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A ‘Black Tax’ Costs US Cities Millions They Can’t Afford

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Lets post another story for @BamaFan1137 & @EvilWayz so they can learn thet white racist apologists like them don't really get to set the agenda for black people

While they debate the merits of Derek Chauvin's defense or the political affiliation of Louisville's past mayors ... :rolleyes:

Black people are dealing of issues of racial inequality right here right now...

You know the racial issues Barney & Evilwayz can't bring themselves to admit to existing in America today...Institutionalized White Supremacist Racism



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...s-millions-to-borrow-on-wall-street#xj4y7vzkg

A ‘Black Tax’ Costs US Cities Millions They Can’t Afford​

Places like Memphis, where schools are crumbling, pay more when they borrow on Wall Street.
By
Nic Querolo
September 29, 2022 at 10:00 AM EDT


 
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There is a paywall. I completely agree that these schools should be able to borrow money at market rates and not have to pay a "risk premium", per se. If the federal government should back stop that as it did for SVB, then sure.

With that said...

These schools were given millions if not billions through the Covid-19 funding. What did they do with it? What did, for example, Newsome do with his surplus that was navigated by Pelosi?

Why were all of these monies spent on unnecessary covid-19 tests, vaccines for kids, etc. versus infrastructure and pay for teachers?

Why are they not pushing to shut down illegal immigration that costs these cities millions upon millions.

Ray - I would welcome a discussion where we the forum can come together on "yes, let's fix this part, but also fix this as well..."
 
I watched the video. A good, "fair" piece. Lenders should be able to explain "why" there is a risk premium beyond interest rates. The state, or federal government, should step in to remove any legitimate default risk premium.

See my other note on other items.

Now, inflation is also hitting these schools - all of these schools.
 
This really isn't an issue about COVID expenditures or anything about immigration
Its not referring to federal government funding at all

This is about municipal organizations raising money in the capital markets
General obligation bonds to do capital improvements to schools and city infrastructure

Taking into account for credit rating (risk) investors in the bond markets are assessing an additional
premium strictly because of the racial demographic of the bon issuer (borrower)

Its straight up racial discrimination...its factual and statistically verifiable

There is no role for the federal government to look into this...its simply investors (white) charging black
communities more for access to capital than white ones even when all risks are taken into account
 
This really isn't an issue about COVID expenditures or anything about immigration
Its not referring to federal government funding at all

This is about municipal organizations raising money in the capital markets
General obligation bonds to do capital improvements to schools and city infrastructure

Taking into account for credit rating (risk) investors in the bond markets are assessing an additional
premium strictly because of the racial demographic of the bon issuer (borrower)

Its straight up racial discrimination...its factual and statistically verifiable

There is no role for the federal government to look into this...its simply investors (white) charging black
communities more for access to capital than white ones even when all risks are taken into account
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:

1. It MAY be "systemtic racism". It is one person, not peer reviewed (I believe), not an economist (I believe) and who also has a clear incentive to find racism (i.e. the person is not getting air time on MSNBC without this finding, not getting DEI linked funding, etc.) then to debunk it.

2. In the notion of "free speech" it is important that this person research and raise it. It may indeed be true.

3. Agreed on who it is and why.

4. The general piece suggested, through proximity of events and correlation, that this borrowing premium is not allowing municipalities to pay for needed infrastructure improvements. At most, it contributes to it.

5. These municipalities, although perhaps not in Memphis received hundreds of millions to improve schools. Illinois as a state receieved $7.8B dollars. Not millions, billions.


6. These banks are regulated by the Fed. If there is systemic discrimination, there have been laws on the books since the 1960s to follow up and sue. Again, if what the researcher found is true, the Fed should activate. Interest rates should be set solely based on interest rate level and default risk.

7. At an individual actor level, it is of course possible, but I highly doubt that someone is purposefully trying to "spin the moustache" to raise interest rates. Very little upside for the individual, including Jamie Dimon, and a ton of downside in getting found out, fired at a minimum, or sued for millions / face criminal charges.

8. The municipalities also need to spend they have wisely. That has not been a hallmark of these organizations.

Now, back to #5, the unprecedented federal spending in the pandemic, led by the Democrats and yes, even argued by Trump to try to win voters has led to this inflation. Larry Summers said it and even Bill Maher said it last week.



This inflation is now greatly raising borrowing costs across the spectrum. To the extent that this debt is resetting, that municipalities, such as the one referenced in the video, may double if not more further starving much needed investment in these low income communities.
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:

1. It MAY be "systemtic racism". It is one person, not peer reviewed (I believe), not an economist (I believe) and who also has a clear incentive to find racism (i.e. the person is not getting air time on MSNBC without this finding, not getting DEI linked funding, etc.) then to debunk it.

You need to do better than just making up excuses grandhaven...

  • Its NOT one person
  • It is "peer reviewed"
  • It is supported by economists
  • The story has been covered by multiple media outlets & the subject of scholarly publication

I'm not sure how you could be more wrong


https://www.brookings.edu/research/...-discrimination-in-municipal-borrowing-costs/
Black tax: Evidence of racial discrimination in municipal borrowing costs
Ashleigh Eldemire, Kimberly Luchtenberg, and Matthew Wynter Wednesday, November 9, 2022

Municipalities with higher proportions of Black residents pay higher borrowing costs to issue bonds rated by credit rating agencies compared to other cities and counties that issue within the same state and year. These higher costs are unexplained by credit risk, more pronounced in states with higher levels of racial resentment, and robust to state-tax incentives to hold municipal bonds. The findings illustrate that racial bias can increase borrowing costs, particularly in states where racial resentment is severe. In time-series tests using presidential and gubernatorial election periods during which racial resentment has been shown to intensify, we find that the differences in borrowing costs also increase. Collectively, the findings illustrate that racial bias can increase borrowing costs, especially where racial resentment is severe.


https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Ashleigh-et-al_Black-Tax_27-May-2022.pdf
BLACK TAX: EVIDENCE OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN MUNICIPAL BORROWING COSTS*
Ashleigh Eldemire University of Tennessee
Kimberly F. Luchtenberg American University
Matthew M. Wynter Stony Brook University

May 27, 2022

ABSTRACT Municipalities with higher proportions of Black residents pay higher borrowing costs to issue rated bonds compared to other cities and counties that issue within the same state and year. These higher costs are unexplained by credit risk, more pronounced in states with higher levels of racial resentment, and robust to state-tax incentives to hold municipal bonds. In time-series tests using political election periods during which racial resentment has been shown to intensify, we find that the differences in borrowing costs also increase. Collectively, the findings illustrate that racial bias can increase borrowing costs, especially where racial resentment is severe.


EXAMINING THE ROLE OF MUNICIPAL BOND MARKETS IN ADVANCING--AND UNDERMINING--ECONOMIC, RACIAL,. AND SOCIAL JUSTICE
117th Congress (2021-2022)

https://journalistsresource.org/pol...s-racism-climate-change-aging-credit-ratings/
Municipal bonds: 5 studies on racism, climate change, aging populations and credit ratings
Covering municipal bonds may seem fun as chewing cardboard. But they can affect the social and cultural character of places people live. These five studies explore the intersection of munis, racism, climate change and more.

by Clark Merrefield | August 21, 2020


Racism

The Violence of Municipal Debt: From Interest Rate Swaps to Racialized Harm in the Detroit Water Crisis
C.S. Ponder and Mikael Omstedt. Geoforum, July 2019.

C.S. Ponder and Mikael Omstedt argue that glaring examples of racial physical violence in cities, such as police killings of Black men, “are often underwritten by more abstract forms of financial violence.”

They explore municipal debt as “a condition of financialized racial capitalism” by investigating the massive debt the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department had taken on by 2014. Ponder is an assistant professor of geography at Florida State University and Omstedt is a doctoral candidate at The University of British Columbia.

Financialized racial capitalism refers to financial situations or instruments, like municipal debt and bonds, with seemingly neutral elements — such as bond ratings and interest rates — that end up negatively affecting members of a particular racial group, through actions like water shut-offs.
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:



2. In the notion of "free speech" it is important that this person research and raise it. It may indeed be true.

3. Agreed on who it is and why.

I think in light of the fact that you haven't seen the body of work about this subject you would now agree that points 2 & 3 are not applicable

The subject is researched by many journalists, economists... and "who" & "why" is agreed upon
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:


4. The general piece suggested, through proximity of events and correlation, that this borrowing premium is not allowing municipalities to pay for needed infrastructure improvements. At most, it contributes to it.

What? I don't even understand what you're trying to say here...

Is your point that municipal bond markets is the process for municipalities to raise money so they aren't the problem?

You missed the point....municipal bond markets are the process and it unjustifiably charges black municipalities higher borrowing costs than white ones.

Should black communities simply be happy to be allowed to raise money at all?
Even if they're being racially discriminated against?


5. These municipalities, although perhaps not in Memphis received hundreds of millions to improve schools. Illinois as a state receieved $7.8B dollars. Not millions, billions.


COVID reliefs funds...or any federal government funding ...has nothing to do with the topic

This is about the municipal bond market racially discriminating against black cities

And you're seeming inability to admit that fact in the face of the data
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:



6. These banks are regulated by the Fed. If there is systemic discrimination, there have been laws on the books since the 1960s to follow up and sue. Again, if what the researcher found is true, the Fed should activate. Interest rates should be set solely based on interest rate level and default risk.

This isn't about banks regulated by the Fed....

Do you understand how the bond market works?

It has NOTHING to do with the bank system or the Fed
Rates are determined by credit rating and investor appetite
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:



7. At an individual actor level, it is of course possible, but I highly doubt that someone is purposefully trying to "spin the moustache" to raise interest rates. Very little upside for the individual, including Jamie Dimon, and a ton of downside in getting found out, fired at a minimum, or sued for millions / face criminal charges.

OK...we have our answer. You OBVIOUSLY don't know anything about bonds or financial markets

This has NOTHING to do with Jaime Dimon...

Get a clue about what you're posting about BEFORE posting 🤣
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:



8. The municipalities also need to spend they have wisely. That has not been a hallmark of these organizations.

That is captured in the credit rating...the creditworthiness (repayment history) of the issuer

Has anyone told you that you're actually a proof of the "Black Tax" studies....

You believe in a racial hallmark that is disproven by the data

Congrats you just proved the "Black Tax" point 👏
 
And ignorant people ignore the fact that these municipalities don't have bad credit per their credit rating

But it does show you empirically who supports racial discrimination and who benefits from it

That's just life in a white supremacist world
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:


Now, back to #5, the unprecedented federal spending in the pandemic, led by the Democrats and yes, even argued by Trump to try to win voters has led to this inflation. Larry Summers said it and even Bill Maher said it last week.


This has absolutely nothing to do with pandemic funding and/or causing inflation

(Pssst...its becoming more & more obvious you have no clue what you're talking about quit while you're behind 🤣 )


This inflation is now greatly raising borrowing costs across the spectrum. To the extent that this debt is resetting, that municipalities, such as the one referenced in the video, may double if not more further starving much needed investment in these low income communities.

Huh? You have no clue what you're talking about..take my advice and quit while you're behind

The only remaining question is why do you come in with a 8 point manifesto that shows your ignorance
on the topic in the face of empirical data?

Reads like a desperate attempt to defend racial discrimination at all costs even in lieu of facts

We have a term for that...white supremacist[/URL]
 
OK...we have our answer. You OBVIOUSLY don't know anything about bonds or financial markets

This has NOTHING to do with Jaime Dimon...

Get a clue about what you're posting about BEFORE posting 🤣
JP Morgan Chase is the #2 Municipal Bonder underwriter in the country.


Jamie Dimon is the CEO of that organization


Those are in part (or in full) managed by the Dodd-Frank act and the SEC.

You are correct in that I do not operate in sell-side finance nor do I hold any municipal holding (directly at least).

At some point, an intentional decision, a racist act, needs to be made as to why these municipalities need to offer a steeper discount on par value than interest rate or credit risk would warrant. There needs to be an individual or collective actors to do that.

Perhaps indeed that is happening. Per our initial exchange, the Bloomberg article was under firewall, so all I saw was the MSNBC video.

A set of your other comments are not appropriate nor acceptable. I will report those now.
 
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This has absolutely nothing to do with pandemic funding and/or causing inflation

(Pssst...its becoming more & more obvious you have no clue what you're talking about quit while you're behind 🤣 )




Huh? You have no clue what you're talking about..take my advice and quit while you're behind

The only remaining question is why do you come in with a 8 point manifesto that shows your ignorance
on the topic in the face of empirical data?

Reads like a desperate attempt to defend racial discrimination at all costs even in lieu of facts

We have a term for that...white supremacist[/URL]
Do not use that term on this site again. You are not going to get another warning. This is the last one.
 
JP Morgan Chase is the #2 Municipal Bonder underwriter in the country.


Jamie Dimon is the CEO of that organization


OK so let me make it simpler for you...

The multiple studies of racial discrimination in muni bond pricing do not specifically find the mispricing effect to be solely on the underwriter.

As a matter of fact the studies confirm the "Black Tax" effect without assessing individual market participant responsibility. Is the racial effect caused by the investors, the underwriters, the financial advisors of the issuers?

Could be one of them....or all of them.


Those are in part (or in full) managed by the Dodd-Frank act and the SEC.

You are correct in that I do not operate in sell-side finance nor do I hold any municipal holding (directly at least).

At some point, an intentional decision, a racist act, needs to be made as to why these municipalities need to offer a steeper discount on par value than interest rate or credit risk would warrant. There needs to be an individual or collective actors to do that.

Wrong. An intentional act is not required for something to be deemed legally racially discriminatory.

Since 1971 the Supreme Court has recognized "Disparate Impact" as racial discrimination and the US Congress affirmed that recognition in 1991. Most commonly applied in housing (Fair Housing Act), employment (EEOC), and personal lending cases (Fair Lending)...the "standard is the standard" as they say and is applicable to the municipal bond market

The collective actors are the investors whose racial bias is suggested as the cause of the "Black Tax" by empirically removing the plausibility of the other factors that would explain the discrepancy


Perhaps indeed that is happening. Per our initial exchange, the Bloomberg article was under firewall, so all I saw was the MSNBC video.

A set of your other comments are not appropriate nor acceptable. I will report those now.

I've provided the study that was presented... you simply have chosen not to read it

So here's your opportunity....You will find that ALL 8 of your "points" are refuted

(Save the point of litigation [point #7] since the purpose of the paper is to prove that the racially based mispricing effect exists. )


Black Tax: Evidence of Racial Discrimination in Municipal Borrowing Costs
Ashleigh Eldemire University of Tennessee
Kimberly F. Luchtenberg American University
Matthew M. Wynter Stony Brook University

Municipalities with higher proportions of Black residents pay higher borrowing costs to issue rated bonds compared to other cities and counties that issue within the same state and year. These higher costs are unexplained by credit risk, more pronounced in states with higher levels of racial resentment, and robust to state-tax incentives to hold municipal bonds. In time-series tests using political election periods during which racial resentment has been shown to intensify, we find that the differences in borrowing costs also increase. Collectively, the findings illustrate that racial bias can increase borrowing costs, especially where racial resentment is severe.
 
So lets begin with your first point....

1. It MAY be "systemtic racism". It is one person, not peer reviewed (I believe), not an economist (I believe) and who also has a clear incentive to find racism (i.e. the person is not getting air time on MSNBC without this finding, not getting DEI linked funding, etc.) then to debunk it.


It is NOT one person. There's a body of study dating back to the early 1970s. (Phelps, 1972; Arrow, 1973)

Unless you're going to make the blanket accusation that scholars for the last 50 years have been motivated by a "clear incentive to find racism" then your injecting your own clear bias in your characterization.

What should we call that?


Page 5 of the presentation pretty much puts an end to your misconcpetion that this is the work of 1 person, not peer reviewed, or the result of clear racially biased motivation of the researcher


"Our findings contribute new knowledge to a diverse range of scholarship on racial bias and municipal
finance.
We add to a nascent literature that examines the connection between race and municipal bond
prices (Bergstresser et al., 2013; Dougal et al., 2019).

Thus, we advance the municipal scholarship by showing that racial bias affects the borrowing costs of municipalities across the United States and that periods of heightened racial resentment can amplify the pricing penalties associated with Black residents."



Should we considered your first point 100% wrong and now closed?
Or do you have some argument to make about your first point?

If not lets move on to your 2nd "point"
 
Like I said before...
Given your initial misconception in point #1...your 2nd & 3rd points are rendered moot and pointless


2. In the notion of "free speech" it is important that this person research and raise it. It may indeed be true.

3. Agreed on who it is and why.



I think in light of the fact that you haven't seen the body of work about this subject you would now agree that points 2 & 3 are not applicable

The subject is researched by many journalists, finance professors & economists...
"What" & "why" is agreed upon

Any rebuttal from you on points 2 or 3? Or can we move on?
 
A few things, in a bit of different sequence:


2. In the notion of "free speech" it is important that this person research and raise it. It may indeed be true.

3. Agreed on who it is and why.

4. The general piece suggested, through proximity of events and correlation, that this borrowing premium is not allowing municipalities to pay for needed infrastructure improvements. At most, it contributes to it.

5. These municipalities, although perhaps not in Memphis received hundreds of millions to improve schools. Illinois as a state receieved $7.8B dollars. Not millions, billions.

Points 2-5 have nothing to do with the topic

Read all of the links and then comment...its NOT 1 author or 1 study, it is empirical, peer reviewed

COVID funding has nothing to do with the pricing effects of municipal bond funding
Especially when the majority of the data is pre-COVID
 
Since diddy seems to have runaway from his 8 points let's leave this here for his later (if ever review)

I guess other multiple reasons cxan exist for mispricing effects but systemic racism can't be one of those

:rolleyes:


https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Garrett.pdf
Conflicts of Interest in Municipal Bond Advising and
Underwriting*

Daniel G. Garrett†
June 2020
Current Version Available​

Abstract

This paper shows that conflicts of interest between financial advisors and municipalities prevent markets from delivering an efficient outcome. I study a regulation that prohibits financial advisors from simultaneously acting as underwriters. Using a difference-in-differences approach,

I compare bond issues with dual advisor-underwriters to other bond issues with independent advisors using within municipality variation. I find that bonds with dual advisors see interest costs fall by 11.4 basis points (5.3% on average) after the advisor is no longer allowed to serve as underwriter.

Even though this policy limits competition from the advisor,

I find an overall increase in competition for these bonds. I show that this increase in competition can be explained by the fact that, prior to the reform, non-advisors were subject to a winner’s curse because advisors were able to design bond that were less standard and lacked third-party certification. As an unintended consequence of the regulation, limiting asymmetric
information between underwriters increases competition and improves market outcomes.
 
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