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I posted in another thread, (didn't mean to hijack it) but I think it deserves its own thread.

In the past 15 years; has there been more coaching turnover (offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, head coaches) than the university of Florida (in the power five conferences)? Do coaches even enjoy coaching here?
 
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michigator1 said:
I posted in another thread, (didn't mean to hijack it) but I think it deserves its own thread.

In the past 15 years; has there been more coaching turnover (offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, head coaches) than the university of Florida (in the power five conferences)? Do coaches even enjoy coaching here?
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We are not that high on that list since 2006 at least. I think a bunch of teams have had 4 coaches since about the 06 season while we have only had 3. I also think to our detriment we have not had much coordinator turnover like many teams have had.

As far as head coaches just thinking about it Arkansas, Tenn, Vandy, USC and Michigan have all had 4 coaches since 06 and I am sure there are many others. My guess is you would find the same from 2002 also.
 
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Gator Fever said:
We are not that high on that list since 2006 at least. I think a bunch of teams have had 4 coaches since about the 06 season while we have only had 3. I also think to our detriment we have not had much coordinator turnover like many teams have had.

As far as head coaches just thinking about it Arkansas, Tenn, Vandy, USC and Michigan have all had 4 coaches since 06 and I am sure there are many others. My guess is you would find the same from 2002 also.
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OP wasn't just talking about head coaches. We have had a ridiculous amount of OC's and DC's, lately.
 
The other way to look at it is coaching turnover is usually the sign of a healthy program, at least when it comes to coordinators. If you have really good ones other schools are gonna wanna get them. The smaller schools who can't afford to pay to try and steal a big name coach takes coordinators at big schools instead. We've had a lot of turnover at the position coaches but not so much coordinators recently. the turnover we've had is mainly because they've been bad and have been fired.
 
oozie7 said:
The other way to look at it is coaching turnover is usually the sign of a healthy program, at least when it comes to coordinators. If you have really good ones other schools are gonna wanna get them. The smaller schools who can't afford to pay to try and steal a big name coach takes coordinators at big schools instead. We've had a lot of turnover at the position coaches but not so much coordinators recently. the turnover we've had is mainly because they've been bad and have been fired.
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Well doesn't some small school want Nuss??? Please!!!
 
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oozie7 said:
The other way to look at it is coaching turnover is usually the sign of a healthy program, at least when it comes to coordinators. If you have really good ones other schools are gonna wanna get them. The smaller schools who can't afford to pay to try and steal a big name coach takes coordinators at big schools instead. We've had a lot of turnover at the position coaches but not so much coordinators recently. the turnover we've had is mainly because they've been bad and have been fired.
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Spurrier and Meyer weren't fired, they quit. Zook and Champ were fired because you assumed you could do better. Zook averaged 3 losses, Champ averaged 3.75, MacElwain is averaging 4.0 assuming you win your bowl game, 4.5 if you lose.

Urban Meyer in contrast averaged 2.5 losses over 6 years, but that includes 5 losses in his lasat year. over his first 5 years, he averaged just 2 losses per year. As a point of reference, over 7 years, Jimbo Fisher is averaging 2.4 to 2.6 losses, depending on whether FSU wins its bowl game. If you exclude Fisher's first year, he's averaging 2.17 losses, similar to Meyer's run at UF. Saban is averaging just 1.8 losses at Bama, and if you exclude his first year its just 1.3 losses per year.

Like Jimbo, Mac has the Saban experience, he just needs more time. FSU gave Fisher time, as will Georgia (who also has a Saban assistant).
 
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Pepe Nole said:
Spurrier and Meyer weren't fired, they quit. Zook and Champ were fired because you assumed you could do better.
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Why are you responding to my post where I specifically talked about coordinators and assistant coaches with what recent HC's did? That wasn't the point of my post. Even the OP mentioned coordinators before HC's. It's basically truth that there's going to be turnover at healthy programs with coordinators and position coaches. Those guys move on to jobs with more responsibility.
 
oozie7 said:
Why are you responding to my post where I specifically talked about coordinators and assistant coaches with what recent HC's did? That wasn't the point of my post. Even the OP mentioned coordinators before HC's. It's basically truth that there's going to be turnover at healthy programs with coordinators and position coaches. Those guys move on to jobs with more responsibility.
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because when you lose HC's, you lose all the assistants too.
 
Pepe Nole said:
Spurrier and Meyer weren't fired, they quit. Zook and Champ were fired because you assumed you could do better. Zook averaged 3 losses, Champ averaged 3.75, MacElwain is averaging 4.0 assuming you win your bowl game, 4.5 if you lose.
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Ron Zook went 8-5, 8-5, 7-4.

That's 4.67 losses a year.

Id love to know the math where he aberaged 3 losses.

Muschamp went 7-6, 11-2, 4-8, 6-5.

That's 5.25 losses a year, not 3.75

Oh, and as for Mac averaging 4? He also actually got to Atlanta twice in two years, something Zook and Muschamp couldn't do once in 7 years.

Nice try though.
 
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Pepe Nole said:
because when you lose HC's, you lose all the assistants too.
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Ok but if you look at our staffs that hasn't really been the case. Under Meyer Mullen, Addazio, and Strong left for HC jobs. There really wasn't a ton of turnover. Muschamp had Weis and Quinn leave for HC jobs and had Pease fired. Really wasn't much turnover beyond that. So far Mac has had one assistant change with Callahan.

So I would say it's more perception for UF than anything. I don't really care about position coaches because those guys are almost always on year-to-year cheap contracts so turnover there is expected. I'd be more concerned about coordinators but like I said when they're good you're gonna lose them after 2-3 years because that's who small schools pick off the be head coaches. Look at Bama Sarkisian is gonna be their 5th OC and 2 Pruitt is their 2nd DC. And if Smart wasn't holding out for the UGA job all these years that DC number would have been higher.
 
I thought Zook had 5 losses the year he got fired too, or at least we had 5 losses with the bowl game he didn't coach in and Strong did against Miami...
 
Only in 2004 was the SEC East representative ranked as low as Florida was in its highest ranking out of the last 2 years going into the SECCG during the 7 years of Zook and Muschamp and in 4 of those 7 years the SEC East representative was ranked in the top 5 nationally going into the game.
 
Gator Fever said:
Only in 2004 was the SEC East representative ranked as low as Florida was in its highest ranking out of the last 2 years going into the SECCG during the 7 years of Zook and Muschamp and in 4 of those 7 years the SEC East representative was ranked in the top 5 nationally going into the game.
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Chump had hands down the best single season of the 3
 
Michi-Gator said:
Chump had hands down the best single season of the 3
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Yep due to that crazy defense. I think that was the year Georgia barely missed beating Bama in the SECCG and would have been playing for the national championship themselves if they had won.
 
oozie7 said:
Ok but if you look at our staffs that hasn't really been the case. Under Meyer Mullen, Addazio, and Strong left for HC jobs. There really wasn't a ton of turnover. Muschamp had Weis and Quinn leave for HC jobs and had Pease fired. Really wasn't much turnover beyond that. So far Mac has had one assistant change with Callahan.

So I would say it's more perception for UF than anything. I don't really care about position coaches because those guys are almost always on year-to-year cheap contracts so turnover there is expected. I'd be more concerned about coordinators but like I said when they're good you're gonna lose them after 2-3 years because that's who small schools pick off the be head coaches. Look at Bama Sarkisian is gonna be their 5th OC and 2 Pruitt is their 2nd DC. And if Smart wasn't holding out for the UGA job all these years that DC number would have been higher.
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You're right. Most of the coaches left here because they got fired or they moved on to a better position/promotion. The OP's statement questioning whether coaches "enjoy" coaching here is a bunch of crap. Assistant coaches move more often than head coaches as a general rule at all programs
 
Dannygator1989 said:
Ron Zook went 8-5, 8-5, 7-4.

That's 4.67 losses a year.

Id love to know the math where he aberaged 3 losses.

Muschamp went 7-6, 11-2, 4-8, 6-5.

That's 5.25 losses a year, not 3.75

Oh, and as for Mac averaging 4? He also atually got to Atlanta twice in two years, something Zook and Muschamp couldn't do once in 7 years.

Nice try though.
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I stand corrected. I was dropping the higher loss years in the first year but not reducing the denominator. my mistake.

So you have
Zook - 4.67
Champ - 5.25
Mac - 4.00 (or 4.5 depending on bowl).

Mac is the best coast you've had since Meyer. But Meyer is probably the best coach in the country after Saban.
 
Coaches - smoches....

For 9 consecutive years (2009-17), there has been at least 1 Gator in the NFL Pro Bowl.
This year there were 4 named to the Pro Bowl:
FS Reggie 'freakin' Nelson, OC Maurkice Pouncey, CB Janoris Jenkins, and TE Jordan Reed.
BTW, Reed is now the fastest TE to get 200 receptions in NFL history.

The only school with more former players in the 2017 Pro Bowl is Bama with 6.

There are 7 other schools with 3 Pro Bowlers, including UGA, and aTm from the SEC.
Also LSU-2, MsSt-2, TN-2 --- Ark-1, SCa-1, VU-1
With a total of 25 from SEC schools.
 
michigator1 said:
I posted in another thread, (didn't mean to hijack it) but I think it deserves its own thread.

In the past 15 years; has there been more coaching turnover (offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, head coaches) than the university of Florida (in the power five conferences)? Do coaches even enjoy coaching here?
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Its not that they don't like Coaching here but more on the lines they are using UF for their own selfish gain. They come here, get a name for themselves then go elsewhere to Coach for one single thing, money. This is the Coaches who don't get fired or asked to resign.

In today's Coaching philosophy this is what its about where in the old days Coaches use to come and stay. I'd wish SOS was able to retire from here but Foley screwed that one up.
 
HardeeWildcatFan said:
Its not that they don't like Coaching here but more on the lines they are using UF for their own selfish gain. They come here, get a name for themselves then go elsewhere to Coach for one single thing, money. This is the Coaches who don't get fired or asked to resign.

In today's Coaching philosophy this is what its about where in the old days Coaches use to come and stay. I'd wish SOS was able to retire from here but Foley screwed that one up.
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Don't they get paid enough or do we notoriously underpay ?
 
instaGATOR said:
Coaches - smoches....

For 9 consecutive years (2009-17), there has been at least 1 Gator in the NFL Pro Bowl.
This year there were 4 named to the Pro Bowl:
FS Reggie 'freakin' Nelson, OC Maurkice Pouncey, CB Janoris Jenkins, and TE Jordan Reed.
BTW, Reed is now the fastest TE to get 200 receptions in NFL history.

The only school with more former players in the 2017 Pro Bowl is Bama with 6.

There are 7 other schools with 3 Pro Bowlers, including UGA, and aTm from the SEC.
Also LSU-2, MsSt-2, TN-2 --- Ark-1, SCa-1, VU-1
With a total of 25 from SEC schools.
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More off topic stats!! Yay!! What a night!
 
Pepe Nole said:
Champ averaged 3.75, (losses)
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Math is hard for FSU fans. But if they were smart, they would not be FSU fans

2011-six losses
2012-two losses
2013-eight losses
2014-five loses

That is twenty one losses in four years. But boy genius says that averages 3.75 per year.
 
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