They are discretionary as to whom they prosecute. Depending upon blue blood status.Well, it’s obviously fake because we all know the NCAA has given up enforcing anything…
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Except Florida. I mean UT passes out McDonald's bags of cash. Miami has Ponzi Scheme dude with yachts full of cocaine and hookers. Not much happened. Meanwhile Dan Mullen shows a basketball team the football facilities and he gets show clause and banned from Oregon? Like TF?Well, it’s obviously fake because we all know the NCAA has given up enforcing anything…
We self-reported. It's like having a police department that never leaves the building, and the only criminals that get arrested are the ones that turn themselves in. So naturally, those who are dumb enough to come in and confess will have the book thrown at them, so the cops have something they can point to and say "see, we are effective, look at all these harsh punishments".Except Florida. I mean UT passes out McDonald's bags of cash. Miami has Ponzi Scheme dude with yachts full of cocaine and hookers. Not much happened. Meanwhile Dan Mullen shows a basketball team the football facilities and he gets show clause and banned from Oregon? Like TF?
The NCAA’s enforcement (or lack of) of rules infractions is an absolute joke. Don’t get me started on this.We self-reported. It's like having a police department that never leaves the building, and the only criminals that get arrested are the ones that turn themselves in. So naturally, those who are dumb enough to come in and confess will have the book thrown at them, so the cops have something they can point to and say "see, we are effective, look at all these harsh punishments".
I wonder what we'd find out if someone like John Calipari at Kentucky were to be investigated?The NCAA’s enforcement (or lack of) of rules infractions is an absolute joke. Don’t get me started on this.
Nothing. The payola has always been in the loopholes. Alumni can't give Mom a cushy job? Then Auntie gets a cushy job, with the understanding that she really loves her nephew and is going to send him money. NCAA cracks down on Aunties? Then it goes to a cousin.I wonder what we'd find out if someone like John Calipari at Kentucky were to be investigated?
Ocala,"... But with this free agency and NIL crap, it seems silly and self destructive not to get involved in stuff that used to be against the rules, or in the gray areas, and start doing what everybody else has been doing all along. Only now it's OK and legal."
"The Charley Pell Mess".That's something I've been proud of as a Gator. Since the Charley Pell mess, Gator athletics has run one of the cleanest and above-board programs in the country, IMO. That was a priority for Jeremy Foley, and while there have been some minor infractions here and there, nothing major has come to light in over 30 years. But with this free agency and NIL crap, it seems silly and self destructive not to get involved in stuff that used to be against the rules, or in the gray areas, and start doing what everybody else has been doing all along. Only now it's OK and legal.
I think there were more serious violations than that, but I don't think there's much doubt that the powers that be in the SEC were trying to stop Pell from building the Gator program into a national power. In spite of his mistakes in which he fell on the sword for a couple of assistants that he trusted who had most of the violations, Pell has to be given credit for bringing Florida football into the big time and setting the stage for Steve Spurrier to be successful. Here are a couple of articles on Charley that are worth reading."The Charley Pell Mess".
What was it, 107 violations? Almost all of them were that we gave a hat or a shirt to a recruit. There was an accusation that we illegally scouted Mississippi State. Which makes sense, because, who doesn't illegally scout 3-8 football teams? That whole thing was a joke. Georgia was buying powder blue Trans Ams for running backs, and that was fine, but we gave out hats and shirts? Off with their heads!
The St Petersburg Times, which my parents subscribed to and I hated, was a leader in this witch hunt, and printed all 107 violations in their paper. I read them, and it was just "impermissible benefits" listed one after another. Yes, the players scalped their free tickets, not sure how that's the university's fault, all players at all schools get free tickets. There were allegations of scouting, but if you go to a practice that's open to the public, how is that illegal scouting? It's OPEN TO THE PUBLIC! Which is why teams don't really have open practices any more.I think there were more serious violations than that, but I don't think there's much doubt that the powers that be in the SEC were trying to stop Pell from building the Gator program into a national power. In spite of his mistakes in which he fell on the sword for a couple of assistants that he trusted who had most of the violations, Pell has to be given credit for bringing Florida football into the big time and setting the stage for Steve Spurrier to be successful. Here are a couple of articles on Charley that are worth reading.
The legacy of Charley Pell | GatorCountry.com
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The articles I attached above said that basically all the SEC schools were doing what Florida was doing or worse and some of them were put on various types of probation during that same time period. But the articles also say that Florida had a slush fund and was using it to pay players directly and that Pell lied to the NCAA investigators about that and other violations. Many times the attempted cover-up or lying about things can get us worse consequences than the acts themselves. The illegal scouting was against 6 other schools and whatever they did, they knew it was against NCAA rules because the coach who actually did the spying came forward and admitted it. We can't retroactively apply today's rules and standards to those of the past. Things have loosened up considerably from then to now in regards to recruiting, player subsidies, etc. I do remember one instance that's not cited when Galen Hall later admitted to giving a player from Palatka money to catch up with some child support payments to keep the kid from being arrested. That was a morally good thing to do, but against NCAA rules.The St Petersburg Times, which my parents subscribed to and I hated, was a leader in this witch hunt, and printed all 107 violations in their paper. I read them, and it was just "impermissible benefits" listed one after another. Yes, the players scalped their free tickets, not sure how that's the university's fault, all players at all schools get free tickets. There were allegations of scouting, but if you go to a practice that's open to the public, how is that illegal scouting? It's OPEN TO THE PUBLIC! Which is why teams don't really have open practices any more.
That whole thing was discriminatory. Others did worse with much lower repercussions. And that trend has continued since. Hall got reamed for nothing, Mullen got reamed for nothing.
That he’s not a very good coach.I wonder what we'd find out if someone like John Calipari at Kentucky were to be investigated?
Yes - He's done less with more than just about any coach in history, IMO.That he’s not a very good coach.
That player was Jarvis Williams, and Hall bailed him out of jail. Of course, he was jailed for failure to make child support payments, and the bail was the child support payment, so you aren't wrong. You just don't have quite the entire story.The articles I attached above said that basically all the SEC schools were doing what Florida was doing or worse and some of them were put on various types of probation during that same time period. But the articles also say that Florida had a slush fund and was using it to pay players directly and that Pell lied to the NCAA investigators about that and other violations. Many times the attempted cover-up or lying about things can get us worse consequences than the acts themselves. The illegal scouting was against 6 other schools and whatever they did, they knew it was against NCAA rules because the coach who actually did the spying came forward and admitted it. We can't retroactively apply today's rules and standards to those of the past. Things have loosened up considerably from then to now in regards to recruiting, player subsidies, etc. I do remember one instance that's not cited when Galen Hall later admitted to giving a player from Palatka money to catch up with some child support payments to keep the kid from being arrested. That was a morally good thing to do, but against NCAA rules.
Here's an article from 1984 that lists many of the charges. Again, probably not as grievous as those at some other schools at the time, but still not insignificant. And P.S. - I appreciate all that Pell did for the University of Florida and feel he got a raw deal from the UF administration and the NCAA. And his story afterwards is a tragic one.
The NCAA has charged the University of Florida football... - UPI Archives
The NCAA has charged the University of Florida football program and its boosters, including New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner, with 107 rules...www.upi.com
After almost 30 years the memory gets hazy. Thanks for the specifics. I had the gist of it right anyway. That's why I like to go back and read source material if I can on any subject, but especially those that are more than a few years old.That player was Jarvis Williams, and Hall bailed him out of jail. Of course, he was jailed for failure to make child support payments, and the bail was the child support payment, so you aren't wrong. You just don't have quite the entire story.
He’s that wife you can’t divorce.If I were limited to one word to describe the UK fan base, it would be “restive”.
Many fans, and I’m strongly leaning this way, think Cal and the program are in a state of slow decline. A week or so ago, one of our intrepid posters on Rupp’s Rafters posted a comparison of Calipari’ most recent five years to Tubby Smith’s last five years at UK. It was broken by overall W-L, NCAAT, SEC, Power 5, etc and the records were largely the same. Tubby left for Minnesota at the end of the ‘07 season, realizing that all the goodwill from his 98 championship was gone.
Frankly a good number of posters on the UK board are pretty much done with Cal and wouldn’t shed too many tears if he left / got fired. Problem is the lifetime contract with a buyout that’s reported to be over $50M.
Cal still has his staunch supporters, so it makes for some rather interesting discussion threads on Rafters.