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...and should therefore not need to risk the vaccine...regardless of how you view said risk.

Want to work at my hospital? Take the antibodies test or the vaccine (after FDA approval) and we can call it a day.

Why do I get the feeling that some to my left won't agree with this common sense?
 
For any of us who have taken the most basic of classes involving immune response (mine is graduate level BME), we know that both the antibodies generated due to infection of the Kung Flu and in response to the vaccine target the spike protein and this is not a shock. So what’s the difference between naturally produced antibodies and vaccine generated antibodie? Bama said it best.
 
I'm willing to take this at face value, but now we need to study if the antibodies are effective against the Delta variant of COVID, because that's coming next.
According to Fauci. The same Fauci that we now know has been lying to us for over a year about covid.

Yet as soon as he says anything about covid, sheep like @LizardGrad89 here snap to attention.

Emotional morons.
 
For any of us who have taken the most basic of classes involving immune response (mine is graduate level BME), we know that both the antibodies generated due to infection of the Kung Flu and in response to the vaccine target the spike protein and this is not a shock. So what’s the difference between naturally produced antibodies and vaccine generated antibodie? Bama said it best.
Only how long they last. That’s the only question.
 
I wouldn't expect antibodies generated from the vaccine to be any different from those naturally generated from COVID exposure. They are both generated from the immune response.
No actually an early research the immune response and antibodies you get from an initial infection tend to wax and wane faster than the ones you get from the vaccine, but there’s not enough research on that to know for sure.
 
None of this is true unless doc mcstuffins says so.
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No actually an early research the immune response and antibodies you get from an initial infection tend to wax and wane faster than the ones you get from the vaccine, but there’s not enough research on that to know for sure.

Take it from an internet doc. A trusted source, with no links to said study.
 
I've noticed many people seem proud to get the shot. Like they brag about it. I say I haven't and I won't. They seemed shocked.

it’s amazing. it was like a bag of honor with some of mu own friends on waste book
 
No actually an early research the immune response and antibodies you get from an initial infection tend to wax and wane faster than the ones you get from the vaccine, but there’s not enough research on that to know for sure.
 
It’s actually much more complicated topic than that because several people were already immune to coronavirus before even came around in this version. So it’s gonna be difficult to tell what version of immunity came from one. Which is why it’s gonna be a little unknown for a long period of time. I’m one of those people that probably had a pretty strong natural immunity to crowbars in the first place because I was exposed to it probably more than most and if I did get it it was a mild cold. It is an interesting concept. But generally immunity from Kohl’s like viruses doesn’t last more than a year give a shit. But there are always exceptions.
 
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It’s actually much more complicated topic than that because several people were already immune to coronavirus before even came around in this version. So it’s gonna be difficult to tell what version of immunity came from one. Which is why it’s gonna be a little unknown for a long period of time. I’m one of those people that probably had a pretty strong natural immunity to crowbars in the first place because I was exposed to it probably more than most and if I did get it it was a mild cold. It is an interesting concept. But generally immunity from Kohl’s like viruses doesn’t last more than a year give a shit. But there are always exceptions.
Sure continue the studies. But right now everything is showing those that have been infected and survived have an extremely low risk of catching it again, better than those that never caught it and have been vaccinated. Now we see that antibodies are lasting longer than the original 4-6 months that was thrown out last year with nothing really backing it up. Bottom line is, the already infected among us are being totally ignored in the discussion and policy decisions.
 
It’s actually much more complicated topic than that because several people were already immune to coronavirus before even came around in this version. So it’s gonna be difficult to tell what version of immunity came from one. Which is why it’s gonna be a little unknown for a long period of time. I’m one of those people that probably had a pretty strong natural immunity to crowbars in the first place because I was exposed to it probably more than most and if I did get it it was a mild cold. It is an interesting concept. But generally immunity from Kohl’s like viruses doesn’t last more than a year give a shit. But there are always exceptions.
You weren’t immune from giving it to BSC last night
 
Did you read the study? What’s your interpretation or take on this study?
Just what the researchers are saying, "Last fall, there were reports that antibodies wane quickly after infection with the virus that causes COVID-19, and mainstream media interpreted that to mean that immunity was not long-lived,"

They also said more studies need to continue which I do not disagree with. But at least they have data to back it up, meanwhile we were given 4-6 month immunity based on the head quacks “gut feeling.”

Did you read the study? What’s your interpretation of it?
 
No actually an early research the immune response and antibodies you get from an initial infection tend to wax and wane faster than the ones you get from the vaccine, but there’s not enough research on that to know for sure.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen numerous other studies call that one into question. What you just stated makes no sense to me. The body is producing antibodies in response to the spike protein, whether from a COVID infection or a vaccine. So how can they last for different times?
 
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Sure continue the studies. But right now everything is showing those that have been infected and survived have an extremely low risk of catching it again, better than those that never caught it and have been vaccinated. Now we see that antibodies are lasting longer than the original 4-6 months that was thrown out last year with nothing really backing it up. Bottom line is, the already infected among us are being totally ignored in the discussion and policy decisions.
I disagree with this part.
Just because you had the virus or got the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t contract it again or even spread it. It just means that you have antibodies that will fight it off and the risk of a bad ‘ride with it’ are significantly reduced.
Case in point...
Oh Ship!
 
I disagree with this part.
Just because you had the virus or got the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t contract it again or even spread it. It just means that you have antibodies that will fight it off and the risk of a bad ‘ride with it’ are significantly reduced.
Case in point...
Oh Ship!
I don’t think you are disagreeing. I didn’t say you can’t catch it but that catching it is lower.

 
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen numerous other studies call that one into question. What you just stated makes no sense to me. The body is producing antibodies in response to the spike protein, whether from a COVID infection or a vaccine. So how can they last for different times?

You questioning doc mcstuffins? You do know he is a marine?
 
I've noticed many people seem proud to get the shot. Like they brag about it. I say I haven't and I won't. They seemed shocked.uck and she won't go
I admitted I got vaxxed once on here. Wasn't bragging just saying. Just to even the score tho I tried to get my wife to go get stuck but she won't go. We're both Repubs tho and that ain't changing no matter how this vaxxing turns out.
 
So what’s the difference between naturally produced antibodies and vaccine generated antibodie?

Aren't the natural antibodies more effective and (likely) more long lasting based on studies from other vaccinations?

I swear I read this somewhere recently but I cannot remember where.

Also, even after your antibody test comes back negative, your immune system is more than capable of reproducing antibodies if it becomes necessary to fight the virus....correct?

I'm asking...but I believe this is correct.
 
I'll return to my doctor soon for tests. Since my #2 Moderna stab March 28, I've had little energy and lost 13 pounds.

My 7 day shingles medicine began May 15. Pain and itching lingers. Rash is fading. Weight loss began immediately after CIOVID shot.
 
Aren't the natural antibodies more effective and (likely) more long lasting based on studies from other vaccinations?

I swear I read this somewhere recently but I cannot remember where.

Also, even after your antibody test comes back negative, your immune system is more than capable of reproducing antibodies if it becomes necessary to fight the virus....correct?

I'm asking...but I believe this is correct.
I am the Director of R&D for a small pharm company. I admit we don’t operate in the vaccine space but I do understand pk/pd.
Antibodies generated from the immune response are all the same. What I know about studies is that the raw data may say one is longer than the other but statistically they are probably the same.
And yes our immune system builds ‘muscle memory’. This makes you less susceptible to bad infections the next time around.
 
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I am the Director of R&D for a small pharm company. I admit we don’t operate in the vaccine space but I do understand pk/pd.
Antibodies generated from the immune response are all the same. What I know about studies is that the raw data may say one is longer than the other but statistically they are probably the same.
And yes our immune system builds ‘muscle memory’. This makes you less susceptible to bad infections the next time around.
I don't know a cotton picking thing about viralogy but I haven't even had the flu in 30 years. I don't get vaccinations, I smoke, I drink, I curse. Advice?;)
 
I admitted I got vaxxed once on here. Wasn't bragging just saying. Just to even the score tho I tried to get my wife to go get stuck but she won't go. We're both Repubs tho and that ain't changing no matter how this vaxxing turns out.
Why did you get it?
 
I am the Director of R&D for a small pharm company. I admit we don’t operate in the vaccine space but I do understand pk/pd.
Antibodies generated from the immune response are all the same. What I know about studies is that the raw data may say one is longer than the other but statistically they are probably the same.
And yes our immune system builds ‘muscle memory’. This makes you less susceptible to bad infections the next time around.

Thanks.
 
I don't know a cotton picking thing about viralogy but I haven't even had the flu in 30 years. I don't get vaccinations, I smoke, I drink, I curse. Advice?;)

COPD
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Lung cancer will probably take you out quicker.

Mom would have been 80 this summer. She spent her last few years on a couch hooked up to oxygen.
 
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