Harvard study wrecks insurrection narrative of capital riot

[nail1988]

January 6.

oh boy….

@RayGravesGhost @BSC911 @kalimgoodman

Democrats and the media claim the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, was an insurrection, and they’ve pushed that narrative relentlessly. But last week, the Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center published a study that debunked their claim. According to the analysis, most of the rioters were motivated by loyalty to President Trump.

Harvard Study Wrecks Insurrection Narrative of Capitol Riot

pjmedia.com

 

[GatorshimesSubParMember]

"“It is possible to express revulsion about what happened on Jan. 6th without claiming that this was an insurrection and attempt to overthrow the nation,” notes constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley."

Well, as the dictionary defines insurrection as
"an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government" apparently even Harvard educated constitutional scholars don't always get it right.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

@nail1988

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...surrection-narrative-of-capitol-riot-n1617408
Why Did Trump Supporters Storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6? Because of Trump, New Harvard Study Finds

“The documents show that Trump and his allies convinced an unquantifiable number of Americans that representative democracy in the United States was not only in decline, but in imminent, existential danger,” the study said. “This belief translated into a widespread fear of democratic and societal breakdown, which, in turn, motivated hundreds of Americans to travel to DC from far corners of the country in what they were convinced was the nation’s most desperate hour.”

 

[BSC911]

@nail1988

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...surrection-narrative-of-capitol-riot-n1617408
Why Did Trump Supporters Storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6? Because of Trump, New Harvard Study Finds

“The documents show that Trump and his allies convinced an unquantifiable number of Americans that representative democracy in the United States was not only in decline, but in imminent, existential danger,” the study said. “This belief translated into a widespread fear of democratic and societal breakdown, which, in turn, motivated hundreds of Americans to travel to DC from far corners of the country in what they were convinced was the nation’s most desperate hour.”

That pretty much nails it. And it comes out in spades OTB. The loyalty to Trump is so strong that they will not accept any alternative democratically elected result.

Trump over the constitution.

 

[jfegaly]

Haha. PJMedia.

And the troll is talking to himself. Again.

two permaban losers.

 

[GatorshimesSubParMember]

January 6.

oh boy….

@RayGravesGhost @BSC911 @kalimgoodman

Democrats and the media claim the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, was an insurrection, and they’ve pushed that narrative relentlessly. But last week, the Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center published a study that debunked their claim. According to the analysis, most of the rioters were motivated by loyalty to President Trump.

Harvard Study Wrecks Insurrection Narrative of Capitol Riot

pjmedia.com

How does this debunk their claim?
You generally provide good data but this here's a head scratcher.

Swing and a miss, good buddy.

 

[kjfreeze]

Something positive actually came out of Harvard? Amazing.

 

[kjfreeze]

Turn your heads, look away from the rioting of Antifa and BLM, the defamation of national monuments, the destruction of private property, the attack on law enforcement, many, many more innocent deaths... Look away because the Capital was surrounded and then offered an inside, open door look-see by DC police. Loving Americans were incited to violence (via defense) by a force of anti-Americans plotting to destroy America. You Commies gotta stay on course with your lie. Run with it. Run with it to Canada, please. We don't want you here anymore. You're scum. You slither like a snake mimicking your father Satan.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

"Loving" Americans have been getting sentenced for the crimes they committed

 

[fatman76]

How does this debunk their claim?
You generally provide good data but this here's a head scratcher.

Swing and a miss, good buddy.

Because they assumed rioters were going to tell them they were there to stop the counting of EC votes and install Trump as President. The J6 show trail is positioning the riot as an insurrection or a coup to seize power by force. Anyone who saw the dude with his feet on the desk or the old lady posing for a selfie knew that was nonsense the day it happened. It’s was a disorganized riot.

They didn’t get the answer they expected - the truth is it was a simple riot by angry citizens that felt their voice was stolen from them by fraud.

 

[GatorshimesSubParMember]

They didn’t get the answer they expected - the truth is it was a simple riot by angry citizens that felt their voice was stolen from them by fraud.

It meets the definition of insurrection as per the definition I provided.

Still doesn't prove anything.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

It meets the definition of insurrection as per the definition I provided.

Still doesn't prove anything.

Feeling Blessed that our trolls are able to moonlight as Constitutional Law Experts.

And since I suspect this one will soon be joining @RayGravesGhost in Chile, I'll go ahead and update my Ignore list accordingly.

 

[GatorshimesSubParMember]

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Feeling Blessed that our trolls are able to moonlight as Constitutional Law Experts.

And since I suspect this one will soon be joining @RayGravesGhost in Chile, I'll go ahead and update my Ignore list accordingly.

I'm not suggesting that they were attempting to overthrow the government or that Trump told them do so, I'm merely pointing out that their actions meet the definition of insurrection, not placing a value judgement upon it.

 

[BayouGator1995]

@nail1988

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...surrection-narrative-of-capitol-riot-n1617408
Why Did Trump Supporters Storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6? Because of Trump, New Harvard Study Finds

“The documents show that Trump and his allies convinced an unquantifiable number of Americans that representative democracy in the United States was not only in decline, but in imminent, existential danger,” the study said. “This belief translated into a widespread fear of democratic and societal breakdown, which, in turn, motivated hundreds of Americans to travel to DC from far corners of the country in what they were convinced was the nation’s most desperate hour.”

That pretty much nails it. And it comes out in spades OTB. The loyalty to Trump is so strong that they will not accept any alternative democratically elected result.

Trump over the constitution.

Someone has a terrible case of mental-illness by talking to themselves on a friggin' message board🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Because they assumed rioters were going to tell them they were there to stop the counting of EC votes and install Trump as President. The J6 show trail is positioning the riot as an insurrection or a coup to seize power by force.

No. the J6 panel has positioned the insurrection as a bunch of willing idiots that donald trump used in his coup attempt

Funny, you claim to not have watched of followed the hearings but now claim to know how they're "positioning" the insurrectionists

Anyone who saw the dude with his feet on the desk or the old lady posing for a selfie knew that was nonsense the day it happened. It’s was a disorganized riot.

They didn’t get the answer they expected - the truth is it was a simple riot by angry citizens that felt their voice was stolen from them by fraud.

You obviously haven't seen the evidence to contrary that has been presented in the hearings...so of course you believe it was a disorganized spontaneous event

And you believe that so trump is prosecuted...but he did so much more that he can be prosecuted for so keep on ignoring facts

Its all you got

 

[BillCutting4585]

No. the J6 panel has positioned the insurrection as a bunch of willing idiots that donald trump used in his coup attempt

Funny, you claim to not have watched of followed the hearings but now claim to know how they're "positioning" the insurrectionists




You obviously haven't seen the evidence to contrary that has been presented in the hearings...so of course you believe it was a disorganized spontaneous event

And you believe that so trump is prosecuted...but he did so much more that he can be prosecuted for so keep on ignoring facts

Its all you got

A panel in which a bunch of sackless politicians who are putting on a political show to take your attention away from the pedo you voted for. This is called three card Monty and you’re showing us just how smart you truly are by regurgitating their drivel to prove a point that is going no where.

At this point bud, your posts are like you eating your own shit.

 

[nail1988]

A panel in which a bunch of sackless politicians who are putting on a political show to take your attention away from the pedo you voted for. This is called three card Monty and your showing us just how smart you truly are by regurgitating their drivel to prove a point that is going no where.

At this point bud, your posts are like you eating your own shit.

@RayGravesGhost just got wrecked

 

[gatorspeed]

@nail1988

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...surrection-narrative-of-capitol-riot-n1617408
Why Did Trump Supporters Storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6? Because of Trump, New Harvard Study Finds

“The documents show that Trump and his allies convinced an unquantifiable number of Americans that representative democracy in the United States was not only in decline, but in imminent, existential danger,” the study said. “This belief translated into a widespread fear of democratic and societal breakdown, which, in turn, motivated hundreds of Americans to travel to DC from far corners of the country in what they were convinced was the nation’s most desperate hour.”

Ray any red blooded American who doesn’t have their head up Trumps Ass could see clearly what that fat turd was doing, anyone with a Brain wouldn’t need a Harvard study or any other boob to lay it out, I’ll say this as someone who watched that whole event go down, if I’d been a capital police officer getting pepper sprayed and beat with a Trump flag pole, any MAGA cap wearing idiot would’ve gotten shot by me, damn all that standing there taking that no sir not me buddy

 

[gatorspeed]

@RayGravesGhost just got wrecked

Nail your about as dumb as a stump, when you boys gonna stop worshipping Trump and start worshiping the real master??? Jesus

 

[gatorspeed]

A panel in which a bunch of sackless politicians who are putting on a political show to take your attention away from the pedo you voted for. This is called three card Monty and you’re showing us just how smart you truly are by regurgitating their drivel to prove a point that is going no where.

At this point bud, your posts are like you eating your own shit.

Another dummy

 

[BillCutting4585]

Another dummy

Dummy is putting it nicely

 

[SwampD0nk]

Nail your about as dumb as a stump, when you boys gonna stop worshipping Trump and start worshiping the real master??? Jesus

😂

 

[Capt Ron 1]

No. the J6 panel has positioned the insurrection as a bunch of willing idiots that donald trump used in his coup attempt

Funny, you claim to not have watched of followed the hearings but now claim to know how they're "positioning" the insurrectionists




You obviously haven't seen the evidence to contrary that has been presented in the hearings...so of course you believe it was a disorganized spontaneous event

And you believe that so trump is prosecuted...but he did so much more that he can be prosecuted for so keep on ignoring facts

Its all you got

Stopped reading right in the highlighted part. Put ZERO creedance in ANYTHING from them

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Ray any red blooded American who doesn’t have their head up Trumps Ass could see clearly what that fat turd was doing, anyone with a Brain wouldn’t need a Harvard study or any other boob to lay it out, I’ll say this as someone who watched that whole event go down, if I’d been a capital police officer getting pepper sprayed and beat with a Trump flag pole, any MAGA cap wearing idiot would’ve gotten shot by me, damn all that standing there taking that no sir not me buddy

Huh??? LOLOLOL Wins dumbest potd. Not really a fan of Harvard..however there are some fairly smart folks that go there? And since you are a lib...you are a sissy, and do not even know which end of the gun a bullet comes from, so back to your safe space.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

😂

Are you saying that "you are" or "you're" would help this snowflake not look like his teachers in 4th grade failed him?

 

[gatorspeed]

Are you saying that "you are" or "you're" would help this snowflake not look like his teachers in 4th grade failed him?

capt go gators 🐊🐊🐊 ps I didn’t take the time to read your post there’s no use 👍👍

 

[Capt Ron 1]

capt go gators 🐊🐊🐊 ps I didn’t take the time to read your post there’s no use 👍👍

Oh I know..you libs are not very bright...and only care about your fascist agenda's. What I type here cannot change you people. You will always be doomed to think like you do. The SAME kind of thinking that had your kind spit on our military as they retuned from Vietnam...and call them "baby killers" WHILE they were overseas...getting shot at. There is ZERO hope for your kind.

 

[gatorspeed]

Oh I know..you libs are not very bright...and only care about your fascist agenda's. What I type here cannot change you people. You will always be doomed to think like you do. The SAME kind of thinking that had your kind spit on our military as they retuned from Vietnam...and call them "baby killers" WHILE they were overseas...getting shot at. There is ZERO hope for your kind.

Dude get a life, being a full time Asshole doesn’t get you anywhere, hanging out on here bashing folks that don’t support your political beliefs is stupid geez

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Dude get a life, being a full time Asshole doesn’t get you anywhere, hanging out on here bashing folks that don’t support your political beliefs is stupid geez

Listen, son...I LOVE my life! I wake up EVERY SINGLE DAY...and THANK the lord that he did not make me a liberal. You see...I LOVE guns...and know how to use them. I KNOW the difference between a Man and a woman, and KNOW a man cannot get pregnant! I KNOW there are only TWO genders I LOVE America..... I am NOT slow...yet THINK I am smarter than everyone else. I KNOW the United States Constitution, and believe it should ALWAYS be followed. I KNOW what a Constitutional Republic is. I can defend my household. I choose America OVER russia, China, Iran and all of our enemies...100% of the time. I RESPECT the American flag, and ESPECILLY LOVE our Military, and what they have done to keep us free. I believe our LEO's are wonderful people, and that when they give us a lawful command, WE SHOULD LISTEN, and comply. I am NOT a low ethics, low moral human being. I could go on and on. What I am trying to help you understand..WE ARE VERY different.

 

[gatorspeed]

Listen, son...I LOVE my life! I wake up EVERY SINGLE DAY...and THANK the lord that he did not make me a liberal. You see...I LOVE guns...and know how to use them. I KNOW the difference between a Man and a woman, and KNOW a man cannot get pregnant! I KNOW there are only TWO genders I LOVE America..... I am NOT slow...yet THINK I am smarter than everyone else. I KNOW the United States Constitution, and believe it should ALWAYS be followed. I KNOW what a Constitutional Republic is. I can defend my household. I choose America OVER russia, China, Iran and all of our enemies...100% of the time. I RESPECT the American flag, and ESPECILLY LOVE our Military, and what they have done to keep us free. I believe our LEO's are wonderful people, and that when they give us a lawful command, WE SHOULD LISTEN, and comply. I am NOT a low ethics, low moral human being. I could go on and on. What I am trying to help you understand..WE ARE VERY different.

Well old man let me enlighten you, one I’m not your son, two I’m not a liberal, and really don’t give a damn if you believe it or not, three I wake up everyday knowing JESUS is my lord and savior not Donald J Trump, I took the independent route long time ago, I see a pattern with you old farts on here, if you don’t walk the line with supporting the orange Mussolini then you must be a liberal lol okayyyy some of us just see his fatass for what he is, no matter what political stance you take. And YES we are very different, I’m NOT a Trump supporter

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Well old man let me enlighten you, one I’m not your son, two I’m not a liberal, and really don’t give a damn if you believe it or not, three I wake up everyday knowing JESUS is my lord and savior not Donald J Trump, I took the independent route long time ago, I see a pattern with you old farts on here, if you don’t walk the line with supporting the orange Mussolini then you must be a liberal lol okayyyy some of us just see his fatass for what he is, no matter what political stance you take. And YES we are very different, I’m NOT a Trump supporter

OH JESUS...ANOTHER lib ashamed of who she is! LOLOL He lady..I do not blame you here! LOLOLOL

 

[nail1988]

Dude get a life, being a full time Asshole doesn’t get you anywhere, hanging out on here bashing folks that don’t support your political beliefs is stupid geez

 

[gatorspeed]

OH JESUS...ANOTHER lib ashamed of who she is! LOLOL He lady..I do not blame you here! LOLOLOL

Gpa it’s ok you enjoy your day Gpa I’ll leave you to play with the rest of ladies on here, the only weeee bit of acknowledgment I’ll give you is your a Gator fan the rest nahhhh just a straight Trump Turd

 

[BSC911]

Well old man let me enlighten you, one I’m not your son, two I’m not a liberal, and really don’t give a damn if you believe it or not, three I wake up everyday knowing JESUS is my lord and savior not Donald J Trump, I took the independent route long time ago, I see a pattern with you old farts on here, if you don’t walk the line with supporting the orange Mussolini then you must be a liberal lol okayyyy some of us just see his fatass for what he is, no matter what political stance you take. And YES we are very different, I’m NOT a Trump supporter

Ouch. That one left a mark.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

ron still believes that the military only votes republican based on the fact that his friends all vote republican

Its that sort of ignorance that makes him different from everyone....everyone except trumpanzees


https://www.economist.com/united-st...ases-swung-hard-away-from-republicans-in-2020
Military bases swung hard away from Republicans in 2020
By our calculations they moved towards Democrats by eight points, compared with a nationwide swing of just two

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ll-vote-him-he-lost-their-support-ncna1245542
Trump says the military will vote for him. But he lost their support long ago.
Trump treats the armed forces as just another entity he can manipulate for political purposes. That's alienated the troops and the top brass alike.

https://nowthisnews.com/news/vetera...year-and-trump-wants-to-dump-military-ballots
Veterans Showed Up For Biden This Year — And Trump Wants To Dump Military Ballots

While Trump continues to pursue long-shot strategies that he thinks will overturn the democratic election results, which would include throwing out military ballots, President-elect Biden has moved forward with building transition teams and naming advisers, including for veterans’ issues.
By Versha Sharma
Published on 11/11/2020 at 5:25 PM



https://www.businessinsider.com/military-veteran-vote-joe-biden-trump-lawsuit-2020-11
Trump campaign witness says it's 'odd' that US troops voted for Biden in large numbers
David Choi Nov 11, 2020, 6:44 PM

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

@RayGravesGhost just got wrecked

Summertime rates to Chile have been slashed on FresnoGator Airlines.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

ron still believes that the military only votes republican based on the fact that his friends all vote republican

Its that sort of ignorance that makes him different from everyone....everyone except trumpanzees


https://www.economist.com/united-st...ases-swung-hard-away-from-republicans-in-2020
Military bases swung hard away from Republicans in 2020
By our calculations they moved towards Democrats by eight points, compared with a nationwide swing of just two

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ll-vote-him-he-lost-their-support-ncna1245542
Trump says the military will vote for him. But he lost their support long ago.
Trump treats the armed forces as just another entity he can manipulate for political purposes. That's alienated the troops and the top brass alike.

https://nowthisnews.com/news/vetera...year-and-trump-wants-to-dump-military-ballots
Veterans Showed Up For Biden This Year — And Trump Wants To Dump Military Ballots

While Trump continues to pursue long-shot strategies that he thinks will overturn the democratic election results, which would include throwing out military ballots, President-elect Biden has moved forward with building transition teams and naming advisers, including for veterans’ issues.
By Versha Sharma
Published on 11/11/2020 at 5:25 PM



https://www.businessinsider.com/military-veteran-vote-joe-biden-trump-lawsuit-2020-11
Trump campaign witness says it's 'odd' that US troops voted for Biden in large numbers
David Choi Nov 11, 2020, 6:44 PM

Are you military? Do you know ANYONE in the military? Do you live in a military community? Thats what I thought..more cut and paste. I do not read that garbage, son. I do not have to...I have lived in an ENORMUS military community MY WHOLE LIFE. you are posting links?? LOLOL I live it.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Time for MORE education for the dolts

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An analysis from BuzzFeed News found that NowThis News was the most popular left-leaning site on Facebook between 2015 and 2017, and, along with Occupy Democrats, accounted for half of the 50 top posts on Facebook.[21]

PLEASE try harder, son. This is a bit embarrassing.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

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[Capt Ron 1]

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