillion in the American economy.
3 - Lower the 10-year yield and then refinance our debt at the lower rate. Bessent has been quite clear this is the goal. The 10-year rate has already fallen almost a full percentage point under Trump. Mortgage rates and other lending rates are falling as well. This lowers interest payments on national debt and will surge borrowing by consumers.
4 - (possible) Use additional revenue from tariffs to end income tax. Trump and Lutnick have both said they want to do this.
Diddy, you always fall victim to the fear-mongering from the media about Trump. Remember when you were certain Trump was going to lose in 2024 and all pubs with him cause they overturned Roe v Wade? Media warned the 'female backlash' was coming. Instead, Trump won AND pubs expanded leads in BOTH House AND Senate.
Same thing now. Media is claiming tariffs will crush economy. It's a red herring, what you should be focused on is the 10 year-yield.
The economy booming is the last thing I am worried about happening under Trump. Just PLEASE do me a favor when it happens: Please promise me you will never listen to the media ever again when it comes to Trump. For your own mental health.
This is true...but he eventually came around. But AGAIN...if tariffs do not work...WHY DO WE GET TARIFFED SO MUCH by other Countries?
In his defense, if he invested it the way Dems told him too, it probably is
That's a better take. let's go through these.
#0 - Per morningstar, the S&P 500 has dropped 15.4% since inauguration. Should I annualize that number? That's beyond a correction (10%).
#1 - could not agree more. Love DOGE and have said that again and again. Media has been nothing but driving hysteria around edge case here, edge case here. Have I posted ANY of it? Read my posts - no.
#2 - Yes, to get commitments, force Mexico to what it needs to at the border. All good.
#3 - This is your BEST point. The 10 year just fell under 4%. This is critical.
#4 - THIS is the potential real problem. This suggests that Trump does not just want it for fairness, but to lower taxes on the rich (of which, Sheepmaster, would argue, I am one of them). This suggests that Tarrifs are not a negotiating too for fairness, but an overall feature of his economy.
On 2024, Trump exceeded all expectations. No doubt. Reasons why? Roe v. Wade did not help him. He and his team (Suzy Wiles) removed it from the Republican platform. He performed historically poorly with women.
Why did he win? Your photo was big. Biden being brain dead at the debate destroyed his campaign. Pelosi and Clooney pulled a coup. Harris was a tragically bad candidate. Walz was a DEI pick - and also historically bad and got the stage wiped by JD Vance who was a revelation. It was also anti-semitism. Shapiro was a FAR better VP pick, but Kamala was worried about the palestinian vote in southeast michigan.
Also - he aligned himself with the tech-bro versus christian nationalists. David Sachs and the Allinpodcast crew swung big dollars and silicon valley guys so that now the Dems, in a complete panic, are using the "oligarch" term which after decades of George Soros in a joke.
Why am I animated? I look at my UBS account. It's math, not media, bro. Math. It's the wealth of my parents. It's their panicked calls.
yes, If I post a panicked message because Sonny Hostin told me something, sure, tell Fresno to put me on a one-week ban. Please.
But this aint that.
Bessent has said they don't even care about the stock market's performance, they are focused on the 10 year yield.
Of course they removed it from the platform. Trump ran on overturnin Roe v Wade and giving abortion back to the states. He did that, so it's off the platform.
Abortion is back in the hands of the states. It's settled law.
I just asked Grok how Trump did in the 2016, 2020 and 2024 elections.
Grok says Trump won 41% of the female vote in 2016, 44% in 2020, and 45% in 2024.
If you are planning on liquidating that account sometime in the next 3-6 months, I understand your concern.
Otherwise....watch this interview with Bessent. I think you and your parents will feel a lot better afterward.
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Because of special interests. (sound familiar?) Union leadership influence
But look at GDP growth of France, UK, Germany and Italy compared to the U.S. from 2021 and 2025.
Tariffs, stifling regulations, unionization and work hours all contribute to the lethargy of these countries.
To Trump's credit, they WERE free-riding off of our government spending for NATO defense. even with pharma prices that are fractions of what we pay (I want to see Trump fix that too) and free-rider benefits off of our defense spending, their economies and innovation have been anemic.
China is a communist juggernaut. They are maximizing for the state and the Communist Party, not individuals. But who is going to protest there? One can, but they will be quickly found, identified, taken, punished, jailed and potentially sent tothe xingxang region of china mining raw silica. That has a certain way of stifling dissent. They are a super-power to be sure.
Speeeeeeed loves to call out ghost of brainless but totally ignores him.
You do understand that Trump is issuing these tariffs to END tariffs, not increase their use, correct?
So if you don't like tariffs you should love what's happening right now.
50 countries have capitulated. The entirety of Europe is offering zero tariffs. It's gonna hurt for a quarter or two but stop clutching your pearls and let it play out. Long term this will likely be a massive win for our economy, and perhaps the global economy.
Just curious, what were those calls like in 2022-2024 when the market was down 20% and stayed there for 2 years?
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