Hey MAGAts, who's the socialist?
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Authoritarianism and socialism isn’t the same. In fact the points that Trump and the state department have been making is that if NK drops the nuke programs, then the sanctions go away, and there’s significant interest in the US and Japan to open up the NK economy, if Kim allowed it. The labor pool available in NK is massive, and the people are starving
So actually they are talking about DECREASING the extremely restrictive nature of the communist/socialist economy to a more open and permissive economy
So, nuke program goes away
People get jobs
Food becomes more plentiful
Less people die of starvation
So what if Kim gets filthy rich, those are all good outcomes
So actually they are talking about DECREASING the extremely restrictive nature of the communist/socialist economy to a more open and permissive economy
So, nuke program goes away
People get jobs
Food becomes more plentiful
Less people die of starvation
So what if Kim gets filthy rich, those are all good outcomes
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That doesn’t make any sense. What makes you think that if we relax the sanctions the country will become less communist? Sure, that may be better for the starving people but it won’t change their economic system while KJU is in charge?
I’m sorry if this is somehow beyond your comprehension, I’ll try to break it down for you
Sanctions are a often severe restriction on an economy, regardless of the type of economy
The incentives are eliminating the sanctions and providing development & investment from the US, Japan and others to greatly boost the economy and jump start employment and hence food importation and purchase.
The quid pro quo would be for NK to scrap nuke program and open up the economy to be able to allow the development and investment to occur.... which would also help make Kim and his cronies rich
NK is the most represssed economy on the planet, a 5.8 out of 100 on the economic freedom scale. The last data set from NK in 2017 showed a -3.5% GDP growth which would place it 7th from last in World Bank rankings..... ANY opening of the economy is stepping away from the repression they have .... they only have one way to go which is up
Now does that make sense?
One item I find interesting with this thread: folks whine about the potential of helping NKorea...but fall into absolute silence about the USA intervening into the affairs of other countries but go absolutely ballistic about Putin and the so-called meddling into our 2016 election...but stay absolutely silent over all the election meddling & coups we've done in other countries...gotta love the hypocrisy.
Agent Orange
Agent Orange
I think a lot of “libs” do criticize our interference in other countries’ affairs and then are shouted down as “America haters” by the love it or leave it crowd.
As far as the concern for our helping North Korea, I think it’s related to KJU’s previous threats to nuke us into oblivion, but I’m sure Trump has all the bases covered. He seems very detail oriented.
IrishPokerDog gets it. Heck, he's probably even one of those "morons" who voted for Trump.
IPD gets it, along with one of our nation's brightest economics teachers. Walter Williams. You know, one of those the CNN anchor calls a Negro who doesn't read.
IPD gets it, along with one of our nation's brightest economics teachers. Walter Williams. You know, one of those the CNN anchor calls a Negro who doesn't read.
No, only a dictator worshiper without any knowledge of North Korea and the Kim family could dream up such nonsense. Kim was brought up on what happened to Libya's Khadafi and the Kim's are having none of it. Kim is already rich and he could care less about his people. Trump loves dictators but Kim is playing him and you dreamers better wake up before Kim snitches South Korea which is exactly what he wants.
There is only the carrot or the stick in these matters. In Kim’s family history, they’ve only acted out of self interest.... and their economic structure is in shambles. This guy is threatening nuking Japan and the US with missles at least capable of hitting one.... they must be engaged in some fashion, either diplomatically or something far more violent .... if he “snitches” SK, then it’s war
“Dictator worshipper” shows you aren’t engaging the issue at all logically.... and you’re correct in that Kim doesn’t give a rats about his people, but he does for himself. The carrot is always better than the stick, unless you’re a warmonger....or want to stick haed into sand
Uh, yeah, that part is obvious. Of course if you remove sanctions the economy will improve. But that doesn’t support this comment you made.
“So actually they are talking about DECREASING the extremely restrictive nature of the communist/socialist economy to a more open and permissive economy”
They are not talking about becoming less socialistic or communistic. I don’t know where you got that idea from. Communist countries can still have strong economies, witness China, but the means of production is still controlled by the government.
PS. Don’t kid yourself. Nothing you can post could be beyond my comprehension.
Because the ALT Righties took instruction from the demonCRAPS, that's why...since two (both main parties) can play that game...but to the ALT Righties' credit...they don't concern themselves with safe-spaces, continuous women's victimization, the idiocy of people of color...things like that.
Agent Orange
Agent Orange
As for me? Beginning at an early age I learned from the left, I'm about 1/4 victim, house boy, token, "white boy", traitor and Uncle Tom. I'm too stupid to obtain a photo ID to present at the voting booth. I'm about 1/8 lazy. Any further questions?
My DNA documentation comes from Genelex Labs in Seattle.
My DNA documentation comes from Genelex Labs in Seattle.
Sounds like you have no idea what he's doing. Par for the course.
Ahhh...r u mad? Plz be mad. If trump fights with him u whine and say "trump is evil, look hes getting us into world war 3"... Look at jim careys freakout when he was in Hawaii....if he doesnt trash talk kim hes an authoritarian sympathizer lol FACT: No rocket tests have been conducted by KJU in over a yr. Tensions are down. Trump is winning....AGAIN
Got it, you don’t understand “opening the economy”, and I’m glad you brought up China.
In the mid-late 70s, China embarked upon several major economic reforms after Nixon started dialogue with them about opening up their economy. They certainly wouldn’t give Nixon credit, but the two stage plan did the following:
- de-collectivization of agriculture,
-opening up to foreign investment
- permission for people to start businesses
- privatization of state-owned industry
- lifting of price controls and regulations
That is moving on the scale from communism/socialism towards capitalism, plain and simple. Their growth since has been eight fold. I’m not talking about their communistic government, only the economic aspects. That is “opening an economy” which you can search the term if you wish
That’s is what is being discussed for NK.... which IS proposing they step away from communism/socialism at least in the economic scale. China now has an economic freedom index of 57.8, NK is 5.8..... there’s no where NK can turn but towards capitalism even if it’s small steps
Fine, get rid of your nukes and then we’ll talk, otherwise we’re just helping a power hungry dictator..we don’t need them as a trading partner.
Why are you so interested in helping them improve their economy?
As a means to get rid of their nukes.... it has to be a quid pro quo, or otherwise all we are doing is helping a power hungry dictator
Russia is a nobody on the world stage. Even with the 20% of our uranium that obama and hildabeast sold them.
China is the biggest threat to the world, and the media is trying to tell you the precise opposite, while claiming Russia is the real threat that China is.
One thing we know of the lefty media: When they try to divert your attention in one area, and away from another....there is usually a reason why.
China is the biggest threat to the world, and the media is trying to tell you the precise opposite, while claiming Russia is the real threat that China is.
One thing we know of the lefty media: When they try to divert your attention in one area, and away from another....there is usually a reason why.
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