Da U that bad or is Clemson that good?
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Miami is awful and so is Golden. I would like to see Miami win just enough games to keep Golden around but today may have sealed his fate.
Say what you want about Muschamp and his teams here, but not once did they EVER give up. That Miami team gave up. Flat out gave up that game by halftime. Didn't care anymore. Would you? If you looked up and saw all those teal seats and less than 3000 fans in the stadium at kickoff, would you be going out there willing to sacrifice your body for the school and the team? Maybe your teammates, but your coaching staff are all dead men walking and everyone knows it. Golden is outta there. The fanbase doesn't exist. There's no effort involved, they were letting 3rd string Clempson offense players run against them at will.
Win or lose, the one thing I never want to see from our team is for them to just flat out quit in a game. Even against Missouri last year in what I believe is the worst game I have ever witnessed in The Swamp, we still came back and prevented getting shut out in the 4th quarter and were putting points up. Defense still held that team to under 120 yards of offense in a massively losing effort. Miami has just plain quit and that's when you're embarrassing as a team.
Win or lose, the one thing I never want to see from our team is for them to just flat out quit in a game. Even against Missouri last year in what I believe is the worst game I have ever witnessed in The Swamp, we still came back and prevented getting shut out in the 4th quarter and were putting points up. Defense still held that team to under 120 yards of offense in a massively losing effort. Miami has just plain quit and that's when you're embarrassing as a team.
No. Injured, worn out defense, ineffective offense, legally inept coaching, whatever you want to say in that game, the players didn't just give up. They were still trying to the very end. I wouldn't have stayed in the stands till the end otherwise.
Chit no they weren't giving up. They tried so hard they blocked each other.
They were just mishandled and injured.
The fall of a once mighty program has been happening for a while now. I don't know why recruits would give them a second look, no fan base whatsoever!
sadgator is not sure who or what specifically was responsible for the demolition of the Orange Bowl, but that person or group of people will go down in history as the ones that forever destroyed that program. They play in a rented facility over an hour away from the campus. Nobody gives a rat's ass about them, and they have lost absolutely all identity as a program.
sadgator knows space is tight down there, but they desperately need something like that Beckham soccer stadium deal to bring them closer to UM. Even that probably won't save it. sadgator thinks we are witnessing a fade into obscurity much like what happened to Yale and the service academies.
For the record, sadgaptor thinks that person, or group of persons, is/are hero(es).
sadgator knows space is tight down there, but they desperately need something like that Beckham soccer stadium deal to bring them closer to UM. Even that probably won't save it. sadgator thinks we are witnessing a fade into obscurity much like what happened to Yale and the service academies.
For the record, sadgaptor thinks that person, or group of persons, is/are hero(es).
Did joining the ACC actually kill the program or is that a coincidence?
That is true too. Miami had a free pass to a BCS bowl every year when they were in the Big East. sadgator was astonished when they voluntarily gave that up. It could be said that real regular season competition killed them. Then they demolished the OB on top of it.
It is almost like the Miami administrators were actively trying to destroy the program.
It is almost like the Miami administrators were actively trying to destroy the program.
List all of the years in UF History that the team had 72 lost starts due to injury.
Where they were playing with the 3rd teamer at both QB and MLB....
There are probably quite a few ITG readers too young to recall that, in the late 1970s, Miami administrators were seriously debating whether to abolish their college football program. But instead, they decided to hire Howard (don't call me "Leslie"!) Schnellenberger as head football coach. Altho' he was an All-American player at Kentucky, and had a prestigious ascent as an assistant coach for college and NFL teams, he was a 4--13 failure in his only previous head-coaching job: 1 season + 3 games for the Bal'more Colts in 1973--1974, resulting a firing from which he retreated to an assistant job back with the Miami Dolphins. That's where he was when U. Miami hired him.
And let's not forget where the buck stops: The president of U. Miami in 2001--2015: Donna Shalala, who became known in her previous academic job, as the chancellor of the University of Wisconsin (Madison), in 1988--1993, as "Political-Correctness Shalala" (she had earned notoriety for her unconstitutional "speech code"). So how much of a genuine friend would you expect her to be for the men's athletic programs, when behind the doors of her presidential office on campus, thus safe from scrutiny by boosters & dwindling fans? I suspect that she cynically considers men's revenue producing sports as merely the financial means for supporting women's sports, all of which at U. Miami are almost certainly revenue-consuming sports by planning or in practice.
U. Miami eventually conceded, in public, that the costs of athletic travel, i.e., to away-games, meets, &c. of the predominately Yankee member schools of the Big Least, was a major factor eating away at their thinly $upported athletics programs. It's a mystery to me why that wouldn't have been obvious to U. Miami administrators as a potentially severe financial & academic problem before they joined in 1991/1992. Especially its nonrevenue sports with largish rosters, e.g.: men's & women's indoor-&-outdoor track-&-field, and whatever "women's" sports teams they founded to equalize the raw numbers of women's scholarships with men's (perhaps, e.g., women's soccer, softball, lacrosse).
When U. Miami teams crossed the Mason-Dixon line for the last time in their final Big Least season, in 2004/2005, to settle into the ACC chicken coop, I have no doubt that doing so was primarily a financial decision. Which Shalala was then in office to approve. Let's not forget that the ACC was eager to extend the membership invitation, to pander to the false god known as "T.v. Footprint", eagerly expecting to have their income from t.v. contracts enriched by the still-big-time football attractions of U. Miami (2001-season BCS Champ.) and their rivals at FSU.
But surprise, surprise, surprise! Beginning with 2005, taking advantage of defections in the Big Least, expansion of the ACC continued and sprawled northward, passing the Mason-Dixon line. So U. Miami would again have its athletic budget eaten away by routinely paying for travel to compete on ACC campuses in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, and only for nonrevenue sports, in Indiana. Which were among the distant campuses to which it paid for travel when it was in the Big Least!
I am indeed indulging in schadenfreude: There's no one I'm happier to see suffer the burden that's placed on college athletics programs by Title IX (U.S. Code), than Donna Shalala. Who's earned a prominent place on a top-10 list for bad karma in college athletics.
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Not sure what the hell you just said, but you know sadgator believes in karma.
Listening to some national talk radio this morning, if both Clemson and Memphis finish undefeated Memphis would have beaten more ranked teams.
American Athletic Conference look'n like a P5. Temple, Memphis and Houston look'n to make some waves!
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<http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2984425>:
Miami leaving Orange Bowl, will play in Dolphin Stadium
Associated Press 8/21/2007
CORAL GABLES, Fla.
[....] Miami football called it home for 7 decades--but after this year, no more. The Hurricanes will play at Dolphin Stadium starting in 2008, leaving the historic but decaying Orange Bowl in what university president Donna Shalala called "a painful and sad decision." University trustees voted to make the move Tuesday, despite the offer of $206 million by city officials to renovate one of Miami's best-known landmarks.[....] The city's stadium refurbishment plan was met with skepticism by some within the university, since much of the money would have come from grants and tax credits that haven't been secured. Shalala called the city's effort "extraordinary," but wondered if remodeling was worthwhile. "Is it appropriate for the University of Miami, a private university, to ask the people, the taxpayers of the city, to spend $200 million on 6 games a year?" Shalala asked. Ultimately, that answer was no. [....]
Not being an inhabitant of Alta Habana, I looked up various Wikipedia pages related to Dolphin Stadium[*], plus Marlins Park. Maybe readers who are locals can point out substantial flaws in my summaries:Associated Press 8/21/2007
CORAL GABLES, Fla.
[....] Miami football called it home for 7 decades--but after this year, no more. The Hurricanes will play at Dolphin Stadium starting in 2008, leaving the historic but decaying Orange Bowl in what university president Donna Shalala called "a painful and sad decision." University trustees voted to make the move Tuesday, despite the offer of $206 million by city officials to renovate one of Miami's best-known landmarks.[....] The city's stadium refurbishment plan was met with skepticism by some within the university, since much of the money would have come from grants and tax credits that haven't been secured. Shalala called the city's effort "extraordinary," but wondered if remodeling was worthwhile. "Is it appropriate for the University of Miami, a private university, to ask the people, the taxpayers of the city, to spend $200 million on 6 games a year?" Shalala asked. Ultimately, that answer was no. [....]
It seems as if U. Miami didn't want to play any more in that stadium, which had been built by the City of Miami during the Great Depression. "The U." was not willing to wait to see whether a "refurbishment" by local government, presumably using state "tourist-tax" funds, could or would be satisfactory. Could luxury suites be grafted in at a cost that'd be bearable? And if so, how marketable would such suites be among the Miami booster base? What plausible "refurbishment" would bring U.M. alums into the Orange Bowl from New York, New Jersey, Taxachusetts, Philly, or at least from more upscale places in Florida?
Meanwhile, Miami-Dade County seemed quite happy that there was government-owned land which would simplify providing corporate welfare to Jeffrey Loria: owner of the Marlins. Whose loyalty to South Florida was questioned, because of the way he flipped the previous franchise he owned: the Montreal Expos, into a purchase of the "Florida" Marlins. But eventually the local governments grabbed as much of the state "tourist-tax" funds as they could, and indeed demolished the Orange Bowl, then built a baseball-only stadium on that site for the Marlins. Those local governments corruptly or foolishly awarded (all?) extra income from nonbaseball events to the Marlins, even tho' the Marlins paid only $155 million (24.6%) of the total demolition and construction costs (including parking facilities), whose major categories total $629 million (not merely $525 million).
Up at the Dolphins Stadium, I see parking "$30 per car/truck/SUV" per game or other event.
I can't find any evidence of public transportation to serve what seem to be the predominately bandwagon-riding nonalum fans of the Canes. No transit directly to that stadium--nor even to Miami Gardens--from Miami's downtown or "Little Havana"; i.e.: not by any mode of the Miami-Dade Transit (MDT) system.
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Note *: Né Joe Robbie Stadium; soon not to be Sun Life Stadium, when the current naming-contract (they ain't "rights", d@#nit!) expires in January 2016.
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Are any of Miami, VT, and BC stronger now than when they were in the Big East? Miami - certainly not. VT - they've won a couple of ACC titles, but I think their teams from '94-'04 were better. BC - maybe no worse, but can't say they're necessarily better either.
They are all worse. Much worse. Just stop and think about some of the players and some of the big games that were associated with those schools before the ACC. And now think about who they've had and what they've accomplished since joining.
LOL. I would love that. Imagine the freak show that would be.
There are a lot of ACC and FSU fans that count ND as part of the conference in football. One wonders if they will continue to do so if ND loses this weekend.
Well, they are full time members in every single sport except football. They have a 5-game min deal with the ACC in football. So, it's not really ACC fans, per se, it's the reality of the deal that was made.
But they are not members for football. Yes, playing them counts in SOS calculations and overall win/loss. But for football, it is an OOC game. Beat them or lose to them means nothings, from an ACC perspective.
Don't be one of the dumbasses, Igloo. You are better than that
