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Do you honestly believe that Socialism, Denmark's version if you like, would actually work in the US?
An honest one word answer would be great. You can spin like a top after that if you like.
An honest one word answer would be great. You can spin like a top after that if you like.
I'll take a jab at your question, @BamaFan1137...I see the answer to your question is of two parts: yes, Denmark's socialist style of governance could work here easily...anything, capitalism could work here in the USA if properly implemented and the rules were actually followed...and no, Danish style socialism would not work here as there are too many millions of people too welfare dependent...too many millions of all races who could work but refuse to who are more concerned with screwing over Uncle Sam for past grievances...I will say this for Denmark...at present...Denmark is more homogeneous than we (the USA) is for the most part so their style of taxation-governance works well in Denmark but I don't believe it could work here...due to demographics.
If I were to decide to leave the USA...with where I have traveled/visited...Switzerland would be the obvious choice...the next choice from what I've read about and studied about would be Iceland...Switzerland is serious about being Swiss...and I like that.
Agent Orange
If I were to decide to leave the USA...with where I have traveled/visited...Switzerland would be the obvious choice...the next choice from what I've read about and studied about would be Iceland...Switzerland is serious about being Swiss...and I like that.
Agent Orange
Forget the Denmark dream for the U. S. Denmark has a population of 5.8 million.
So now it's the size of the country. Always some excuse for our Billionaire overlords.
Good lapdogs! Keep it up! Maybe when you are 90 lying in a pool of your own shi* in a hovel they allow you to die in, just maybe they will send you another fundraising email.
Agent Orange, please give a shot trying to explain all the factors that go into socialism. As you know, coherent debate with some here is completely beyond my reach.
How bout the factors that go into no social safety nets for an aging population or help for the disabled. Good luck f*ckers! You will need it!
How about the factors of where US politicians have allowed social INsecurity to languish in debt to trillions of dollars and for two parties that claim to be "for the people"...neither have done anything...well, the dems have...after all, Hilluree said (paraphrased)..."we will $tregthen social security"...code for "we're gonna raise the hell out of your taxes and still find many ways to waste your tax dollars and keep having to have debt ceiling raises leading to government shutdowns...which of course, we can blame on the republican party."
But since the democratic party is one of the two parties that happen to be pro-war, wasting money, running huge deficits,pleasing their donor$...we expect little from the dems...and that's basically what we have received.
I see @urtren may need to up his dosage of Midol...wonder if the Preparation H Wipes are helping him.
Agent Orange
@urtren reads all that is posted here...yet seldom responds to animated discussion in reply...like the needy ones...you can only offer to help so much.
"Convince a fool against his will...he is of the same opinion, still."
He (@urtren) is fun to troll, though...practice is good for the soul.
Agent Orange
The average income in America is 60,000.
You know how long it would take to earn 1 billion on the average salary without spending 1 dime?
17,000 YEARS! YOU MAGATS ARE FUC*ING SUCKERS.
There is no trickle down, there is the 1% whose wealth has increased 600% since 1980, and America's health care, the most expensive in the world with a declining life expectancy.
Good thing is those under 50 get it. We will be fine. Shame you old guys will die horribly with zero quality of life once disabled, but hey, at least the Kochs and Waltons will make that extra 100 million a month for a few more years!
@rtren writes (and rants):
"There is no trickle down, there is the 1% whose wealth has increased 600% since 1980, and America's health care, the most expensive in the world with a declining life expectancy."
Several points:
Unless someone was born into landed wealth...anyone who becomes wealthy ***always*** "trickles up" due to hard work, a game plan to save less than you make, having good connections, producing products that are needed...or have Global Initiatives or having someone ghost-writing a book for you where you can make millions off of that book.
And we might wonder about the many white, black, hispanic, or any other racial makeup of children who ruined their chances to "trickle up" due to teenage pregnancies or other pi$$ poor decisions they might have made...not to mention going deeply in debt with degrees in lesbian dance or 17th century Algerian literature.
Perhaps life expectancy here in the USA might be elevated by refraining from a fast-food diet, keeping one's weight under control, getting regular exercise, keeping intake of sugars reduced...just a few ideas.
None of the above ideas you chose to mention.
Just wouldn't fit your M.O.
Hardly surprising.
Agent Orange
"There is no trickle down, there is the 1% whose wealth has increased 600% since 1980, and America's health care, the most expensive in the world with a declining life expectancy."
Several points:
Unless someone was born into landed wealth...anyone who becomes wealthy ***always*** "trickles up" due to hard work, a game plan to save less than you make, having good connections, producing products that are needed...or have Global Initiatives or having someone ghost-writing a book for you where you can make millions off of that book.
And we might wonder about the many white, black, hispanic, or any other racial makeup of children who ruined their chances to "trickle up" due to teenage pregnancies or other pi$$ poor decisions they might have made...not to mention going deeply in debt with degrees in lesbian dance or 17th century Algerian literature.
Perhaps life expectancy here in the USA might be elevated by refraining from a fast-food diet, keeping one's weight under control, getting regular exercise, keeping intake of sugars reduced...just a few ideas.
None of the above ideas you chose to mention.
Just wouldn't fit your M.O.
Hardly surprising.
Agent Orange
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@urten writes:
"Good thing is those under 50 get it. We will be fine. Shame you old guys will die horribly with zero quality of life once disabled, but hey, at least the Kochs and Waltons will make that extra 100 million a month for a few more years!"
Several more points:
1. Nobody ever "gets it."...many believe they do...but they don't.
Everyone is always in "training."...the learning never stops...until you take your last breath.
2. Jealousy and envy will get you nowhere...hard work just might.
3. You sound as if anger management is a concept you need to confront...you can always call and speak to trained professionals and get help...if nothing else, dial 911 and the folks in the white lab coats will show up soon...stay strong...we're rootin' for 'ya!
Agent Orange
"Good thing is those under 50 get it. We will be fine. Shame you old guys will die horribly with zero quality of life once disabled, but hey, at least the Kochs and Waltons will make that extra 100 million a month for a few more years!"
Several more points:
1. Nobody ever "gets it."...many believe they do...but they don't.
Everyone is always in "training."...the learning never stops...until you take your last breath.
2. Jealousy and envy will get you nowhere...hard work just might.
3. You sound as if anger management is a concept you need to confront...you can always call and speak to trained professionals and get help...if nothing else, dial 911 and the folks in the white lab coats will show up soon...stay strong...we're rootin' for 'ya!
Agent Orange
A very bold and honest answer. I agree for the most part btw.
Communism would work VERY well everywhere IF everyone would pull their weight and there was no such thing as ego. It's the same with Socialism but obviously not everyone will pull their weight. And in this country not nearly enough would.
Not a joke...that sounds a lot more likely as a result of your dream than ours (Socialism vs Capitalism).
Allow = less choice and obviously there's much less choice in a Socialist system. By design ftr.
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Denmark has an account surplus in trade, has large amounts of oil and is a creditor nation...Translation outside sources of "income" allow 6 million people to have a government subsidized lifestyle via heavy taxation on that easy money.
These small countries can bring in enough outside income to prop up there welfare states...330M people well hmmm if we could export enough sh&t to China and India maybe we could do it. But you have to have a group larger than the recipients in actual physical numbers to make this stuff work...its math
These small countries can bring in enough outside income to prop up there welfare states...330M people well hmmm if we could export enough sh&t to China and India maybe we could do it. But you have to have a group larger than the recipients in actual physical numbers to make this stuff work...its math
DC is one who assumes one with 2 functioning brain cells knows socialism works differently when population numbers vary. Most of us labor under the same assumption. urtren proves us wrong.
Go on with yo' bad self, DC!
Very well written.
Just what we expect.
Agent Orange
Now do kleptocracy, because that's what we are in today. No fairness, everything rigged to the wealthy and connected, the wealthy squashing the American dream that got them there out of pure greed.
I don't give a damn if someone is a Billionaire, I just want them to pay every bit of the 39.5% of tax I have to. I can't cheat, manipulate or shuffle my way out of jack shi*.
Why am I paying a lower rate than every billionaire/punk wall street bitch or hedge bro that contributes ZERO to the economy?
This economy is consumer driven. The American consumer fuels the globe. The rich? Horde, manipulate, suppress.
You know why 130 CEOs promised to be better citizens? Fear. Fear of a rising tide of millions of pissed off consumers and middle class laborers just like me tired of being cheated.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/business/business-roundtable-ceos-corporations.html.
Wealth worship is over. Fairness, equality is rising as the driving concern amongst those who actually give a shi* about their families' futures.
Enjoy the show
Can one educate an imbecile raised on envy and covetousness? I dunno.
1. what was the GDP in current dollars in 1969 vs today?
2.thought exercise: You, John and I live in the boonies and are neighbors. John and I hate you because you are a douche. We live in your utopian paradise and all make $100 over our needs per month. Anything over that is taxed at 90% to make it a more equal society. You break your freaking leg because you are a dumb@ss.
Codes aka gubmint regulators are on your @ss to cut your grass. Now DC aint doing it because he waits on the third letter from codes before he does his own d@mn yard. The fine is $1200 in libtard utopia. So John is available and he cuts grass for a living.
Great! Except he shuts down after the 15th of the month because any extra income is taxed at 90% . You offer him your entire $100 but he says NO WAY. not for $10 after tax you douche. Ah but a deal is to be had ...If you buy $500 worth of Jack Daniels and give it to him he will cut your yard. But that blows your fun money and now John has more wealth than you as he keeps his $500 over the next five months but yours is gone...well d@amn so much for utopia.
The lesson: wealth inequality drives an economy.
1. what was the GDP in current dollars in 1969 vs today?
2.thought exercise: You, John and I live in the boonies and are neighbors. John and I hate you because you are a douche. We live in your utopian paradise and all make $100 over our needs per month. Anything over that is taxed at 90% to make it a more equal society. You break your freaking leg because you are a dumb@ss.
Codes aka gubmint regulators are on your @ss to cut your grass. Now DC aint doing it because he waits on the third letter from codes before he does his own d@mn yard. The fine is $1200 in libtard utopia. So John is available and he cuts grass for a living.
Great! Except he shuts down after the 15th of the month because any extra income is taxed at 90% . You offer him your entire $100 but he says NO WAY. not for $10 after tax you douche. Ah but a deal is to be had ...If you buy $500 worth of Jack Daniels and give it to him he will cut your yard. But that blows your fun money and now John has more wealth than you as he keeps his $500 over the next five months but yours is gone...well d@amn so much for utopia.
The lesson: wealth inequality drives an economy.
This is stupid as hell. Nobody is talking about taxing regular earnings at a higher rate. Those that actually do the work are taxed to hell.
I am talking about the uber wealthy. Creating no jobs, spending no real money to help this economy. They are human sponges. There is only so much revenue produced. When the top sucks it all up thru tax cuts, 8-9% real tax rates, it means less for the 99% to fight over.
Why is capital gains 15%? Why is that money more important than the money a wage earner creates thru a small business that creates jobs rather than share value?
BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO LOBBY POLITICIANS. BECAUSE THEY DONATE VAST SUMS TO CANDIDATES IN SECRET.
How bout that money go towards helping their employees rather than the Mitch McConnell's of the world.
I know the Koch brothers(one down, one to go) have done a great job making you morons protect them, but the effect is aging out.
Millenials will be the first generation worse off than their parents. Think they aren't pissed? Cant buy a house because college prices are non-sensical. One illness=bankruptcy. One layoff=homelessness.
It went too far. Greed will cause the hardest left turn this country has ever seen. That will be the real legacy of this Boomer greed orgy.
LOL the income tax was sold to the masses as a tax of 3% on the top 1%. I guess the fools back then trusted the politicians with their money. Or socialist as usual convinced the useful idiots that it would be other peoples money not theirs that would be taken. . What is stupid as hell is to think that utopia can be had by taxing the rich.
Oh, False Prophet (@urtren):
Remember, in a recent post...you said (paraphrased)..."we, the ones under 50 get it."...(even though you don't)...next, you said, "we'll be fine."...remember that post?
Well, since you're (and the others under 50, myself included) are gonna do so fine, as you say...just why are you whining so much?...since you're gonna be doing "so fine" and all these unicorns and rainbows are headed you way?
You forget that within any regime or any type of governance whether it be socialism, capitalism, or whatever (aka what + ever)...there's always gonna be those with power and there's always gonna be those with 'da money...there's always been wealth inequality and there will be always be power and wealth inequality...even a troll such as yourself should be cognizant of such.
I could care the least if billionaires pay less taxes than myself...I pay what is due from my wages...and that's that...and if folks such as yourself and myself spend the time and effort to better ourselves financially...we both will see moar money coming our way...that's simply how that game works...as I see the matter...it's the end game that matters (moar money and moar resources for myself) and much, much less worry over what others are paying in taxes...remember, it's the end game that counts.
If you and I are maximizing our best efforts "to the max"...we know the goodies are headed our way...it's simply a matter of time...and we can be more patient for results...or we should be more patient for results.
I do better taking better care of my "bidness" (business) instead of worrying about what others are doing...how they're doing it...or if they're doing it at all.
You mention about greed and how greed will turn this country so far to the left as this country has ever seen and like many younger people do (but I don't)...big whoop!...you should remember that as long as there is money, currency, the ability to barter, to share with those you care about, and those with an I.Q. north of the freezing point (who can plot, plan, and strategize)...there will always be ways to advance yourself professionally, socially, and financially.
Social trends, financial trends, and political trends are much like the seasons...they change, they evolve...but they're always present...it's your duty as it is mine to "use what you have to get what you want."
Yes, it's amusing to go back and forth to discuss/argue political topics...but that's all that is: discourse that really isn't changing anyone's mind about much of anything.
You're a smart guy, obviously...and since you have the ability to troll us as well as we easily troll you in return...we know you're also capable of finding, creating newer streams of income and opportunity as we can do...but are you gonna do it?...are we?
So, since you "get it" as you claimed...and since you'll do fine (as you claimed)...shut up about taxes...nobody cares...pay what you owe, keep your slate clean, move forward, and come up with a better game plan...and if karma and lady luck smile upon you together...then you can show us "how it's done."
Regardless of low left or how right things turn.
Agent Orange
Agent Orange said, "You're a smart guy, obviously..."
Agent Orange feeble attempt at humor? Next we'll hear AOC and Omar are smart girls?
Is Agent Orange throwing a bone for his very low level of success in getting through where the rest of us fell?
Agent Orange feeble attempt at humor? Next we'll hear AOC and Omar are smart girls?
Is Agent Orange throwing a bone for his very low level of success in getting through where the rest of us fell?
I'm starting to think @urtren is really a Trump supporter using satire to show how idiotic and gullible the left is.
AOC and Omar (with the rest of the Squid (Squad) are smart...smart enough to say the things it took to get them elected.
And while they were smart enough to get elected...what does that say for those folks who voted for them?
I call those folks "the Squid" because like their counterparts in nature (the seas)...they'll wrap their tentacles around something and squeeze it to death then consuming it.
Agent Orange
And while they were smart enough to get elected...what does that say for those folks who voted for them?
I call those folks "the Squid" because like their counterparts in nature (the seas)...they'll wrap their tentacles around something and squeeze it to death then consuming it.
Agent Orange
I iterate. My fear is not AOC. It's the gang who voted for her.
Should I say the same tomorrow, I'll reiterate.
Should I say the same tomorrow, I'll reiterate.
Nein, Herr Indianer...I haven't gotten through to anyone...not @urtren either...I don't suppose I've ever changed anyone's mind about much of anything.
Agent Orange
You sell yourself short. Your quite capable of coherent debate. I've actually seen you get the attention of urtren, where the rest of us fail miserably.
You're a master at making the simple simpler. Heck. I would select you to teach a foreign language to AOC and urtren. I see you among us as most likely to have success.
No, SBI...I observe folks in silence...watch their body language...listen for what is said and what's not being said.
I might be a bit more than average...but like most folks, "I have to work it."
But for what I lack...the power of observation and reading in between the lines has been a big, big help.
Appreciate the compliments.
And I say thank you.
Agent Orange
I might be a bit more than average...but like most folks, "I have to work it."
But for what I lack...the power of observation and reading in between the lines has been a big, big help.
Appreciate the compliments.
And I say thank you.
Agent Orange
To Denmark's possible advantage...I bet they do not have rat and feces infested such as Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Baltimore...if I had the choice of those three cities or Denmark...Denmark, here I come!
Agent Orange
If, at the end of the day, you're paying 39.5% then you are a goofball of epic proportions.
You aren't though, net-net.
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